Why not the piano as a reference for bass


I see a lot of commentary/reviews on a systems bass response that all seem to hinge on the 41 hz double bass and such range.  At 27.5 the A0 note on a piano seems a better point to judge.  Lots of piano in normal music vs say an organ note.  I know when I feel that deep chord played it is one of things I enjoy about listening the most!  Was listening to Wish you were here live and the piano was sublime.

So is it more of how much musical energy is perceived in the 40 hz range or what that makes this more of a reproduction benchmark?

I welcome your input!

New Joe Bonamassa out BTW!

guscreek

@billstevenson 

Beethoven was limited by the piano technology available during his lifetime.  It is interesting to speculate that perhaps with advances in technology perhaps a future composer will expand the possibilities of piano music yet to come

I recently bought Hyperion’s CD (no SACD available) of Marc-Andre Hamelin playing the opus 106 Hammerklavier Sonata.  According to the notes, during its composition Beethoven was given a Broadwood piano from London.  Like Viennese pianos of the time, these had a six octave range, but started half an octave lower at CC compared to FF.  The first two movements of the sonata use the higher range, the last two the lower one.

So it would seem that Beethoven did indeed compose for a future instrument, since no single piano he was aware of could manage all the notes in the Hammerklavier Sonata.

Similar thinking is behind the Stuart and Sons extended keyboard instruments, which have some other revolutionary features including a fourth pedal, which moves the hammer closer to the strings for really soft playing.  The strings couple to the soundboard vertically rather than horizontally, and transmit more sound energy than conventional pianos.  They are deliberately designed for a livelier sound than say Steinways or Bosendorfers.

The attack on a pipe organ on a really deep note takes time for the pipe/chamber to fill so the note comes on more gradually.

A synthesizer can play basically any waveform all the way down to subharmonic.  A subharmonic square wave with an instantaneous rise time is harder on the speakers that have to make the transition more quickly. 

I privately messaged Bill Stevenson, respecting his opinion on the latest Clavinova. 
All I can say is please let me know when you get to see a Clavinova at any one of the best concert halls in the world?? I will confidently say NOT IN MY LIFETIME!! Also, remember that yes, a synth can be programmed aimed to make subsonic frequencies, but what transducers can accurately reproduce them?? A 32 foot organ pipe will, even if you don’t hear the 16hz, your body will definitely feel it!! 
Wonderful discussion, but with many misunderstandings about the actual physics of the lowest frequencies. 

I cannot thank enough the person here ( i dont remember who) who recommended to use this small organ  interpretation of the Bach Klavier which is truly astounding : 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyGMg1GcqkU&list=PLaK8vS3Zo1ShbeZE1EZZi-6z6V3C0eRY6

 

@mahgister 

   It is a collection of various Japanese musicians, essentially a small orchestra.

Only reference I could find is someone named K. Hata.