Why is solid state more popular when tubes are better?


Yes tubes are more involved and require periodic maintenance. Hybrid tube components need not apply, these are really solid state.

Tubes are better for multiple reasons and yet the world and the trade prefers solid state. Those rare audio shops that are geared toward stereo listening and serious connoisseurs tend to Focus more on tubes.  Those in business who like to improve volumes tend to offer solid state.  All the YouTube channels looking to improve their business tend to be solid state.  Maybe because tubes require much more expertise to sell, and there's lesser and lesser to go around. Solid state is more of a fast food commodity.

Tubes are difficult for businesses due to all the maintenance and complexity so you see it less often. Much much easier to sell hybrids or solid state.

 

 

emergingsoul

Could you please enlighten us, not as to brands or products so much as to what traits those solid state amps have and what ICs/transistors they use? e.g., are there transistors that introduce the rich mellow sounds of even harmonics without other distortions? that provide the damping as to tubes? what other traits in the sound are you referring to? And what transistors/ICs are you referring to that must be at the heart of your systems? Any SS manufacturers that are generating a tubey sound must have at the core of their pre-amps and their power amps some unit that is identifiable across the board. Can you please help us with this?

I can, but you have to promise to follow along.

Here are the traits a solid state amp needs to have to sound nice and smooth like a tube amplifier:

1) it needs to have enough Gain Bandwidth Product to support the negative feedback the amp employs across the entire audio band. Depending on the gain the amp has, this value might be 10MHz to 20MHz.

In terms of what is measurable, this will result in distortion not rising with frequency, which is something at which most solid state amps fail.

2) the feedback must be applied in such a way that the feedback signal doesn’t get distorted before it can do its job. To this end, the base of a transistor or gate of a MOSFET isn’t a good place to apply feedback. For more on this see the writings of Norman Crowhurst. If the feedback is properly applied it won’t add higher ordered harmonics of its own, which is part of what makes solid state amps sound bright and harsh.

3) The non-linearities that cause distortion in the circuit should have either a quadratic or cubic nature, so distortion product tends to be lower orders.

This is obviously all engineering. Its doable. There are amps like this and unsurprisingly, sound a lot like a really good tube amp (actually a lot like real music). If you have any in-depth questions about the 3 topics I brought up, none of it is trivial and might require some study to sort out.

 

 

Tubes are like a girlfriend I once had - alluring as heck but a bit high maintenance. There were times I wanted to walk away but never did. She is now my wife.

Seems many comments above are talking about artificiality of solid state. Tubes introduce a more realistic Sonic impression versus scientifically created solid state transistor stuff. Tweaking all those electronics to get sound suitable for listening.

It’s no wonder why solid state has such a harsh reputation.

@jumia 

"Seems many comments above are talking about artificiality of solid state. Tubes introduce a more realistic Sonic impression versus scientifically created solid state transistor stuff. Tweaking all those electronics to get sound suitable for listening.

It’s no wonder why solid state has such a harsh reputation."

What a bunch of unsupportable nonsense. 

 

Tube integrateds and amps generally cost more for a given level of sound quality than comparable solid-state gear. And for a given amount of $$$ you can get more power from solid state than from tubes. If someone has a budget of say $15 to $20K for a system, they can "get more power for their money" with solid state and drive nearly any speaker out there.

But yeah, people simply love tube amps and the soundstage they can provide that few solid-state amps seem capable of so there is that.

I hope tube amps stick around for the long haul. People should always have options, nothing wrong with that.

In 20 years will people be having the same argument about Class A, AB, and D solid-state amps?