Sir Don, Making some kind of evil plans to get that exotic JVC. Me? I´m just a lawnlower. Well, of course I´m very interested in that jewel but really can´t afford it anymore. Besides, I´m still exhausted after the battle... ain´t young anymore. Maybe you should go for it and prepare for the battle. It will very hard but worth of every cent, I sure you ! Sir Tubed1, Do you mean the Bluz Brothers? I don´t trust ´em either.
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I guess the Acutex M312 is old news but just got round to trying mine. Right off the bat I like it! I guess with more hours it will change some, but it has "boogie factor" ? seems warmer and a little bass heavy compared to my more flat response cartridge models. Seems a good match for rock music. Anyone else like this model? How does it compare to the TOTL Acutex models? |
Raul,
Do you by any chance keep notes on the cartridges you audition? I ask because I have picked up a Mission Solitaire. I had/have it on my try to find list in which I have gleaned from this forum over the years. I can't get over how much it reminds me of my Garrott Bros. P77. I did a Audiogon forum search but turned up nothing. Not sure if I remember the correct search protocol but anyway for $45 and free shipping, quite a find! Regards, Don |
Dear Raul, A perfect speaker the best can do is to reproduce the signal with out degradation and there is no perfect speakers/rooms. Well I believe that the the sound of any system is primarily the result of the speakers and room interaction. So if you believe that the speakers are unimportant......it lends even further credence to your claim that you 'know' the sound of my system? Now please describe in detail....the sound that you 'know' so well. Here is your opportunity Raul, to prove your claims. I hope you are not backing down from this simple 'test'? We all know that the German audiophiles laugh at you and your claims....so please don't give them even more proof of your insecurities? For someone as confident of his abilities as you are......this is your perfect 'test'. Please describe the sound of my system on this Thread, Regards |
Dear Halcro, just a moment. Not ALL German audiophiles. Regards from Germany. Knut |
Dear Halcro: +++++ " So if you believe that the speakers are unimportant. " +++++
please don't post or imagine things I did not say.
I have to recognize your habilities to " runaway " from the main subject in your/mine posts:
" that the 7s are similar to the ANV ". Instead to prove what you said it and after my post where I pointed out some of their design differences you go for the " tangent " distracting everyone from the main subject.
I don't care whom laugh about me, a lot of ignorants did it and today support what learned through my opinions and experieces including you: remember about subs? or TT naked fashion? and several other audio suvbject including MM/MI.
Those gentlemans as you loves euphonic/distorted/heavy colored sound, not you or them can deny because trhough their systems and through their system changes confirm about along what all of you posted through the years.
To make that test you are suggesting I need more accurate and neutral " ears " that can confirm about.
In the other side how you or that gentleman can understand my explanation of your system distortions when both of you are unaware of them: not even have idea what I'm talking about and in the other side how could you understand what I have to say when you unknow my references/standards to compare.
We are at different step in the audio learning ladder and this is a disadvantage for you and for me too.
You was the one that posted that the 7s are similar to the ANV but you not said how is that or where are those similarities on its design. So you have no answer and your answer is not a response but another answer to a diffrent subject coming from a different post.
As I said: if for you the Signet 7s performs similar to the ANV then IMHO there is a " terrible " problem down there, no doubt about.
Please don't take all this so personal, we have to learn that no one is perfect and that no one knows everything about audio/music as seems to me you think you did/are.
Nandric posted: ++++ " why do you need to contradict Raul by each possible ocassion? " ++++
I know that you can't handle my overall personality and this fact is a huge problem for you and every time you can showed your " disgust ".
The time always put all in the right place where each one belongs. We will see.
regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Everybody knows what the phrase 'non speaking terms' means. The strange thing is that we all have the inclination to mediate, somehow convinced that this a good thing to do. Whenever I pick a fight with one of my 'beloved' sisters the 'mediation' of our dad consisted in a stroke for each of us. Back then I thought that my dad was a rough man but later that he was actually a wise man. There must be some verbal way to do the same as a 'mediation' between Raul and Henry? But the question is how can we get them to be on 'non speaking terms'? |
Travbrow, to avoid confusion, is your cartridge a long nose 312 lpm, or the short nose m312? |
Dear Halcro: +++++ " So if you believe that the speakers are unimportant. " +++++
please don't post or imagine things I did not say.
I have to recognize your habilities to " runaway " from the main subject in your/mine posts:
" that the 7s are similar to the ANV ". Instead to prove what you said it and after my post where I pointed out some of their design differences you go for the " tangent " distracting everyone from the main subject.
I don't care whom laugh about me, a lot of ignorants did it and today support what learned through my opinions and experieces including you: remember about subs? or TT naked fashion? and several other audio subjects including MM/MI.
Those gentlemans as you loves euphonic/distorted/heavy colored sound, not you or them can deny because trhough their systems and through their system changes confirm about along what all of you posted through the years.
To make that test you are suggesting I need more accurate and neutral " ears " that can confirm about, say: Lewm???
In the other side how you or that gentleman can understand my explanation of a system distortions when both of you are unaware of them: not even have idea what I'm talking about ( or at least never expressed something in that regards. ) and in the other side how could you understand what I have to say when you unknow my references/standards to compare.
We are at different step in the audio learning ladder and this is a disadvantage for you and for me.
You was the one that posted that the 7s are similar to the ANV but you not said how is that or where are those similarities on its design. So you have no answer and your answer is not a response but another question to a diffrent subject coming from a different post.
As I said: if for you the Signet 7s performs similar to the ANV then IMHO there is a " terrible " problem down there, no doubt about.
Please don't take all this so personal, we have to learn that no one is perfect and that no one knows everything about audio/music as seems to me you think you did/are.
Nandric posted: ++++ " why do you need to contradict Raul by each possible ocassion? " ++++
I know that you can't handle my overall personality and this fact is a huge problem for you and every time you can showed your " disgust ". No problem for/to me, you always are welcome.
Maybe the most valued experience for you, me and the Agon members is that you and me could have a live experience in both audio systems to learn both of us and understand what we are talking about, in specific what kind of distortions/colorations I'm refrering to. IMHO we have to live the experience to understand because by words is extremely dificult to explain and understand if we never experienced it. I would like to visit Australia some time and you are always welcome to my place any time.
The time always put all in the right place where each one belongs. We will see.
regards and enjoy the music, R. |
I know most of you tailor your systems to sound the way you like to hear our prized music. Its totally out of the box to proclaim whats right and wrong. And for how we hear just like our finger print different for each person on this blessed earth.
Sometime this intellectual world of i'm smarter, better, have the best on and on is out of the box. Who really gives a hoot all that really matters is yes i'm happy with my system and enjoy the music i am listening to.
And yes my vintage modern system blows up my skirt in a big way.
Ok all of you intellectuals get back to posting that vital information and give those valuable ideas on making our sound machines better maybe. Mike |
Dear harold-no-the-barrel: +++++ " but worth of every cent, I sure you ! " ++++
do you already experienced? or where came your statement?
I'm testing my X-1 sample with a NOS X-1 MK2 stylus replacement not the one that comes in the linked picture that's the MK1 version.
I have not yet a precise/clear opinion on the JVC other that's a good cartridge, I need more time comparing against the Pioneer PC-550, Precpt LC , ANV and the Phoenix. We will see.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Hi Acman, it is the long nose LPM. |
Mike, I could not have said it any better. This hobby of ours is the only way for we adults to be in denial that we are crazy. So let us continue to be in denial and just enjoy the music and see how far we can go. |
Let's not forget... After the vibrations hit your eardrum, a chain reaction is set off. Your eardrum, which is smaller and thinner than the nail on your pinky finger, sends the vibrations to the three smallest bones in your body. First the hammer, then the anvil, and finally, the stirrup. The stirrup passes those vibrations along a coiled tub in the inner ear called the cochlea
Inside the cochlea there are thousands of hair-like nerve endings, cilia. When the Cochlea vibrates, the cilia move. Your brain is sent these messages (translated from vibrations by the cilia) through the auditory nerve.
Your brain then translates all that and tells you what you are hearing. Neurologists don't yet fully understand how we process raw sound data once it enters the cerebral cortex in the brain. this is a big part of the equation |
Hi Audpulse, yes my friends don't understand my hobby, maybe think Im half nuts because of the amount of money I stick into it...But then I dont understand why someone would like to play with and collect electric trains, collect guns, spend money restoring antique cars, make their own beer etc.
I like being half nuts, helps keep me busy! ; ) |
Zenblaster that pretty much somes it up. Our ears are a miracle not even understood by those experts in the medical field. At 61 I'm glad mine or still delivering the music in a enjoyable way. I willing to believe the operation of our ears are different between each and everyone of us. |
Stiltrain, To be in accordance with what science already knows and what Zenblaster stated in short you should reformulate your statement as: the operation of our ears are the same by each of us but our brain interpretation of what we hear can be different. That is btw how you CAN enjoy the music in your own way. Think of a just born baby. Nothing wrong we hope with its hearing capability. |
Dear friends, precept 440 in the bay. US shipping only. But I can bid from Germany. Regards. |
Dear Stltrains: +++++ " I know most of you tailor your systems to sound the way you like to hear our prized music.... " +++++
yes, that's true and agree.
My audio system was builded and growing up according the changes in my ignorant level about main audio/music subjects and the mainmove/action/decision I took was when I decided to make system changes/up dates around not what I like it but what is " right " and wrong against live music in a near field listening experience.
All of us as a huge audio/music background ( I assume all of us are in continue touch with live music. )/experiences that are the ones that could give us which the " right " road/direction.
Some of the first questions were: what in an audio system makes that the overall system performance be so away of the live/recorded experience? how can I approach in better way the real experience? which changes/up dates could help about?
in those times I had no precise answers for those questions and the answers came through the time and trough a learning process by my self where was very important questioning if what I learned was " right/true " and if what I was accustomed to listen in my system was " right " or was simple that I like it.
Over that learning process I found out that in a home audio system " music quality performance level " belongs first how an audio system/room handle the bass frequency range ( bass management ) not to the mid range as I learned. IMHO this subject is the most important target in an audio system and IMHO is the most dificult target to achieve. Even not only in a home audio system but in any music hall design.
When I understanded that I started to work hard on that regards till I achieve a good system bass management with lower bass distortions than in the past: the system changes for the better was not huge for the better but " dozens "/hundreds steps forward to be nearest to that " right " system sound.
The bass distortions are the worst rubbish that can contaminate the system playback performance, to clean up in the right direction that overall bass rubbish gives always the best rewards you can have with any change/up date to any audio system and the rewards are not only to the bass frequency range but to the overall system widest frequency range you can imagine.
This understanding brought to me the addition of two active subs connected in true stereo fashion to my system and till now the more significant up date to my overall system quality level performance.
I had to learn about the use of subs in stereo systems for listen music and not for HT. Almost all I learnend were through first hands experiences in my system ( there is not much information about because subs never were items for listen stereo music but for HT or reinforce bass. Well, that's what I learned but was part of that wrong learned information we all have. ). If you look at advantages of adding subs almost no one makes enphasis in probably the main subs system integration advcantage: helps to lower system overall IMD/THD. Well you always can read here my findings about:
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1117893153&openflup&27&4#27
Before I took in count about that " bass management " subject I ask me too: where could be the weak links in the analog reproduction and how I can improve that analog reproduction. Was here where I understand for the very first time the critical/main importance to know how the cartridge signal is processed through the system analog rig.
Then I took in count that maybe the heaviest cartridge signal degradation " lives " inside the phonoline electronic stages during the whole process that the cartridge signal has to pass and was here when came to my mind how to improve it to lower at minimum that cartridge signal degradation.
I already had several experiences with different phono stages active and passive/SUT and what was in the market could not fulfil the cartridge signal needs. No SUT can, no tubes can so I decided to go for an active high gain SS full design builded and designed by us and that's where my today phonolinepreamp appeared.
En each one of those two moves/actions ( subs/phonolinepreamp. ) my overall audio life and the understanding of that changed for ever because I knew and know that a lot of past learned audio/music overall information were untrue or at least not oriented in the right direction .
All these kind and way of thinking brought to me that I must learn on all kind of distortions generated through an audio system and try to lower or " disappears " those distortions as a continue system target to be achieved.
Fortunatelly I never give up and I learned a lot about and I brought " things " at extremes.
After those first steps I followed thinking where I can make a " huge " improve to the cartridge signal and here is where appeared the Guillermo and I decision to design and build a tonearm that could fulfil all the cartridge needs with adding no distortions/colorations.
Fortunatelly we were lucky enough on the tonearm design and today I can say that we ( Guillermo and I. ) have the right " tool " that fulfil all the cartridge needs adding and loosing " nothing ".
Through my new learning process I took several other steps and all of them were and are to LOWER ANY KIND OF DISTORTIONS in an audio system.
Today I know for sure that it does not matters " what we like " if our audio system is or has " 100% " ACCURACY, FULL NEUTRALITY, LOWER LOWER LOWER DISTORTIONS/NOISE OF ANY KIND ( Even the ones that you are not aware right now because you don't identify as distortions but as part of the sound. ) you will like it, no doubt about.
Maybe some of you go to such improve/up date " extreme " actions, good because is the only way to know that in those recorded grooves there are a lot of music information that we are not abble to hear that we are not abble even to imagine is there.
The best music enjoyment through our each one system is not " what we like " but to improve each one system lowering any kind of system distortions.
Nandric, that audio learning curve that you diminished is IMHO the one and only one that can make a difference for the better on any home audio system quality performance level. How any one of our system can grow-up and be nearest to the live event/recorded only with the " I like it " target?.
Regards and enjoy the music, R.
Btw, sorry for the post to Halcro duplication, I try to edit it. The second one is the " one ".
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Hi Nandric, **To be in accordance with what science already knows and what Zenblaster stated in short you should reformulate your statement as: the operation of our ears are the same by each of us but our brain interpretation of what we hear can be different.**
What makes you say that? We know that people are born with many variations of what is "normal". Some ear canals are straight and some are curved. That's fact. Ear parts may not be like fingerprints, but I imagine there are numerous slight variations. What about hearing loss? It afflicts everyone in different ways. We all hear differently, at least to some extent. Regards, |
Dear Indierohre: Thank's twice.
Magic Moments?, good to brought the subject here. Apprecaited and I think that each one of us can enrich/name/add other MM over the years. Of course that each one of us have his own MM through our each one experiences and maybe this is the time to share it.
Btw, yes that " tiny " ( and I mean it. ) B&O MMC2/1 cartridge design is a " Fantastic cartridge " ( as you said. ) that till today I can understand why not many of us took the great opportunity to have first hand experiences.
Some could think that it can't compare against the Astatic or Acutex or Empire or even Signet/AT and the like but IMHO those B&O models are worth to own it and the good news is that we still can find out through bay and even in NOS here:
http://www.lpgear.com/product/BOMMC2.html
and if you need the universal adaptor you can find out through SS.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Travbrow, that particular 312 longnose is a rocker in a long line of 3XX Acutex Carts I want for comparison and contrast purposes. I'm still hunting for the LPM (lowest possible mass)headshell to complete the complement.
In another social experiment I attenuate a LPM 420 so I can really crank it up. As my rig stands now, I can't get it past 9:00 on both Volume Potentiometers. Still not broken it yet. Yes, it flies once again in the face of MC. Don't step it up. Clamp it down (10+db should do the trick!). Spend your hard earned bucks on other upgrades. Lower the 420 LPM output/gain to really enjoy those distortions. |
Dear nandric: I agree with Fleib. Read again the Zenblaster post:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++ After the vibrations hit your eardrum, a chain reaction is set off. Your eardrum, which is smaller and thinner than the nail on your pinky finger, sends the vibrations to the three smallest bones in your body. First the hammer, then the anvil, and finally, the stirrup. The stirrup passes those vibrations along a coiled tub in the inner ear called the cochlea
Inside the cochlea there are thousands of hair-like nerve endings, cilia. When the Cochlea vibrates, the cilia move. Your brain is sent these messages (translated from vibrations by the cilia) through the auditory nerve.
Your brain then translates all that and tells you what you are hearing. Neurologists don't yet fully understand how we process raw sound data once it enters the cerebral cortex in the brain.
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that means that the " signal " pass through a wide process and at each link in that process things can goes in a tiny or huge different way ( depends how or how much we are degraded inside. ) to each one of us, certainly no two one of us hear the same.
Not only is how that signal in the ears goes trhough that process but that our brain assoiate with that " signal sound " : experiences, feelings/emotions, knowledge on that past kind of sounds and many other kind of " inforamtion " that tame and give some kind of color of what we percieve.
The whole process is extremely complex and IMHO unknowed for any one of us.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Agree on that " brain interpretation ".....
R. |
Would the argument be something like:
It is not only 'how we [can] hear' or 'what we [do] hear' but 'how we interpret that': pleasure remains a personal issue dependent upon the interactions that inform that relevant personality.
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Travbrow, yes the Acutex 312 is a good rocker cartridge. It is not as refined, as you mentioned, as some of the better cartridges, including it's siblings the 315 and 320. It is the best $60 cartridge I have heard. Google acu tex bar for some info on the Acutex line. Pictures on page 4 are sweet. |
I think we all have hit upon why there is so many different opinions about what a piece of equipment sounds like. Lets take for instants a phono cartridge that has a slight rising mid range frequency. You give that phono cartridge to someone my age, let just say I'm a senior, who had a reduction in hearing in those same frequencies, well that person might just think that the cartridge he is listening to happens to have a very flat response. One persons speakers might sound bright to him, but rolled off to someone else. Think about how many Audio Technica cartridges that have been sold. There are people who refuse to own a Audio Technica because they are so bright. Do the rest of us just like pain? What I've said might be a little over stated, but think of it in much smaller incremental differences. We all have taste buds in our mouths to savor different flavors of food. If these buds were all the same, everyone would either love brussel sprouts or everyone would hate them. Take the Signet TK7's. It is obvious that we all don't hear that cartridge the same. Raul refers to it as distortions that are liked by some or disliked by others. I think it's more than that. I think different people actually just HEAR that cartridge differently! I like all Signets. I even like the AT440MLa! Regards, Don |
Dear Fleib, It is the other way round. What we call 'normal' is usually the case. Aka 'the majority'. What you call 'variation' other will call 'deviation' (from 'normal'). So what make me say 'that' is what is considered to be 'normal hearing capability'. The logic can't handle the quantifier 'most'. It is 'all' or 'nothing'. If just one of the members of a given set does not satisfy the given condition(s)the whole statement is not true. The other way to say the same is: exceptions confirm the rule.
Regards, |
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exceptions confirm the rule. Exceptions confirm the existance of a general rule, I don't believe they confirm it. Each of our hearing is as unique as a fingerprint. The 3 bones differ in size, shape and then it has to be processed through the cerebral cortex and then on to interpret an infinite degrees of pleasure or pain. This is also in a constant state of flux which is why we appreciate some music/sounds today that were not pleasurable 20 years ago. The same holds true for these cartridges. Perhaps it is only now that we can appriciate the music they bring. They sound the same as they always have but we have more mature hearing and tastes. |
Dear Raul, I have two Signet TK-7 LCa cartridges.....one with the 155Lc transplant and the other with the original Signet NOS line contact stylus. I have another TK-7SU and a TK-7Ea as well as a TK-7E. I have a TK-5Ea, a TK-5E and a TK5/155Lc as well as a TK-3Ea. If you cannot hear hear the distinct similarities between the AT-150ANV and the TK-7LCa.....then I believe there must be something wrong with your TK-7 sample......or else something is wrong structurally within your system? Or perhaps......you don't have a TK-7LCa at all??! Nor a TK-7SU? You merely possess a TK-7E with perhaps the No.1 stylus assembly (which in fact makes it a TK-5E)?
Of greater concern....is the fact that you can't hear the superiority of the FR-64S tonearm not the SAEC-WE8000/ST over your other arms.....and yet you think the Grace 940G is actually a fine arm?! Or the fact that you can't hear the superiority of the Micro Seiki RX-5000 over your Acoustic Signatures? And then there's the apparent inability to hear the superiority of the Victor TT-81 and TT-101 turntables over the TT-71? For these are no longer differences concerned with 'voicing' and 'preferences' as they are with cartridges. These are fundamental structural foundations of a high resolution system.....and perhaps this explains all your oft-repeated concerns about 'distortions' which....unknowingly....you may have more of?
As a friend Raul.....and without trying to be nasty or 'smart' in any way.....have you had your hearing properly tested by professionals recently? I don't even know if it's possible to test for the problems/differences that may be responsible for your differing senses....and if you're happy with your hearing, then so be it and please don't take offence. But faced with the evidence of your 'differences'........it may be advisable to accept that everyone hears differently (as everyone is already telling you).....and to perhaps resist thinking that your hearing is 'correct' whilst those around you are 'wrong'?
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Nandric as Fleib described not scientifically proven though as we can't know what everyones ear make up is but like height weight eye color skin tone color and on and on between all of us humans. Most certainly our ear make up between each of us is different.
One thing we all can agree with. Here on this thread we do love our music and truly nothing else matters. |
"We all got 'the same' hearing capability from the mother nature all the rest is nurture."
This first statement is untrue. All of us did not get the same hearing capability. All implies everyone and one exception renders your statement false. It's nonsense anyway.
"the operation of our ears are the same by each of us"
It's unclear exactly what you mean by this statement. If operation refers to the general way our ears function, it's true. If it refers to the function itself, it's obviously false. I cited two clear cut examples of exceptions of your words ALL, and EACH of US.
"If just one of the members of a given set does not satisfy the given condition(s)the whole statement is not true"
Your statements about ALL of hearing the same, are false. Regards, |
Regards, Halcro: Henry, seems you're describing similarities, perhaps the distinctions others tend to focus on are differences?
One hears, one sees.. Although visual acquity may be within the "normal" range, correction may be required. Hearing may test to be when the normal range, when the tinnitus subsides. Considering the remanding three senses, why would one ever think each has equal response to touch, taste or smell?
And Henry, you are quite bold in suggesting your TT-101 is a better music-maker than my $125 TT-71? -Piffle!
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Dear Halcro: Yes, the SAEC is better than the FR and yes I still think the Grace is a fine unipivot tonearm: so what. Yes, the FR is a faulty design: so what if for you is the penultimate design. Years ago I was proudly of my SAEC tonearms but today that's only an old history with no real foundation to be proud to own it other than a good looking item very similar to the MS TT.
I can tell you that I know " something " about tonearm designs, maybe you know something that I'm unaware about. Which FR design characteristics make that design so " wonderful " from your point of view?, I'm willing to learn and maybe I can use those FR characterisitcs in our own design: why not!Q.
MS RX-5000 vs AS TT. Please re-read my posts on the RX-5000 where I name it why is so poor design and poor performer against not the AS TT but against almost any TT. The RXs are for rockies, I was one of them but not any more.
Halcro, you don't know and have no idea what you are talking about, not only with the Signet/ANV or tonearms or the JVC TT but what you posted about the MS and AS TTs has " no name ": whom is your advisor/coach?, no don't tell me I know it.
Useless to go on on audio subjects that you can't understand due that you are unaware and has no experiences on overall audio system distortions that are surrounded you and your system.
The best of all is that you can learn ( as I did it and as any person do it. ) and I'm sure you will and then when you learned you will stop to " laugh ". This was exactly what happened with the subs and other audio subjects where you had similar opinions because you was ignorant in those times and unaware of what I was talking about but you learned those audio " lessons "????right?. Seems you did not even that now you are using subs when in the past you " laughed " about.
Please go a head enjoying your system " toys " while I enjoy my " distortions " and let the thread go on.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Fleib, The thesis was :'we hear differently'. My thesis is the same as yours: 'the general way our ears function'. What I wanted to point out is that our valuation of music is 'nurture' not 'nature'(aka the mother nature give us the same hearing capability). In this context I mentioned the Chinese opera. Henry added some other examples (gamelan). The different kinds of musical expression among humans do not imply different hearings capabilities. I.e. the Chinese hear in the same way we hear but LEARNED to value their operas. I learned to value and enjoy 8 kinds of volk music not because of my ears but because I grow up in a social enviroment where such kinds of music were performed. To put it otherwise it is our brain which recognize and enjoy music. The logic of quantification is like: 'for ALL (natural numbers) x+y= y+x ; x .y= y.x. We don't use this kind of generalisation in ordinary language. With 'all' we mean 'most'. Even by singular statements we use non logical way of speaking. 'Peter is tall' is not explicite based on comparison between persons in a given society but expressed as if 'tall' is personal property of Peter. I was considerd to be tall in Serbia but, alas, not in Holland. Despite the fact of being the same lenght in both countries. The grammar as it were simplify our way of speaking. For the usual sentence form 'S is P' there are 4 different logical 'readings'. Regards,
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Nandric, I fail to understand the logic of supporting your learned differences thesis with statements that are obviously false. Your use of words/phrase, like all, and each of us, in no way implies relativism. Then, when I present an opposing view you ask for a tautology supporting my opposition. This I could do, but I've already refuted those statements, and now it's unclear exactly what you meant. Our ears are transducers that convert sound to nerve impulses, just as a phono cartridge is, and converts mechanical energy to an electrical signal. Although the human ear is replicated according to a pattern, the function of individual ears varies. Due to differences in heredity, environment, age related hearing loss, I suspect we all hear somewhat differently, irrespective of brain function/interpretation. Regards,
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Raul, I've been using the PCN550ML stylus on an AT-15 body, with very interesting results. I normally use the 20SS stylus. It took a long time to break in or loosen up, seems like much longer than usual. Perhaps it was because I hadn't used the cart for awhile, but it still seemed like it required more patience. The sound went from the sweet natural sound of the 20SS, to resemble the TK10MLII. More live and real, but less forgiving is how I would describe it. Using this stylus on that body requires trimming off about 4mm on the rear of the plastic stylus carrier. Regards, |
Dear Fleib,'I have refuted those statements' or 'those statements are OBVIOUSLY fals' is not much of an argument. Imagine one ear medical specialist in China. If every single Chinese has different hearing capability there would be no way to state any 'general rule or statement' about hearing there. To be true in your interpretation he would need to examine all Chinese before he can make any general statement about their hearing capability. That is what logic of quantification imply. Wittgenstein invented this 'game theory' of language. Imagine Chinese 'language games' and the Chinese linguist (pre)supposed to do empirical investigations. After 10 years investigation in two provinces they would need to start once more because new games are used or invented in both provinces inbetween. That is why theories are stated as hypothetical while each theory must be stated as genearal otherwise it would be no theory at all. The logic of mathematics is not used in ordinary language btw. The quantifier 'some' is used as a name (in subject-predicate sentence form). Well the function of a name is to refer. But in: 'some(one) has stolen my car' the problem is, uh, obvious.
Regards,
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Dear Raul, you mentioned "100%" neutrality. How can you find out if you have reached this target? I only have the idea with a mastertape with for example chime sound compare it with the same on a vinyl source. Then perhaps again with a reference tone from Grand piano. This was testing method in the 80's for cartridges. Or compare the system to live music? But how?
And if the totl cartridges are all sound completely different in midrange and voices for me it is sure that only one can the nearest to neutrality. The others show colored sound maybe in way we love to listen to. Other way round all our top cartridges had to present a voice always the same. But they do not. So I think none of us has total neutrality in his system. One direction can be to invest in studio equipment, Neumann active studio monitors come in mind. There is also a fantastic Neumann preamp with endless studio features. This has only one target. To check the singers voice as it is. Regards |
Dear Raul, I trust your ear-brain combo, to use our usual vocabulary. That is why I bought the most of your recommended MM carts. Even the AT 150 ANV which btw surprised me with its compliance. With 2,2g VTF my specimen is not able to pass 60 micron tracking ability test.I hope this 'property' will imrove with function of time? However your logic is different matter. You can't agree with my main thesis ( brain interpretation) as well with Fleib who 'refuted' all my statements. According to himself that is.
Regards, |
Some added arguments for Fleib. The medical science state: 'smoking causes cancer'. I smoke for about 60 years and, lucky me, am still a healthy, thought an'older gentleman'. According to the logic of quntification my case refuted the above 'theory'(aka 'generalisation'). As I already mentioned there is no logic for the quantifier 'most'. But it seems to me to be obviuos that this is the assumption of the above thesis. The same method apply for what is considered to be 'normal' in other domeins. So if there is any notion or concept about 'normal hearing' my exampel should enlighten the 'why'. |
Dear nandric: I agree with you on the main importance of our each one " brain interpretation ".
IMHO the main differences between persons opinions comes from that " brain interpretation " that's " charged " of all those elements I posted and many others.
No, the ANV is not the best " tested " tracker, the champion there is the 440LC.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Fleib: I'm still working with the 550ML in a 440 cartridge body, I'm following your advise to give more playback hours. I'm not really listen it, I just put in use during my listening time with other cartridges.
Your today experience on it is very good and gives me a hope that the best is forthcoming because in theory the ML one " must " beats the LC: this is an AT " characteristic " in the past.
That " but less forgiving " you experienced could means more playback time. In the other side that " More live and real " is a great hope. We will see.
I would like to put my hands in a 550 cartridge body but seems " does not exist ".
regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Tubed1, there is a Saturn V LPM headshell at eBay right now. Don't understand what you mean regarding attenuating your 420 though? I have a 420, but I like the 312 better. Refinement is over rated!
Cheers! |
Tubed1,
I think that the revamped [Axelised] M420 that I own is sublime. Yet, if there is more to be had from this mammoth, I am literally all ears. What are you suggesting about loading and what improvements did you hear?
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Travbow, looks easy enough to build. Check it out:
http://www.rothwellaudioproducts.co.uk/html/attenuators.html |
Dear Nandric- 'smoking causes cancer' You haven't smoked enough! We will all die of cancer if we live long enough. This exercise might just seem like semantics but the care we take in our thoughts and opinions is directly related to the quality of the information we are sharing. It has taken awhile for me to understand what a lot of you guys are saying, I do not have the conventional science/engineering backgroud a good deal of you appear to have. I have been able to absorb a small part and it has opened my mind to possabilities in my own musical enjoyment. At first I thought I was going to have to spend several thousand dollars on a cartridge to experience the wonders of music that others on these sites talk about. I have been able to listen to great music that's very pleasing too me at a small fraction of my original estimates. I have been wrapping my head around "Raul's Paradigm" (distortion) and I can't refute it, eliminating distortion gets you closer to the "live performance" Thank you for always welcoming me to your community. |
Dear Zenblaster: +++++ " Perhaps it is only now that we can appriciate the music they bring. They sound the same as they always have but we have more mature hearing and tastes. " ++++
agree and I can add that today our audio msystem imrpoved, it's more " mature ".
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear friends: I would like to add some information that I read several years ago about hearing and hearing losses, I can't say for sure is is absolutely true or untrue. Here I come:
due to each one person brain information accumulated through all the years of our each one life and talking in specific about the natutal hearing losses ( not because a " problem " generated in our ears but the natural losses because of age. ) through the years the brain helps to that natural hearing losses syntetising frequency information. Something as what happen with the CD over/up sampling.
The editor in chief of the magazine FI ( remember it?, now defunct. ) had 100% unworking left ear ( dead as stone ) and he said was hearing in stereo his stereo system. He made it several reviews in that magazyne on top audio items and I can't remember of any owner of the items telling him the review was not reflecting the item real quality level performance.
So, question is: exist that brain frequency up-sampling characteristic?
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |