Dear Nikola
I believe you misunderstood my last few posts, so I would like to clarify.
You said:
“Chris suggestion to me to 'upgrade' my Usher BE-20 “
I did not say to do that – I specifically said in my post of that video “This represents just one person, one opinion among billions. Have no idea if they sound better than stock”.
For me to formulate an opinion on something, I need to hear it for myself for a period of time otherwise I have no opinion at all. I was simply implying that “anything” is possible in this lunatic hobby even if it sounds ridiculous to someone. Example - Nandric would never consider modifying his speakers ......... doesn’t mean it can’t or hasn’t been done.
All I did in your own words as a lawyer was to show the court “evidence” through the use of internet technology.
Nothing more or less.
Hope your having fun – I am.
Cheers Chris |
Dear Chris, Thanks for your notice. I was so focused on my own arguments that I even forget about the holyday which means in Holland purchases for 3 days. I will never ever again start any dispute with Lew. In surch for more arguments I have just seen a video with Joseph D' Appolito and some impressive speakers in D'Apolito configuration. Then I remebered that he was involved in production of my BE-20. But more interesting is HIS suggestion (by implication) for the possible modification of my speakers. I would need a second midrange in , of course, D'Appolito configuration to get added dynamic capability to the already impressive one in 'as is' state. Despite of possible reaction from the beauty next door. But, to be honest, I expected from you some questions about my aunt Natalija and her posibble connection with my uncle Boris. Well she is his ex while their divorce was coused by his categorical refusal to let her touch any of the 4 ADC parts. Even worse she was not allowed to solder the special capacitor which he got, as he called this, from the 'mother Russia' meant for him specifically. Both things, sorry , 'riches' were wrapped in the real Russian paper but (alas?) also contained the real Siberian oil with very strong, uh, odour which was bearable only for a real connoisseur. My aunt Natalija used the argument of 'marry on equal terms'(aka collective ownership) but uncle Boris was not impressed at all. He lost his wife but he got fantastic 'treble' from his 6dB crossover with the Russian capacitor of small value in technical terms but huge value in the emotional kind.
Regards, |
Regards: All this talk of tweaking, Aunt Natalija and Uncle Boris might be interested in this material I've recently found, F.U.R., or Found Under Refrigerator. My audiophile cat, Pi' Sant, is the producer of this marvelous substance, seemingly in inexhaustible supply.
Collected with proprietary vacuum attainment procedures, when applied in sufficient amounts to the stylus, friction is totally eliminated and even the most damaged Lp plays in total silence. When collected specifically from the evaporator unit, cyrogenic benefits are obtained without exposure to the concerns of helium boil. Liberally applied to the cavities of one's amp, when it becomes sufficiently heated the thermoregulation benefits produce smoky female vocals, hotter hfs, and one will burn CDs as never before.
As Pi' Sant is a tortoise coated cat, coloration is blended, ground hair is ample for the reduction of static. Ears (and furniture) will be pelted by the genuine homozygous recessive nature of Pi' Sant's guard hairs when used as acoustical absorbers in Boris and Natalija's listening room. Liberally infused with the agouti gene, A/a chromosomes guarantee correct coding for signaling proteins. Although one may not hear it immediately, when used as insulation in speakers there is proven elimination of the agouti shift phenomenon.
When collected in sufficient quantities, one can fashion room treatments that will "weave" texture into your every listening experience. Coming with the "seal" of PETA approval (Prof. Ecological Treatment of Acoustics), one "otter" hear it.
Cost effective, I'll ship Aunt and Uncle a tightly packed vacuum bag full of this 100% organic treatment for only $25, add 3% for PayPal. As a bonus, any small change inadvertently collected is free. Hairballs are available at an unbelievable price of only $4 each, shipping is free and there is a substantial discount if you pick them up in person. Limited supply, act quickly.
Peace, |
Nikola/Timeltel(Professor) - two of the funniest back to back posts I think I have ever read here. LOL !
Cheers |
Regards, Ct0517: Stay tuned for next weeks episode when Professor Peabody reveals to Sherman why Boris' ADC parts were off limits to Natalija, or, why Boris will always be, but poor Natalija is no longer Gudenov.
Peace, |
Dear Chris, Sorry but I disagree. Herr Professor story can be grapsed only by those with the academic degree in something while my aunt Natalija and uncle Boris are the real 'socialistic stories for all the people'. This is the so called true 'socialistic realism '. Art for the people is the motto and not the art for the decadent bourgeoisie only. His way of thinking and talking is from before the revolution while my is from thereafter. So he may be also called a 'renegate' an expression which Lenin himself used to disclose the 'class enemy'. Timeltel with his cat. Come on please.
Regards, |
Dear Nandric, I'm late to the party at your aunt & uncle's, but a closer investigation of the iconography of the Rocky & Bulwinkle cartoon will reveal the western corollary to your social realism. Please investigate particularly Mr. Big, who is sighted occasionally on this forum. |
Hello all im one of those hands on guys. As mentioned ditching most of my high end gear and going vintage has been a true revelation like our favorite MMs. Im useing vintage Fisher gear and bringing components and connections into the 21st century has improved an already first class sounding collection of equipment.
My amps consist of models 30a 80az and I am just starting a new project my dream amps 200a. A 400c preamp rounds out my vintage gear. When renewing 400c I added several slightly different eqs to the phono section for my moving magnet collection. This was about the only changes/mods to the preamp and amps as keeping circuits like designed by fisher engineering has been very enjoyable to the ears. Mated to my modern speakers and turntable I am in a very happy place.
May all of you have a Happy Easter Mike |
I was feeling bad for perhaps being too harsh, Nikola, but your responses were great fun to read. So thanks for your sense of humor, Balkan or otherwise. FWIW, I do not much care for parts swapping. I take much more pride in thinking up ways to change the circuit to make it sound better (or to make me think it sounds better, which is really not different).
Siltech wire: silver/gold, treated "in the hot way" and "in the cold way", for $6000. Ya gotta love it. Mr. Siltech is probably driving around in a Bugatti Veyron, as I write this. |
Dear Lew, I told this story about the German king whose treasury was nearly emty. BTW 'kings treasury=state treasury'. Because of the 'gold standard' there was no way to use the printig press for the purpose but the king was well educated which means (in Germany) that he was familiar with the German phylosophy. So he learned from Hegel about difference between quality and quantity as well about the possibility to turn one in the other or the other way around. But it was his own idea to appoint 100 alchemist with the kings order to turn lead which was abundant in Germany into the quality of gold. Alas he discovered that the mentioned Hegel's theory was false. So he dismissed all 100 alchemist which were forced to look for or invent some other job. That is how the art- or the profession of metalurgist started. They become very succesful , some more then the other as is usually the case but those from the Nord and from the Ost were without any question the most sucessful. They were even able to fulfil the alchemist dream although the substance in casu was copper. This substance is 'turned' into wire with all kinds of believable and onbelievable qualities and sold for 4x the value of gold. There is no way a Dutchman will miss such kind of opportunity. Besides the Dutch also discovered that production instead of trade can also be profitable. You may be interested to know that there is also Mrs Siltech. The same trade but different phylosophy. Not exactly 'crystal' clear but based on your science. I alas forget the name of this medical approach but the 'essence' is to use as little of whatever medicine as possible. The first 'minimalist' approach that I know off which seems to be more succesful in the audio- then medical field . Probable because of the involved industry which phylosophy it is to sell as many drugs as possible. Consequently the wire of Mrs Siltech are very thin but presented in a unbelievable original and beautiful way. They are primary bought for the looks and secondary with the hope that they will sound decente. The name is 'Crystal' while the phylosophy is crystal clear. Then dear Lew you are obviously not familiar with the rich : they are more interested in yacht's than cars. The bigger the better. Anyway I wish that Mr. and Mrs. Siltech were my uncle and aunt. Sorry Boris and Natalija.
Regards, |
Dear Dgarreston, I certainly am not willing to provide Dgob with ammunition to shot at me. Only my English should be available to him for critical remarks. But my upbringing is such that I feel obligatory to answer your post addressed to me. Well I am sorry to admit to have no idea who or what 'the Rocky&Bulwinkle' are while I have only a vague idea about the 'iconography'. Something connected with the Greek orthodox religion and present in each and every church in my native Serbia. But I was educated in the spirit of the scientific materialism as formulated by Marx so it was 'not done' in my youth to visit any church whatever. So those 'icons' I have seen only on the pictures or paintings but they belong obviously ,as part, to the the so called 'opiate for the people'. If I remember well Marx definition was different (Opium des Volkes) while the quoted one was formulated by comrade Lenin. His German was probable not as good as his French. This btw is typical for the Russians : they refuse any logic whatever. Only interested in the German phylosophy but learning French or study mathematics, physics , biology or wharever and then become writers. This has something to do with the French enlightment which was somehow connected by the Russian with the literature. So the dream of every Russian intellectual is to become a second Tolstoj or Dostojevsky. They are willing to die for this aim.
Regards, |
Was my dream too, in college, to become Dostoyevski. In medical school, I lived in a basement apartment by myself, in the Bronx (blue collar part of New York City). I hated medical school in that year of my life, but I did not wish to go to Vietnam, and so I spent much time writing poetry. I thought of myself as the "Underground Man", probable mensch in German. One of my oldest friends recently reminded me that during that period I sent him a poem I had written entitled "On being in the Bronx when spring comes to it". (Sadly, he remembers the title verbatim but not where he put his copy of the poem.) I of course have no recollection of that poem and would love to be able to read it now so to discover what I was like, then. |
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Dear Albertporter: Very nice looking. Btw, what happened with the similar high output model, do you bought it?.
I own/owned both and I prefer the HO by a hair, could be interesting to know opinion from you. It is not often that the same person owns both models.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Lew, I am really sorry to hear your story. So actually Dostojevski and not Sartre is the 'cause' for your existentialism? My conclusion after reading the 'Underground Man' was that Dostojevsky was mentaly ill. At a similar age I was convinced that all my dreams will become true. The most of them are but probable because my dreams were modest. I don't believe that this is a paradox but there are advantages in being born in a poor country.
Kind regards, |
Dostoyevski and Kierkegaard. Later, Sartre. Albert, I am green with envy that you got that Stanton. Darnit! If you hate it, please keep me in mind. I have not been watching Audiogon for that gem. I gather you have not got your Mk3 back from Bill. |
Dear Nandric, for some American youth of our generation Dostoyevski's underground man (and in general the Russian flavors of alienation) resonated more than Sartre. (To this day when it's a struggle to get off the couch I think of Goncharov.) The underground man is in a rough line with Salinger's Holden Caufield and Heller's Yossarian(who like the underground man begins the story with metaphorical liver pain.)
Lite punning on Godanov above took me back to the pop art of Rocky & Bullwinkle. This adult cartoon put a clever spin on american idealism vs. cold war peril as exemplified by Boris Badenov and Natasha Fatale(perhaps distant relatives of your Aunt N and Uncle B.) as slavic spys for the mastermind Mr. Big(who always appears as a tiny midget with a flashlight aimed at himself to cast a giant shadow on the wall. Perhaps the web presents such a flashlight... |
Nikola would love Rocky and Bullwinkle, I think. There is a pretty good movie, but the original cartoons are better, Nikola. I bet you can find some on Youtube. |
Bullwinkle and Rocky show – Note the number one and two stars Nikola.
DG – Mr Big here at audiogon ? You have me curious. Does he have a 3 or 9 letter moniker. Nikola – you said. “Timeltel with his cat. Come on please” Be careful what you say about cats, dogs and other pets in North America. They hold special status. It’s a known fact that wives value their cat and dog much higher than audiophile husbands. Pets aural abilities are well known here. Superior to humans. Just look at how many people post pictures of pets on their virtual systems. In some cases these animals are sound advisors. Some voice their systems based on how the cat and or dog reacts to component changes. My 12 year old black Labrador retriever (that’s 90 in human years) is not allowed in my own private room due to the shedding of hair and drool. But in the other shared room he will come in and lay himself down in front or behind the speaker (they are dipole), if the vibes are nice. Lately I notice he is fond of Kate Bush’ – Aerial. It’s the utmost compliment to have your pet enjoy tunes with you - IMO - Everybody with a cat reading the professors post about Pi' Sant probably pissed their pants in laughter before they could get to the can in time. |
Dear Lew, I was very intriqued by Dgarretson literary contribution and just started looking on iternet for his references. I also thought to write to Natalija and Boris that their 'characters' are already familiar in the USA but I would never even dream to connect them with espionage. Such kind of insinuation they would never forgive me and even refuse to accept the 200 Euro which they get from me each time I visit them (any idea how many family member I have there?). BTW uncle Boris asked me if I can find any musical work on LP with only the frequencies above 2500 Hz. He wants all his friends to hear his tweeter with the Russian capacitor in all of his glory.I deed mention the 'keynots' but he was not impressed. I am, I think, in big trouble . However I bought the ADC 25 for Natalija despite the fact that she owns no TT at all. I grow up between women as the only male in the family so I know how they think. I am sure that she will let Boris know about her own ADC onderlining the fact that she got the 'new one'.
Regards,
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Correction fwiw - A 12 year old dog is 84 in human years. My bad..Either way if I make it to that age and am only drooling and losing hair I will be happy. |
Dear Chris, You are only quasi Balkanes. You may have some DNA from there but you was never there. Otherwise you would know that cats are meant to catch the mouses and dogs to keep the thieves on a safe distance. We don't eat eihter so there is no other job or function for them. BTW it is at present very difficult to get a job even for the humans.
Regards, |
Cr0517, Nine letters is about right. It must be noted that the diminutive Mister Big was rarely sighted apart from association with Fearless Leader. Boris Badenov(whose qualifications included a degree in Scoundrelship from USC(University of Safecracking), seemed to report to Fearless Leader, the dictator of the rogue country of Pottsylvannia. Fearless Leader's germanic colloquialisms suggested Nazi credentials channeled through post-war GDR. Fearless Leader in turn either consulted with or reported directly to Mr. Big, whose russian mien suggested the role of soviet party chairman.
The forum analogue to Mr. Big is known to surface infrequently, with or without entourage en croute, but more frequently by proxy through factotums. |
Regards, Nandric: Have received my proletarian cart, the two coil Stanton 500EE-11. Still debating the vivid line or JICO styli for upwardly mobile status. There is, elsewhere, a report of pretensions to class elevation through the retipping by Expert with a paratrace stylus.
The bourgeois XV-15 cart/D750 stylus is breaking in very nicely, the hfs are smoothing out and the bass bloom is receding, low bass is taut. Its midrange voice reminds me that Norman Pickering was a well respected violinist. The XV-15 has the potential to elevate to the upper class through the acquisition of either the D1800S (stereohedron) or D2400Q (quadrohedron) styli, but here there are capitalistic issues, the concern is basic need vs. elitist want. There is an informative Stanton/Pickering thread running on the AK forum, one even more so at Lenco Heaven, from which I gather there are 130 various styli to select from.
Pi' Sant informs me that as I'm merely a thick-skulled human and prone to humor of the frivolous kind, also too slowwitted to respond to the comments of my intellectual superiors, of which she assures are legion. She is familiar with Orwells "1984", her greatest impression was that of steel capped boots striking the pavement and as she is a rather long tailed cat prefers avoiding such, as well as rocking chairs. In a rare departure from her feline dignity, she also assures me that if I persist in political discussion she will sh, err, shed in my middle most shoe, for others the one on the extreme right or left, as appropriate to political persuasion. I naturally wish to avoid this.
For those considering the low impedance series of carts, Pickering UK offers XLZ-3500 & 4500 carts and replacement styli, the 981's twin (to the best of my knowledge), the XLZ-7500, is no longer available.
Pax, |
04-09-12: Lewm
Albert, I am green with envy that you got that Stanton. Darnit! If you hate it, please keep me in mind. I have not been watching Audiogon for that gem. I gather you have not got your Mk3 back from Bill. The seller have more of those Stanton in stock. He is in Netherlands and accepts PayPal. Yes, the MK3 is back. Please read in my system thread. |
Dear Timeltel: ++++ " from which I gather there are 130 various styli to select from. " ++++++
now I can see what move you more. Like with AT/Signet the Stanton/Pickering is a good toy for interchangeability not only between both lines but in between.
Maybe that's why you don't buy yet the Astatic MF-300 that appears frequently from the same seller on ebay: Astatic has not that versatility but I can tell you that even the top Stanton/Pick/AT or Signet could have a very " hard day " against it on quality performance level and of course Axel always is a good option to MF-300 up-grade.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Albert, how can I contact the seller of the Stantons? Thanks in advance |
Hi Albert,
Ditto for me and does have the any high output ones?
Thanks,
John
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Dear Professor, I need to apologize for calling you a 'renegate'. The problem is that nobody knows what comrade Lenin exactly meant with this expression except that he was against someone. Thanks to the circumstance that Serbian (actually Serbo-Croatian but you know about Croats) is my first language which means that I know all Serbian words + the imported kinds I am well able to give the Serbian description:' worse than a Turk'. The Serbian imaginaton of bad things has of course some limits. Those that were even worse than Turks were Serbians who become Moslims, probable for some pragmatic reasons, but by such an act they committed the sin of the betrayal of their 'own' religion. I wrote 'own' with quatation marks because the religion in casu is actually Greek religion while the Greek themself are selective in what they are willing to accept or not from their neighbours. Calling your country Macedonia and stealing their Alexander by implication is not acceptable but no problem at all with stealing their religion. Anyway it should be obvious that the term 'renegate' is of religious nature. On the other hand I already mentioned Lenin's definition of religion:' opiate for the people'. So it should also be obvious that someone who is Marxist-Lenininst will never use any religious term whatever. They have their own Marxist-Lenininst vocabulary. Now consider this terminological problem in the(former) S.Union. In a collective society there is also the collective gilt which means that one is also responsible for the others so one was advised to watch not only his family members but also friends, comrades, acquaintances and more in particular the neighbours. This all without any clue what 'renegate' means except the 'class anemy'. Hoever everybody was aware what being called 'renegate' meant: 15 years Siberia if one was lucky.
I hope you will accept my apologize and because of your proletarian shopping (cheap Stantons ,etc) I intend to recommend you for the party membership.
Regards, |
Dear Timeltel: I can see that like with the AT/Signet the S/P alternative gives a lot of fun: ++++ " from which I gather there are 130 various styli to select from. " +++
is this what moves you to be behind these cartridges?. I ask this because someone like you that like quality performance over other parameters don't try yet to get the Astatic " magic " and I wonder why . Today the Astatic ( MF-300 ) is still available ( NOS at very good price. I think we have to get it whiule it last. ) ) and IMHO worth to own with the perspective Axel's up-grade.
I don't heard the 500EE/XV-15 ( only the 981s. ) but for what other persons reports here on the Astatics and for what I heard those Astatics are a little better and I mean over the 981s.
Anyway, only " thinking " about.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Regards, Nikola: If possible, I'd prefer retaining the "renegade" description as I fear that, although honored with the nomination, party membership might result in being placed on a committee. Then I'd get nothing done at all. :-)
Carts are interesting little devices and I've learned a lot by cart selection via the buffet mode, "I'll have some of this, and more of that". The XV-15/D750 is performing much to my satisfaction. Good soundstage but not excessively wide, stable imaging, layering is deep but not as tall as some. The Pickering is moving more to the front of carts in rotation. Eventually, a stylus upgrade is likely but for the time being it's pretty good for a $2.00 cart.
Peace, |
Sorry Professor but Lenin used the term 'renegat' (or renegaten) to dismiss Kautsky. I am aware how you use quotation marks but 'renegade' will not do. I study Kautsky ,Liebknecht (what a name for a Marxist) ,etc, German Marxist till I come Rosa Luxemburg across. I thought that this was an alias as Lew's Kirkegard was used, uh, to use. If I remember well 16 different names, while everyone in Denmark recognized his writings strightaway. It's a pitty for the the time invested in inventing all those names. Anyway when I discovered that Rosa was a real women I lost any interest in German Marxist. As I already mentioned there is no way to organize any society without the division of labour. So cats have one kind of job, dogs some other and women also. The women are not suited for the revolution with the aim of brotherhood between the workers because they alway put their family (or clothing) in the first place. The mother, the brother, the sister, etc, with the father as nr. 15 or 16. Despite of this ordering they pretend as if they actually put their husband in the first place. Come on. My both sisters told me that I am 100x more important to them then their husbands. So dear Professor you are not a 'renegate' according to the Serbian interpretation. You are not a Serbian who become Moslem and is as such a betrayer of the Greek orthodox religion.But if you prefer to retain the 'renegade' you have my blessing.
Regards,
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Regards, El Diablo (Grin): Watching the Asatic for the fifth time, will probably continue to vacillate until it's no longer available, then regrets. The XV-15 is not the be-all/end-all of carts but it is a very honest, "true to the recording" cart. Punchy. Considering D2000Q stylus (quadrahedron, 4 channel) or JICO Shibata. There's also currently a tempting 881S offered at a very reasonable B.I.N., a C.A. Virtuoso up for bid too. Must remind myself, "patience".
Without having yet heard the 500EE, with it's excellent (for a two coil cart) specs, the probability of the Asatic 300 being a better cart is accepted through it's numerous positive reviews. Anticipate the 500 performance to be in the neighborhood of the Shure M75E T2, a most entertaining cart & will be happy to add it to my collection. Unearthed a 3-5gm VTF conical stylus in my kit, will audition it soon on a sacrificial Lp. The Astatic will most likely join the ranks too, your recommendations are not without influence.
In the continuing objective of increasing knowledge concerning these largely vintage pickups, I appreciate reading the comments on other Pickering-Stanton carts. The stout cantilevers are more capable than they appear, light & rigid, special coatings. I'm about to conclude that W. O. Stanton & Norman Pickering knew their business.
Peace, |
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Dear Jorsan/Jbthree: I think that may be could be a better alternative to the 981/980s to buy a similar motor Stanton cartridge and then send to Axel to a cantilever/stylus up-grade. IMHO this alternative can outperform the original one if for no other thing because the suspension " refresh " when cantilever/stylus is up-dated. Now, you not only can achieve a better quality performance but with less money.
Today and after several first hand experiences I'm for the vintage cartridge up date, till today every single cartridge I made the up date performs not different but way better: Acutex, Virtuoso, Dimension 5, etc are a good example.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
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This vendor has quite a range of rare vintage styli as well... but at prices that make a top of the line Ruby retip look like a very reasonable economy option! |
Raul, thanks for the tip. witch models have similar motor? I can try both and decide wich one si better to my ears. |
Dear Jorsan: I think that Timeltel or Dlaloum could help you in a better way than be on that " motor " subject.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Albert,
Thanks for the link, it's a great resource.
John |
Albert, would you share with us how do you configure the 981LZS in your arm and preamp for optimun results?, thanks |
Regards, Raul: One less Pickering XLZ-4500. http://www.pickeringuk.com/hifi.html. Diamond Stereohedron Output 0.33mv (MC level) Frequency range 10 to 50k Tracking force 0.5 gram to 1.5 grams Tracking ability 100 microns Compliance 25 cu Channel separation 35db Load 50 - 250 ohms pf no limit Effective mass 5g Peace, |
P.S. Jorsan: Replacement (OEM) 3500 & 4500 styli are available, IIRC Lewm is using the Pickering 7500 stylus in his LZS? Lew?
I've dealt with Pickering UK previously, no concerns. PayPal.
Peace, |
The original manual for the 980/981LZS specs an output of .06 mv-- quite a bit lower than the .3 mv range quoted above and found on the forum references I've been able to excavate. So perhaps there are differences between implementations of the "LZS technology" in the various Stanton/Pickering bodies.
Specifications for the 980/981LZS:
Stylus Type: Nude Stereohedron Tip Dimensions: Contact Radii: .0028" (71u) Scanning Radii: .0003"(8u) Stylus Tracking Force: .75 - 1.5gm Setting with Brush: 1.75 - 2.5gm Resulting operational tracking: .75 - 1.5 Frequency Response l0Hz to 50kHz+ Output: .06 mv/cm/sec Channel Balance: Within 1dB @ 1kHz Channel Separation: 35dB @ 1kHz Cartridge D.C. Resistance: 3 ohms Cartridge Inductance: 1 mH Cartridge Color: Chrome Cartridge Weight: 5.5 gm Load Resistance: 100 ohms or greater Load Capacitance: Up to 1000 pF (includes arm leads, cables, and amplifier) |
Regards, Dgarretson: "The old 500EL is 12Um/mN and had an output of 1.0mV/cm/sec. The output of the 71EE is .9mV/cm/sec, and the Emk2 & EEmk2 are both .8mV/cm/sec." Found this here: http://forums.audioreview.com/analog-room/stanton-881s-stylus-replacement-new-cartridge-28162-5.htmlwhich is a cornucopia of info from two former Stanton employees, 500/V15, 681/XV15, 881/XV3000 & 981. The 500 is (depending on stylus) typically described as nom. 3/4/5mV output. If you'd like me to describe the difference in measurement, someone will need to explain it to me first :-) . Peace, |
Dave, The quoted ".06mV/cm/sec" is not actually different from "0.3mV"; it's just a different way of expressing output. Classically, cartridge output is rated at a velocity of 3.54 cm/sec. So that would be ~0.2mV by usual criteria for comparing the number to that for other cartridges. In the modern era of MC cartridges, some have switched to rating output at 5 cm/sec, which would put the 980/981 at 0.3mV. This would be in agreement with the number you reference. Subjectively, I would guess that's about right for my 980LZS, comparing it to the output of my Ortofon MC7500 via my MP1. You do need a clean, hi-gain MC-capable phono stage, which we have in the MP1. |
Addendum: Given the 1mH inductance, mating the 980/981LZS with a SUT into an MM phono stage would be highly problematic, I would think. At least it deserves some thought as to the choice of SUT. (A typical LOMC will have way less than 100 micro-henries (uH) inductance.) It's no wonder the LZS was not a huge success in the marketplace of the 1980s; in many ways (very low output/high-ish inductance) it gives you the worst of both the MM and the MC worlds to deal with. |
Dear Timeltel and friends: After read the link you posted about Stanton/Pickering OEM stylus replacement IMHO Axel is still abetter option, let me explain:
top of the " line " cantilever stylus is the berilyum cantilever along nude Shibata for 325 euros and with Gyger II 365 euros ( Gyger II is similar as the replicant 100 by Ortofon and is the one that comews with the top of the line Allaerts cartridges. ). Of course that we can choose boron or aluminum cantilever too for less money. Another advantage is that we send the cartridge to Axel an he will make an inspection to the cartridge and will fix any single trouble on it so when we receive in return the cartridge we have a NEW cartridge with the best we can get today. Not bad !!!
Years ago I was reluctant ( in this same thread ) to modify the vintage cartridges I own but today I learned and IMHO I know I was fully wrong.
As I posted before: a good vintage cartridge motor with today " technology " ( cantilever/stylus and suspension refresh ) is not only a better cartridge than the original but a cartridge in a top and different " league ". So, today makes no sense to me buy vintage top of the line cartridges ( like that 981LZS ) but similar motors along an up grade. Yes for persons that are " collector's item " original status is the name of the game but I'm not a " collector's item ".
Btw, you had an important influence in me on this regard, thank's
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Lew, thanks to Albert's referral I have a 981LZS in the mail. The high-gain MP-1 would likely work well with a .06mV cartridge by any definition, but .3mV is a safer bet. |
Dave, Despite all my efforts to cut back the gain in "our" modified MP1 phono stage, including going to the ECC99s and reducing the values of the plate resistors, I still can barely get the volume control past 9 o'clock with the Ortofon MC7500, a very LOMC indeed. The method employed by Allen Wright to make his RTP3C useful with MM cartridges, inserting a pair of matched low value resistors between the CCS and the cathode of each half of the dual-differential MAT02, does work to reduce gain dramatically, but to my ears it absolutely destroys dynamics. Nothing sounds quite as good with those resistors switched in. (I rigged up mine so I can switch the attenuating resistors in and out with the idea that I could then use the MP1 for MM cartridges. No such luck.) I am rather surprised that Allen never commented on this. I heard the same negative phenomenon when I applied a similar strategy in my Atma amps, which also use a dual-differential cascode input stage. Those resistors are now in the trash. The better way to reduce gain would be to switch from cascode to an ordinary dual-differential gain stage, but I have not bothered at this point. |