While the Beethoven models are a nice upgrade from the Mozart, I agree with Guido that you need the Mahler for an end of game upgrade. |
I agree those vapor derechos look sweet! I sent that company an email to see if they offer in home trial. |
After seeing the money that can be saved buying used I'm fine with buying used, I did find some Beethoven Grand's for 2800 in mint condition with boxes and manuals, I believe they retail at 5k. and I'm sure my a21 can handle this speaker with ease. Has anyone heard the Beethoven compared to the Mozarts? or maybe I could find an internet seller that does a 30 day in home trial with free shipping both ways? the only place I can go to listen to different speakers is Chicago and that's a 3 hour drive. |
I doubt you will find any speaker company that uses the quality parts and man hours on a speaker then vapor sound..you can the best or almost best he offers for that money!!! He will even add parts depending upon the sound you desire. I know, as im prob gonna go buy the stiff breeze and have parts added for an extra sound. |
New Sonus Faber Elipsa's now on Audiogon for under 10k.
List for 20k. |
At this price point I would give the Legacy Audio Focus SE a listen. They will handle 2 channel and HT both with ease. |
Yeah, those Vapor Derecho sure look good at that price! Hard to pass up the Nimbus, though, for $3K more if you have the room for them. |
Why are you against buying used? You can get a huge discount and at this level and I imagine that you could find something close to perfect condition!
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"at that kind of money I'm looking for new. and to answer zd542s question the end of game speakers means never feeling the need to buy another pair of speakers again."
What you're attempting to do here is not plausible. First, there's so many speakers to choose from, you have to be the one to make the selection. We all have different tastes. I could recommend a pair of 10k speakers, and you may hate them.
There's also the question of what electronics you will be using. The results you get are going to be directly related to every component in the system, not just the speakers. And the more expensive and revealing the speakers are, the more important this becomes. You can't listen to any single stereo component. It has to be as part of a system.
If your goal is an 80/20 split between music and movies, I would recommend that you do a 2 channel system only. Maybe do a separate, less expensive, theatre system in a different room. If not, you are going to pay dearly for the 20% that is the theatre portion.
Most important, is you need to verify that what you want is achievable. If you can't go out and demo some gear that you know you will be able to live with, you can't expect to achieve your goal in your listening room. I know its not the easiest way to go about this, but if you really want to get the last pair of speakers that you will ever buy, you have to do it right, or it won't happen. |
Hi JugHead, the Vienna Beethoven Grands are fine VA speakers... But if you can find a pair of used Vienna Mahlers, they are far superior, and well within your budget. They are simply divine! My review of the Mahlers V1.5 was originally published on TAS 188, and should still be available on AV Guide. Let me know if you can't find it, and I will send you a cached copy.
Guido
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I would suggest Sonus Faber and Dynaudio and maybe PMC in keeping with a sound similar to the VA's. Which model? Well you really have to listen to the different ones. It's your ears and wallet. BTW my brother in law has your speakers and they are very nice but a little too laid back for me.
Remember with pre-owned you should be able to find them at approx a 40 - 50% discount. Discounts of more would be Magico or Raidho but over your top budget IMO.
I would again suggest going to dealers and listening for yourself. Even better would be to bring your electronics with you. Best would be an in home demo.
Good luck whatever you should decide. |
vapor sound..call them speak to ryan. He puts 3 times the parts in a speaker then anybody else |
Yeah maybe? but I did the same with my amp and pre amp and don't feel the need to upgrade on those, since my ears are use to the sound of Vienna's I've thought about upgrading to the Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Grand's. |
You will feel the need... |
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"the end of game speakers means never feeling the need to buy another pair of speakers again."
That train will never stop at the station... |
Room size is 16 by 19 and will be used for 80% music and 20% ht. at that kind of money I'm looking for new. and to answer zd542s question the end of game speakers means never feeling the need to buy another pair of speakers again. |
Are they to be used for 2 channel listening or HT or both? How big is your room? What is it that you are looking to improve? Are you looking to buy new or pre-owned? |
"Looking to buy the end of game speakers"
What does that mean? |
