what's the point?


https://web.archive.org/web/20190311201740/http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm
According to this, all amps that are played below clipping sound the same (indiscernible). So what benefit does it serve to purchase an expensive amplifier that may use more expensive capacitors or other parts?
Oh, and what pricepoint does the law of diminishing returns kick in for a class a/b amp/integrated rated at say 150 watts per Channel  @ 8 ohms capable of increasing power at 4 ohms and still being stable?  Thanks.
128x128labguy
This is like going back to 1973 being a teenager and trying to learn about audio. Yeah. Seriously. Almost 50 years ago. Yet reading this it feels like half a century and nothing has been learned.

Pestering the guys at Radio Shack, killing time in the store reading all the books and magazines I couldn't afford to buy, I learned that back then people were free to make just about any claims they wanted. If they could get an amp to spike 20 watts on a peak at a certain frequency then presto, 20 watt amp! If the amp would produce any power whatsoever at 20 Hz or 20kHz then presto! 20-20kHz response! There were no standards. 

(Useful point of reference for those not around back then, an amp that made a legit 4 or 5 watts was doing pretty good. Nobody knew how efficient the speakers were, they were just barely getting around to that, but you could get good volume from those amps so they were probably around 90 dB, well some of them anyway.)

RMS was little more than a mathematical concept. Years later things that were known even then would become industry standards. THD, IMD, RMS, stringent conditions of temperature and frequency response and more all became standardized and regulated. 

To what end? Marketing. Not music. Anyone around long enough will know that. All these technical standards accomplished, at least in the beginning, was wars for ever lower THD, ever more watts and ever flatter response curves. 

For all the good it did. The phrase measures great sounds bad came about for a reason. 

The whole time this was going on, and even before, and even to this day, there was a tension or competition between the measurers and the listeners. The hardest part to get across to audiophiles is that the listeners have always had the upper hand. The only real thing the measurers have going for them is marketing.

Which turns out to be a pretty good advantage. Oh, it don't do s--t in terms of making anything sound good. But it takes time and effort and energy learning how to listen. Takes like 3 seconds to say "200 watts flat 20 to 20K at 8 0hms with .0026% THD" and to top if off you sound all impressive. Ohms! Oooh! Don't know my ohms from my mhos but it sounds impressively technological! 

Yes, I know, hard to believe, but word salad was a thing even before we knew to call it word salad. 

That fricken moron Hirsch was the epitome of the egghead dope that ruined the game while pretending to be a player. He was a player all right. Just not the way we thought.

Be a phile not a phool. Learn to listen. All the rest is noise.
Yes just pick something randomly and listen and all will work out in the end....decades later.

Or just give MC a buzz. He will tell you exactly what you should do.  🙏

What's the point indeed. The blind test tells all. As someone who has taken two blind tests it was a subject that interested me, so I looked for all the blind tests I could find and the only one that ever showed a hint of a possible difference in amps was John Atkinson's (of Stereophile), who said there was a "slight" difference between amps. And he admitted there was a measured frequency response difference between the two amps and that the difference heard could be the interaction with the particular speakers used. He seemed to be fair in his analysis that given the small difference between those who could tell the difference and those who couldn't, along with a myriad of other explanations (and excuses), he didn't come down with a hard-core "Yes" or "No" answer, but one with a ton of caveats and leaning toward the suspicion that only a few highly trained people could "really" hear a difference.

You can read the whole test for yourself.
https://www.stereophile.com/features/113/index.html

And just in case you missed the Stereo Review article that stirred this whole subject into a firestorm, here it is.
https://web.archive.org/web/20060313071857/http://bruce.coppola.name/audio/Amp_Sound.pdf

though Julian H did say he would choose the Mark Levinson of all the amps he reviewed...(I forget which model it was)...