What process did you use to integrate multiple subwoofers for 2 channel listening?


Today I will be trying to integrate up to three subs. Two are matching Rythmiks F12SE, and one is a REL R-328. The Rythmiks have a variety of adjustable parameters, including phase, crossover, and gain. There are other switches and passes on the sub, but I'm going to try to keep it basic to begin with. The REL has variable gain and crossover; the phase on REL is either 0 or 180.

I have REW for measurement. I will be buying a few more furniture sliders this morning, on doctors orders. ;-)

QUESTION: If you have multiple subs, by what process did you integrate your subs? One at a time? More? Which adjustments did you try first and in what kinds of increment?

I know that trial, error, measuring, and listening will all take time. Rather than look for a needle in a haystack, I'm curious what sequence or process was most effective for you.

Thank you.
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Not to many speakers do full range. The JTR Noesis 215RT is one perhaps some of the big JBL cinema 3 ,4 or 5 ways. They still would need DSP in my opinion.
All the speakers have their own power amps, so it is quad amped with an electronic crossover.  that makes it easy.  My subs go for like 70 to 30 Hz, using the Klipschorns.  Then there are the sub-subs, each having 4x15" in a tuned quarter wave huge tube and a 1KW plate amp.  Three of those on separate power.  Obviously these are different, as they are FLAT to 4 HZ.  and the SOUND level, well it's more for show, no meter can measure so with the earthquakes I've been it, it appears R5.2. and yes, things move around, neighbors seek safety and all that. 
WOW, is all that I can say!

FLAT to 4 HZ, that is one Hell of a system, that obviously an be FELT & HEARD!

Just, what Maximum  DB level do you measure with your system?



  
kellyp - I'm not disputing, but HOW do you know it's FLAT to 4Hz.? Could you please briefly explain? So if my calculations are correct; one full 4Hz. wave is 286.96 feet, 1/4 wavelength is 71.74 feet, correct?
Hilde45 - lots of great information here and ways to do this. I have four large subwoofers and measured the room (speakers and listening position) with Room EQ Wizard and then input that data into Multi Sub Optimizer via an Earthworks M30 microphone to generate filters everything running out of my Mini DSP with balanced connections which is processing all filters at 56bit/ 96kHz. The results are stunning and perfect integration. 
Thanks,
Steve
@hilde45 -

Duke LeJeune (AudioKinesis) wrote:
So imo you are definitely playing the distrubuted multisub game already! If you can elevate one of the subs so that it is closer to the ceiling than to the floor, you get bonus points. This is one of the things that @hleeid did to get good results in his 11 x 13 foot room; I think he actually elevated three of the four Swarm subs, as that was more practical than the other way around in his room.

So yes.  That is true.  The room was actually a bit smaller due to closets. 
Had a conversation with Duke about this. 

Even Duke had reservations about the extremely small room.  But I mentioned to him a thread he posted about elevating one or more subs above the room mid height which would contribute to dispersion in the vertical plane.

The light bulb went off in my head.  After some measurements, I figured a way to make 4 subwoofer easily fit by elevating three of them.
One was mounted on the wall behind me above my head.
The one sub on the floor also served as a lamp table next to my desk.

NOTE:  The only limited floor space sacrificed was for the ''lamp table'' sub.

NOTE 2: I must respectfully disagree with Duke about my good results.
They were not really good.

Shockingly incredible would better describe the experience!  Even before hooking up the 4th sub, let alone elevating some of them.

In my new place, I have my mains (Harbeth SHL5+ 40s) firing diagonally across my 13' x 16' (9' ceiling) office.
Two subs are ceiling facing.  One at 12'' and the other 18'' from the ceiling.
Each of these are near the corners along the long wall.
One sub on the floor is slightly behind and to the right of the right speaker.
The other floor sub is to forward and to the right of my desk (my listening position).

After much experimentation with speaker/listener position, light acoustic treatment, etc. I feel this is my best (currently) sounding setup all around.
No DSP, EQ, etc.  except for reversing phase on the sub closest to the mains and unporting the sub furthest from the listening position.

Best of luck to you on your quest!
@hleeid Thanks for your post. I tried some elevation but didn't help. Turned out that a different bit of advice from Duke was key -- partly plugging the ports on my stand mount speakers.

I'm happy to report that I now have no more than +/- 6 db peaks or nulls on my system and much less than that in the bass regions, most of the time. The combination of 3 sub placements, room treatments, and port plugging has dialed the room in to what I think are the best limits for this space. 6.5' ceilings made this a major project, but I have learned a lot. The bass is very accurate and full now.