No. With me a recording was made of the original hypnotic event so it could be played back as reinforce ment as needed ..I did so for 3 weeks. Tom
What is the Silliest Accessory You Have Ever Seen.
I was flipping through the accessory pages at the Cable Company and came up with this https://www.thecableco.com/hallograph.html You have to be kidding me. Of all the dumb, idiotic, profoundly stupid things I have ever seen. The marketing is even better! Have you seen anything worse! It is up to us to uncover these things for what they are, SCAMS.
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@roxy54 Your ability to focus on music improves when you have no visual input. It is why we have had so many totally blind fabulous musicians. You transfer sonic interpretation to the visual cortex at the back of your brain. Proven fact. If your system does not sound better with your eyes closed you have work to do. |
Oh and all the bad that 90 degree angles inflict on our ears.One of my acoustic controls recommendation is the use of polihedral flowing surface for each corner of the ceiling.... 😁 The room lens worked indeed for me and inspire me one of my best idea about the Helmholtz Fibonacci organ or room tuner and that work very well.... ... Thanks to you.... I must wait to replicate the hallograpgh tough.... Great post thanks.....I will read the info....Wow the book look very good.... Hundred thanks! |
In part what I posted on the Thiel thread. Not this part though.. If you want to understand how waves interact check out the link below..and yes this does totally relate to the not silly but smart Hallograph and The not silly but smart Argent Room Lens and to an overdamped room and foam and fiberglass and any floor material and dry wall and glass Oh and all the bad that 90 degree angles inflict on our ears. Any single material boundary can swamp and overwhelm the sound of another material and its boundary.. From the International Atomic Energy Agency below. I found this years ago and forgot and found it again recently. I want to post this on other threads as it will describe how particle waves react with each other and their material boundaries. https://www.ndt.net/forum/files/ut--.pdf Look to pages 38 to 41 or so. What is described is how and what we hear and how different materials and shapes sound the way they do. I want to thank a lady Debbie Miles, a seismologist for 40 years, she has greatly influenced my venture into how materials and shapes interact and their influence on what we hear.. Tom |
My wife is reading a book right now that explores this concept of how humans tend to default to assuming "true", i.e. default to assuming what they are being told is true.Incredible coincidence indeed... My wife read a book about the fact that human always think "absolutely" true what they think is true, coming from others or not.....Imagination for most people is equated with untrue or impossible or ficticious...The human brain frame itself in jail....This framing comes from education but is reinforced by ourself .... Almost all inventions were reputed impossible before being created... Almost all so called common sense of human life are contradicted by some fact also... Is it possible to live without eating? Is it possible to levitate? Is it possible to read the future? is it possible to ressuscitate? Can we think about mathematic all our life almost without brain matter (hydrocephalus case)? Is human memory could be virtually without limits? Is the infinite a possibility or an imagination of some fool? Imagination is the ground of poetry and science and the mother of invention.... The father is a reason open to an infinite reality and not closed to it.... Religion and most of what people call "science" is business faith or institutional dogmas....Money and power indeed.... True science is creativity.....True spirituality is absolute freedom..... How much of it is people trying to scam you.This is ridiculous and even more pathetic philosophy indeed...Being cautious dont means we must eliminate most of humanity for being unreliable and all tweaks because they are a priori unreliable also ....😁 In regard to "tweak" or any audio product, if i dont create one for myself i read about and decide or not to try it....It is not much a question of trust, more of convenience.... All audio products are not inspired by monster scammer exploiting credulity....They are sell in good faith and for me most of the times they are too costly anyway.... The real question then is : the ratio increase in S.Q. /price for a specific audio system.... But deciding a priori to mistrust everyone and everything is ridiculous.... The real scams in audio are most of the times very easy to spot....The problem of tweak is not the idea behind the tweak most of the times, it is the high price in money which is asked for... I replicate and improve probably at peanuts cost a very interesting "tweak" the Argent roomlens in one hour.... And some here without even knowing what it is dump it in the useless file tweak.... I replicate what i could replicate and guess what: my audio system is completely transformed at no cost..... I prefer to sell creativity at no cost than fears and stupidity at all cost...... «The greatest deception come from our fears not from our neighbours»-Anonymus Smith |
Rauliruegas, you have never made more sense and you are absolutely right. I certainly have fallen for a few things over the years. The best teacher is experience. Audio2design, also true. The default mode is trust vs not trust. That is why big tech and the media have become so dangerous. Our default mode has to be "not trust." Humans are just too dangerous. Just look at your email in the morning. How much of it is people trying to scam you. How many people do you trust with your wallet, your car, your kids. A hand full maybe, mostly family. Otherwise it is safe to assume every human is out for themselves. In the words of Layne Staley. " Why does it have to be this way." |
aj523215 posts01-24-2021 10:55amI fell for the Walker Audio Talisman mainly because I read stellar review from what I thought were reputable sites like 6moons, Positive Feedback, Dagogo, etc At least for me, it does absolutely nothing. It doesn’t even eliminate static. Oh well live and learn. At least I could return it. My wife is reading a book right now that explores this concept of how humans tend to default to assuming "true", i.e. default to assuming what they are being told is true. Absent the knowledge to know otherwise, it is not surprising to see how people react to things. |
Dear friends : Due to its not justified high price this could be part of the " silliest..... " because the seller took advantage of the very poor knowledge levels some audiophiles have. Of course that an owner that already spend that kind of money needs to justify one way or the other his " silliest " item utility. Is silliest because if we own 2 or even 3 tonearms the best alternative is 100 dollars MINT LPprotractor that is a custom made to specific tonearm we own. Nothing beats the MINTLP and that " silliest " accesory neither. I think that in some time all of us bougth " silliest " accesories that just were a scam ( like what happened with @aj523 with that Talisman item. ) and many of us did it/lived that kind of experiences more than once and the only advantage with those kind of experiences is that we learn the lessons. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
I fell for the Walker Audio Talisman mainly because I read stellar review from what I thought were reputable sites like 6moons, Positive Feedback, Dagogo, etc At least for me, it does absolutely nothing. It doesn’t even eliminate static. Oh well live and learn. At least I could return it. https://walkeraudio.com/product/talisman-magnetic-optimizer/ |
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@lewm , We are actually in close agreement. I always have said that you have to control the acoustic of the room to the greatest extent possible before resorting to digital adjustment. You just stop before the digital adjustment. You should measure your system. I think you might be surprised. As for tweaks we feel exactly the same way. That money is much better spent on equipment and effective acoustic treatment. If any of it does anything it is miniscule in comparison. Whenever I get flowery, bombastic descriptions of the improvement "product X" made I dismiss that opinion out of hand. Now as for my career. I am a board certified family physician licensed in Massachusetts and New Hampshire. I started building Dynakits as a kid. I got so good with a soldering iron that while in high school I got hired by dBx in Waltham to wire the power supply chassis of 32 channel noise reduction units which I did for two Summers. In 1976 I traveled to Miami, FL for medical school. To help with finances I got a job at Luskin's Hi Fidelity nights and weekends as a salesman. It was a discount box store selling mid fi mostly but we did have some nice stuff like Revox and Accuphase. The big high end store was Peter McGrath's Sound Components. I got most of my own equipment there. A friend of my cousins (very wealthy) asked if I would set up a system in his new house which I did using equipment from Peter. Other wealthy people heard his system and I started getting requests. I left the job at Luskin's and started working on my own. Peter gave me discounts on equipment which I sold at retail with an added labor charge. I then got all my own equipment at salesman's comp. That for me was the jackpot. The final system I set up was the entire PA system at Flagler Dog Track. The old system started having trouble and needed to be replaced including the exterior speakers. Nothing like climbing through steel girders and trusses hanging from the roof of a huge grand stand. The electronics were up in the announcers booth hanging from the roof dead center. I had to build the main control console which fed 8 JBL amplifiers and controlled two R2R's, two 8 tracks, a radio, a TV and two microphones. Along the way I developed a relationship with Jim Strickland of Acoustat fame. I had Acoustat X's which I got through Peter. They were very pretty but the enclosures were awful and resonated like crazy. I pulled the panels out and mounted them in a solid frame, covered it in grill cloth and mounted a 3 inch thick maple plate to the top and bottom then stuck them on top of two RH labs subwoofers. Peter heard it and dragged Jim over to hear and he was impressed. The design turned into the Monitor 4 and Monitor 3. Jim had this plastic base made that lifted the speaker 18 inches and housed the amplifiers which I thought was ugly but it was a huge improvement. A year later he switched to the Model 1,2,3,4 followed by the 1+1, 2+2, 3+3 and the monster 4+4. This was at about the time I moved to Ohio for residency. I wanted a set of 2+2s when I got to Ohio so Jim set me up with a dealer in Akron called The Golden Gramophones. He sent the speakers up there and told John Ashe the owner to give them to me at dealer cost. I think but I am not sure that Jim charged John less than the usual dealer cost. John and I became close friends. He got me a deal on my first Porsche, a 944 Turbo. Now that I had an income as a resident I only set up system's for friends. I always got the from John and he always took care of me even after I moved to New Hampshire until the store closed in 1998. I hope that explains everything lewm. |
clywnbe I have a group design of a cd cover we call the Cirkulus..have used it daily for over 20 years. It will only work on drawer load and top load players. It is very light weight and has a shallow lip to enclose the edge/lip of the cd. The edge of the cd causes light scatter to be read by the laser and to engage the error correction. It does reduce the need for error correction allowing the player itself to extract more music. Sounds better. Tom |
"cheapest copper wire" would actually be an upgrade over what is used in many modern contructions, where you might find aluminum wiring. THAT would be the cheap way out. But the argument against expensive power cords, based on the idea that miles of inexpensive wire precede the wall socket, is an old one that never dies. I take no sides but I also would never buy a hyper-expensive power cord, based instead upon the fact that I can make my own, using very high quality copper or silver wire and very good plugs, for much less cost. |
My fav was the metal cd disk monster cable made to help smooth out the content. Digital data isn’t smooth, or rough or harsh. It’s zero’s and ones. And it added more mass for the drive motor. The $1200 power cable is my next fav. All this massive cable plugged into a wall where the home builder bought the cheapest copper wire they could find. Lol. |
You really misunderstand as much as I do.I think on this precise point about my way of explaining that you are right.... But if you correct me about anything it will be difficult for me to stay calm... 😊 But i understand what you say, and i am not an english speaker, then my presentation of an argument is more "square" than necessary.... I partake your judgement on this point.... I sometimes wrote too " squarely" point by point to be sure to be understood... We are very different character glupson, it is better for us to be friends....My imagination need ground, but your walking pace sometimes need wings....it is better to complement each other instead of going to war with useless arguing.... I see you asking questions, doubting, but you never bash group of people indiscriminately....You are polite and not arrogant... I try to imitate that.... It is just that i dont like when people attack without reason and i am too passionate ....In an audio thread discussion must be open and without condemnation.... My best to you... |
mahgister, For your pretention to criticize my alleged method of "teaching", this is only your way to attribute something to my opinion that is not there..You really misunderstand as much as I do. I was simply trying to tell you that the way you teach (quote from your teaching post: "End of lesson....") is barely comprehensible and you may want to work on it. Your preferred method of delivering lessons needs improvement. If the student paying attention to a lesson cannot understand, the teacher needs improvement. |
In response to Mijostyn: I do tune my room using both home-made absorbers and diffusers and also commercial products that do the same. I aim usually to eliminate any nasty peaks that are inherent to the room, and that's about my only goal. But to paraphrase Joe McCarthy's famous question, I am not now, nor have I ever been interested in electronic methods to shape the frequency response of my amplifier/speakers. I do modify my electronics and in one instance a speaker crossover, in order to improve upon the interaction between electronics and speakers. The goal there is always compatible with a flat response at the level of electronics. As I mentioned elsewhere, that was particularly important with respect to the Sound Lab 845PX crossover. In general, my opinion after 45 years as a hobbyist is that if your own choice of room/speaker/amplifier/front end equipment does not already get you 90-95% toward your own audio Nirvana, no amount of tweaking per se will get you the rest of the way. That includes ICs, power cords, NOS tubes, boutique parts, and various add-ons that closer to snake oil than to common sense. The ICs, power cords, etc, can embellish, but you can't turn an audio sow's ear into a silk purse with gadgets. What interests me is that in some posts you sound like you have been in the audio business, but from other posts I gather you are a physician, likely a pediatrician. Since those to professions are quite different, I wonder which is correct. |
Plus I love the tweakaholics.It is an audio thread, and writing openly that you enjoy your own prejudice against a group of people alleged "stupidity" or "gullibility" underline your own limitation without proving their own alleged limitation in each case ....You are"gifted" indeed reading your own word.... I am not surprized that you sided like a sheep in the "scientist" band wagon with someone who vouch and think that by a theorem in signals theory he can replace the human ears by numbers ....Without even knowing himself in doing so that he will reveal clearly to all that he dont understand the modelling factors in the objective concept of timbre, calling that "subjective colored illusions" if not useless, only a taste.... How do we call someone who bash indiscriminately and with no reason except his appeal to an elusive scientist faith a great number of people, without verifying what they experimented in the first place, and whitout gaining anything for himself in the process of this condemnation: Take notice of point three here in particular: These are Cipolla’s five fundamental laws of stupidity (in wikipedia):
Point 4 concern me a lot.... I must go out of this thread.... |
@teo_audio, such negative vibes. Exactly who's life are you describing? Certainly not me. Except for my right hand I consider myself very lucking and I certainly would not kick a dog. But I do like lighting fuses. It is that human fascination with fire and explosions. Plus I love the tweakaholics. They are a never ending source of entertainment. No animosity intended. |
In general, context means nothing if the content is wrong.Your remark miss the point: There exist differences between effect of rhetoric in prose and the prosaic content of a word in a dictionary... I answered your free sarcasm....With a lesson in sarcasm... 😊 In rhetoric the CONTEXT is the main element, not the immediate content of a word... The context in language is worked by this part of the brain more involved with WHOLE situation than parts or details, more involved with encompassing global attention, than to a small object in the focus of attention.... This neurological fact reflect itsef in rethoric with the 2 corresponding polarities: poetical mode and prosaic modality of language... The articulation of these 2 modes constitute everyday language also... maybe it would be easier to decipher if you changed your teaching technique. For your pretention to criticize my alleged method of "teaching", this is only your way to attribute something to my opinion that is not there...It is also your rhetorical process so to speak... I then will remind you of my "teaching" or opinion in prosaic word: - Nobody must condemn ALL unusual or silly products to be useless one save if you know them or experiment with them in the first place... -This way of creating a thread would not be so harmful, if the OP of this thread with some others, added not to this unfounded general judgement, the sarcastic free mockery against ALL customers that have bought these alleged "silliest" or unusual products accusing all of them indiscriminately of gullibility... I am sure that your operating normal swift mind will not qualify my simple stating of these facts to be "teachings"... For the rest i only read english, i dont speak it, then i apologize for my "alleged" bad use of language or sometimes clumsy way.... For my ONLY one attributed "teaching, this is simple: -We must learn how to install and control the mechanical, electrical and acoustical dimensions linked to any audio system.... -And NO TWEAK can solve that part by solely by itself and NO audio system can work at his optimal rate in an uncontrolled noisy environment... Is it difficult to understand? It seems not open mind read that like evidences..... I am sure you did also..... My best to you..... |
