I know there has been a lot on this manufacturer, but I just discovered them myself(today). I have never read so many positives while at the same time read so many negatives on any on amp(or any product for that matter). At the same time they are getting huge pats on the back from two different magazines? Could some owners of the Dk vs1 mk 2 offer there opinions that still own them, I maybe looking for an intergrated hybrid that has some power and this is the only one that seems to fit the bill in my price range. So...why the extreme positive and negative?!
Audioari1, in my opinion, the BAT has at least as much slam as the DK.
And, truthfully, have you actually HEARD a Jadis D30, DA50S, DA60, or DA88S? Or, for that matter an Orchestra or Orchestra Reference? Please explain to me the bass, or anything else, falling apart in demanding passages?
Still, I'm not here to be a DK basher. I'm more of a neutral observer than most here and the highly polarized opinions. I think it's a fairly priced product that has more than underwhelmed me when I heard a bone stock unit with Von Schweikert VR4Jr, and more than overwhelmed me when I heard it (stock unit???) driving the same speakers at HE2005. In my opninon, the combination was among the best at the show.
At the show, Daniel Khesin came across as a real clown, but I have nothing but the highest respect for Lrsky (current owner Larry Staples), who I consider a friend, and the reason the threads have calmed down and am sure he will ratchet the class factor of the company up several notches.
Thanks for the info 84audio,I guess i will find out for myself,I ordered a DkSig yesterday from my dealer.Do you think tube rolling will still be as important as it was with the DK Mk11. I thought this unit took quite a few steps up with early Amperex white Pq's in it.I hope to find some at a decent price. Kevin
Audioari1 - I just checked out your "answers" - OK, it's only my opinion, but it doesn't seem right to me that DK is apparently the only appropriate answer for everything. Or is it? And only a $20k amp sounds better than a DK? - oh boy, the absurdity levels are reaching pretty tall heights again. Oh well, something would be wrong if a DK thread didn't become a mockery of reality I suppose.
Hmmm, let’s see. Well, there was the thread-of-the-day for about two months with brand new members frothing at the mouth saying things like “It is simply the best integrated amplifier on the market period”, who seemed to come and go only to leave DK threads, and then there was the dealer blitzkrieg of dozens of repetitive ads, along with the false “wanted” ads, and of course, there was the dealer in Nevada or somewhere at a schoolhouse address in a town of 250 people, who appeared to have been a figment of DK’s original owners mind, and so on and so forth.
Then of course there was the false claims that ended up resulting in the three member test. The only reason this test started was that the original owner went over the line as far as his BS claims, trying to defend the claim that the ampÂ’s architecture was Class A (later Class A+ - how funny is that!). The membership grew tired of all the BS associated with DK and put him up to the test. It went reasonably well for DK, but the ultimate proof is that none of the members who participated ended up keeping the things.
As mentioned before, MK IIÂ’s sell for pathetic prices, which makes them excellent values. At one time, there was an attempt to claim that everyone (and it seemed like it was everyone) was selling the MkII for the MkIII. That got laughed down (read the threads), and weÂ’re all waiting to see what the next step is.
By the way Sean, add the Levinson 383 to your list of integrateds that'll chew up a DK.
charlie 101, if you are going to compare amps to the dk, why don't you compare apples to apples. most of the amps you listed cost up to twice what the dk cost. a lot of those amps you listed have quite a bit less power than the dk. if i would put the cary 300 into my system with my mani 2's, it would sound like ^&$#. the dk would embarass the cary with my speakers. you would need to get very effecient speakers for this amp. also, i can list dozens of amps that would blow your list away. some might cost $2500 a pair up to many times this amount. again, i love it when people stress their point when using words like 'embarass' instead of just saying 'imo, i liked the sound of xxxx, yyy over zzzz'.
Sean is looking for an amp that has some slam along with a nice midrange. On your list, the Cary, BAT, and Jadis have no slam whatsoever, although they do have a nice midrange. During demanding passages, these amps will simply fall appart and warp the bass next to the DK. I have not heard the Graaf or the deHavilland. In any case, I have no idea where you come up with the idea that those amps will embarass the DK. I have done several side by side comparisons, and I am particularly offended by your reference to the Cary 300sei - it neither has the midrange OR the low frequency performance of the DK. It just doesn't compare.
Also, and this is not a subjective statement, but a factual statement, the DK will embarass virtually all those amps when it comes to build quality and parts quality. Lets open up a Cary and the DK and inspect the parts inside. That will put the argument to rest.
I think the VAC is the only contender that will sound better then the DK, in that it has an addictive midrange presentation but still with lots of kick in the bass for a tube amp - as it should be since it costs $20K.
First, I was responding to the outrageous statement that the DK is the "best integrated on the market period". That is so funny it needed to be addressed. The writer must not be familiar with the integrated market I suppose. Some integrateds that will embarrass that amp are: deHavilland IOS 845 Cary 300sei Graaf Venticinque BAT VK-300x VAC Phi Beta VAC Phi Kappa 32 Jadis DA30 Jadis DA50S Jadis DA60
Now you did not stipulate $3000 in your original post. However, if you patiently look around for a used piece from Jadis, VAC, BAT, etc. you will eventually find something much better than the DK.
charlie101, if you don't agree that it is the best integrated than what is? I am really trying to find out. I would like it to be a hybrid, if not it has to be a tube integrated with some slam or a ss with it's normal attributes along with a nice midrange and upper end for less than 3000$?????
I bought my DK Integrated before the hype started on Audiogon and have lived with it in my system for just over 1 year. In stock form it is a very nice sounding amp. If you get into tube rolling it really can make it a great amp. I sent mine to Parts Connexion about 2 months ago and had a full modification of the amp. I am extremely satisified with the results. I am in the process of working on a review that I will post on Audiogon. I am not affiliated with DK or Parts Connexion other than being a very satisfied user. I replaced my Krell KSA 100s & Krell KRC preamp and wouldn't go back. Hope this helps.
Still wondering why the two magazines gave the dk such impressive praise?
Ever heard of advertising dollars? I see that DK buys a cover page on Stereophile. I don't know what mags you're refferring to, but money talks volumes.
(I have only listened to solid state amps before). I listen to classical music.
I listened 1/2 hour in store with theta cd player and 3 different bookshelf speakers. I think it sounds pleasant, not accurate...I guess thats how tubes sound.
If I would buy it it would be for its appearance. It has a power meter nice light and substantial build.
I am still surprised that there are DK bashers out there. And what was wrong with DK's marketing prior to LSA Group purchase? To my knowledge, DK is the only company that gave out 3 brand-new amps to regular audiogon members who have been on Audiogon since the beginning and then asked them to write a completely unbiased review that is not driven by advertising dollars. To me this sounds like a company that means business and is willing to prove it. Lets see Krell do something like this. And do you think the reviews on the Krell will be nearly as good as the reviews on the DK, given that they are completely unbiased?
Frankie u, When you get the chance to tube roll if you can try the Amperex PQ's.They work great with this amp in my setup at least.I ended up getting the pinchwaist's and they are even better.My friend brought over some Siemen Cca's and they give you a very nice sound but a tad to dark for me but that would be personal preference.I don't know but I sold my ML ref-32 and Plinius 100mk-3 as to me the DK is just more musical and realistic.Good luck on your tube hunt.Regards,Bob
Still wondering why the two magazines gave the dk such impressive praise? I guess what everybody is saying is that the marketing got in the way of an outstanding product? I have a Cayin ta-30 integrated and was looking for some more power along with the mixture of the tubes with solid state. Just trying to figure out if it would be that dramatic of an upgrade?
Does anybody have feedback on the Lsa/DK Sig amp demo'd in Vegas.Just wondering how the sound compares to the DKmk2.I must add that i heard the MK2 with my Reimer Tetons and thought it sounded great(tubes do seem to make a huge difference).The feedback i have gotten so far is that the new amp semms to do everything a little better? Sorry,hope i did'nt hijack the thread.Thanks Kevin
Echo TVAD's initial comments. I did an in home demo of the MKII and it is a nice sounding int-amp, and for the used price is a major steal. I found it had plenty of power, had a good sound staging, and had great dynamics and bass. It was a bit congested in the mids and highs. Could have been the tubes I suppose.
i sold some nice seperates and auditioned other amps (mac and classe) and ended up buying the dk mkII amp to drive my totem mani 2's. when people hear the amp, they like the sound. they did have some wierd marketing tactics early on and alot of people didn't like it. imo, most of the rants were childish which most audiophiles should have ignored. the only way to judge a piece of equipment is to listen to it, not worry about how other people think about the advertising.
It is simply the best integrated amplifier on the market period. I have been a serious audiophile for 15 years and this component virtually does it all. I would say that it is in the same leage with many expensive separates and I know some people who replaced Audio Research and Krell separates. I highly recommend that you audition one.
I own a DK VS-1 MKII, but am currently using an Almarro A205A MKII as my 2 channel driver. I have heard the DK MKIII and the Signature model at recent CES/THEshow. At home compared to my mid-line Nakamichi receiver it is sonically superior in all aspects. At my local high end audio store when compared to any tube amplifier with a MSRP of equal or greater value it does not compare as well. Changing the 6922 input tubes to better quality and a decent power cord with a properly matched power conditioner helps (of course) but in my opinion is required as a minimum for use. Today we tried the DK VS-1 on some Soundlab speakers which are known to be an extremly dificult load for transistor amps and actually the DK did pretty good, not like a Wolcott of course, but acceptable for a transistor amp. My recent listen to MKIII and Signature models I actually prefer my own VS-1, but keep in mind there are/were many problems at THEShow to get best sound out of demoe'd components. At CES/SHOW, IF audio memory serves correctly there are several small popular integrated amps that are good, maybe even better than the DK but do not have phono input or quite the rated power. I have found I personally prefer the "quality" of the single-ended triode type amps versus the typical transistor amp, thus my opinion is somewhat biased in that direction. Closing-up I think the DK price-point is correct, possibly good value considering the phono-stage. Used DK in the $1500-$2000 range a better choice. Helps this helps, just my opinon, Mike
I've had some mails from Larry,regarding questions I had on non DK related matters. His input has helped me immensly.I really think this is a man you can trust and whose products you can buy with confidence.
Well, hell, I guess I will jump in on this one. I am not an ole' timer audiophile guy, but my ears know excellent sound when they hear it and the DK DELIVERS!(Like the Grateful Dead did on one of their better nights) I do own the DK since August and love what this baby does in combination with my other components(Reimer Wind River custom speakers, Consonance CD-120, DK supplied interconnects, reality speaker cables, and new since Christmas, the BrickWall conditioner. The amp has probably too much power and I have not passed the halfway line since I'de like to keep my ears from bleeding. The sound is crystal clear from every volume thus far. Watch out,this is one HEAVY mother. It took a lot out of me to hump it onto my rack but there it sits in all its glory. My more seasoned audiophile buddies are like "Holy s___, that sucker looks mean! Simply put, it sounds even better than it looks and it is so impressive. I can personally vouch for Larry Staples, the new owner of DK as being one of the most honest,honorable, up-front square deal business people I've ever come across. The support is the best, and no, I do not work for him nor do I have any association other than being the proud owner of this product. Yeah, he purchased the DK business in July, but with intentions of delivering a superior amp along with his speaker line. You call them and you WILL get service, done!I think they should advertise more but hey, it's not "my" business. I have not yet began the "tube rolling' bit yet but I will in the near future and to me that's another plus. Solid state amp and tube pre-amp -best of both worlds. Good luck there, and if I were you, I would jump on one of these baby's and take it for a ride. enjoy the music.. Frank
I auditioned the DK II driving some sonus faber auditors locally and it was awesome. I almost bought the entire setup right there. It is right on the top of my list for my power needs. The owners of the shop see a lot of really nice equipment - and they have this in the middle of their show pieces. I have been out of the high end gear game for years and this amp has sparked my interest in high end audio again. That is how I found this site 3 weeks ago. I hope this helps -
Thanks for your response...I will say that is one of the nicest looking amps I have ever seen. Has anyone heard the DK compared to the pathos integrated?
I did read about the weird marketing of this company....it still seems to me that although the magazines can be pretty biased with their reviews, an award as such given by two magazines seems pretty convincing of the sound? I'm just wondering if they PREFORM as I was led to believe by all the positive reviewers? I can say that I found very few that were negative based on the performance alone. Tvad, are you an owner or have you compared or heard them?
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