I'm looking at the Synergistic Research Galileo UEF Digital BNC. As well as the Wave High Fidelity Cable and the High Fidelity Reveal BNC and the Black Cat Tron Ditial Cables, respectively. What do you consider the best Digital BNC cable under $4K?
Maybe those who can hear changes in quality data cables, sending binary have superior hearing to the guy who spends $50 for cable..
If you can hear a difference and have the extra $1000s laying around for cables, that also means you are a real audiophile with superior senses.
How good an audiophile can you afford to be? How good can you afford to hear?
Hate to be sarcastic but the hobby is not served well by all the BS..
Some of the decline since the 1980s is due to this ridiculousness, imho..
Its a really strange new science.. The deeper the pockets, the better the ability to hear fine details in digital cables. Who would have guessed there is a relationship?
I wouldn't spend $4K on any digital cable. But I don't need to.
The best digital cable I've heard (I have the RCA version, but BNC is easily available) is the Oyaide 1.3 meter DR-510 coax cable. It's silver and sounded so much better than others here that I put it IMS & haven't touched it in 3+ yrs.
The BNC version is 1.3 meter DB-510. You can find it on eBay for under $200.
The
Sablon Panetta BNC is one that I'm strongly considering. I have the Black Cat SilverStar 75 MKII and love it! But I was recently given that recommendation as well. I'm thinking about going with the TRON.
So would you mind expounding on the Sablon a bit more, especially compared to the SilverStar?
Observation: since digital cables are directional just like any other cable or power cord or fuse it’s probably rational to assume that it’s the quality of the voltage and current traveling through the digital cable that’s the case, not 1s and 0s. You know, 1s and 0s would be still 1s and 0s no matter which direction the digital cable was connected.
I used a Belden 1694A digital cable for a few years between my streamer (raspberry pi, HIFIBERRY DIGI+ PRO,
iFi iPower DC Power Supply) and dac (sim audio 380 DSD). I was very happy with its sound and you can't beat the cost.
I've been able to hear differences between interconnects and speaker cables since I got into this hobby many many years ago, but never bothered with any expensive digital cables as I just assumed it wouldn't make a difference carrying a digital signal.
After being
enamored with the magic of Shunyata ZTRON ICs, Speaker, and Power cables in my system, I decided to try their cheapest at the time digital cable the Cobra (purchased used knowing I could flip it pretty easy if I heard no difference), and I was amazed at the difference I could hear compared to the Belden. I then flipped the Cobra to try the Python, and again I could hear a difference; maybe a little smaller this time. I then flipped it to buy the Anaconda, and again I could hear a difference; small but there. I've settled on the Anaconda and am very happy with it relative to the price I paid for it, and relative to what I paid for the other cables in my system based on the improvements I could detect.
It would be interesting to know if I had a much more expensive streamer (i.e. something inline with my DAC price wise) if I would hear the same differences I did between the digital cables.
I have tried many digital cables and the MIT Oracle MA-X always comes out as the top performer. Another AGON member has the BNC version for sale. They seem pricy, but after you hear what they are capable of relative to other cables the decision will be obvious.
I've heard the Black Cat TRON users say that it has a deeper soundstage than the SilverStar 75 or Digit 75. Has anyone here used the Synergistic Research Digital BNC cables before?
i use my own brand canibefrank digital the secret sauce? you get bit perfect 1s and 0s and a few random select 2s to warm it up a rare 3 to keep it exciting
Here is a reply to skeptics of digital cable improvements by a Wave Fidelity representative:
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This is not about ones and noughts. Specifically with the dual BNC connectors between the Chord Blu Mk2 MScaler and the Dave DAC it is about using the cables to filter out RF common mode noise produced by the MScaler. The Blu Mk2 MScaler and Dave are awesome with just standard BNC cables but when the RF noise is removed it really produces the ‘icing on the cake’.
My WAVE STORM Reference cables remove all the RF noise and the resulting darkness and depth of sound is so obvious that can be almost too much for some listeners who crave the false detail and shimmer produced by the RF noise. Hence I think the comments in the review where some slightly brighter cables are preferred but what you get with my cables is 100% of the digital signal and nothing else. If the sound is too dark then that is because that is on the master tape. Keep listening and the ear / brain will adjust and reveal the true fine detail which was being masked by the RF noise.
Many other devices have RF noise and that is why cables which filter the RF are so beneficial within a system, not only between Blu Mk2 / Dave but also elsewhere.
When I was comparing many RCA digital cables years ago the High Fidelity Cables were substantially better than anything else. I would get one of their RCA models and put BNC adapters on them.
Also, I am not talking about the new HFC 'Reveal' cheapo line, which does not even compete with the original CT-1. Try to get a CT-1 Ultimate or above. I use a CT-1 Ultimate Reference.
Anyone who thinks a digital cable sends ones and zeros down a wire has no idea how digital audio works. A digital cable carries an analog wave which is an imperfect representation of a digital square wave, and carries a bunch of noise.
I’m an electric engineer and please trust me, the best Digital BNC cable what you can get is the Canare BNC cables (Japan). It is the best cable under 4000$, for about 30$-40$. If you buy something else for more money the best what you will get a Canare with different label and outer skin.
Please don’t think there is correlation between prices and cable quality over 40$.
If your Streamer and DAC has USB input as well, please use that instead of SPDIF Coax/BNC. USB is asynchronous by standard, it means your DAC will resync the incoming digital signal, so USB is not sensitive for incoming jitter from the streamer.
SPDIF Coax/BNC is synchronous in theory (DAC will use what arrived, when arrived), but best DACs resync it like at the USB.
You lost me at "I'm an electrical engineer" but my eyes were too fast and caught "please" which is begging and "trust me" which my brain automatically inserts "and the last thing you want to do is" in front of, ditto "the best", because it knows the only way this can be true is if the guy first established his listening chops by having laid out all the great wire he's compared. Which never happened. So it really is begging after all. And trust, that's faith. So what are we talking here? Engineering? Or faith??
What's truly amazing is my brain does all this way faster than it takes to explain. So virtually all the time wasted here was writing up this critique of why engineering has so very little to do with listening.
mzkmxcv777 posts @geoffkait Still, you believe data cables can alter tonal balance, stereo separation, etc.? If so, I ask for an explanation as to how it can actively alter a digital transmission.
Data cables DO alter tonal balance and separation. How ..? I don't care! Message to mzkmxcv .... If your ears or system (or both) are inadequate, do not disagree with people who have both performing far higher than you can possible perceive, or understand. It is beyond you - just accept it, and do not advertise your inadequacies to the world and his dog.
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