FWIW: If you havn't made a purchase yet, I recently upgraded my amplifier to a Krell KSA 250. this 250 watt class A powerhouse literally took ahold of the hard to drive Hales Rev III's that I have and made them sound like speakers costing 3 times their price. I can't overemphasize how much the improvement was from the bottom all the way to the top end.
What is your experience with these speakers?
Brad |
Belles, is great sounding gear. More sophistocated to my ear than the Marsh, and more musical, whatever that means. Mr. Belles hand wires the units personally. Talk about hand made!
The Hales I heard were a little forward sounding in the high frequencies, so the combo of the new 21A preamp (with a couple of tubes, and the 150A would probably do well for you with those speakers. And it should fit in the price you mentioned.
IMHO, as always.
Good luck and good listening,
Larry |
Kberg: I used to sell Proceed(along with ML and Revel)amps. STAY AWAY FROM PROCEED!! They had a terrible return rate and reliability is very poor at best. In one year the company I worked for sold about 120 units of the HPA and AMP series. Over half of them came back within 90 days for warrenty issues. Madrigal cut some serious corners on these. Solder joints were terrible. If your even thinking about an HPA 2, you seriously need to put an Aragon 8008BB into that list. The Aragon is a far superior built amp and sounds much better too. Tighter bass,smoother midrange,soundstage is much more open. The Aragon is of a true industrial build quality with superior sonic characteristics. |
Thanks for all the responses. Right now, I am still doing research, and don't expect to buy an amplifier until perhaps November. I know what I WANT to get (a YBA 2), but will probably need to reduce my expectations (or wait until tax time). I am leaning towards the Marsh A400s Power Amp, it seems to be a pretty well respected unit, and I like what I've heard of it (although it was NOT with Hales Revelation 3 speakers). The Marsh amp is just inside my proposed budget (Max $2000 US), but I will listen to the PS Audio HCA-2 and the Proceed HPA-2 amplifiers before I make any firm decision. |
Audiogoon is absolutely correct. The Hales are a difficult load, so tubes are probably out the window, particularly in your price range.
I used to own a pair of Hales Concept 2s (predecessor to the Transcendence line) and had GREAT success driving them with a Classe DR-9. You can find these used on AudiogoN for about $1,200. As an upgrade path, you could later pick up another one and bridge them. In stereo, it's 100 wpc, but like the Ayre also mentioned here, it's super high-current. In mono form, these amps deliver 400 wpc and the power doubles as the impedence halves. The DR-9 was famously paired with Apogee Divas back in the day. Most consider the DR-9 and DR-3VHC to be the very finest amplifiers Classe ever produced.
Best of all, the sound is very smooth. The phrase "iron fist in a silk glove" pretty well sums it up. |
Ritteri
Agree 8008 is very good, especially when you consider the value. Just a combo I believe would be in the ear bleed category due to the tweeter in the Hales. JMHO |
Aragon 8008 is a great amp. You can get a mint condition 8008BB for under $1500. |
I would suggest a Musical Design amp,,,I think there is a used D-150 and D-140 for sale,,,,I have had these amps thru speakers similar to the Hales, and they match up very well... |
RIGHT NOW ON AUDIOGON YOU CAN GET A PROCEED HPA-2 (MANUFACTURED BY MADRIGAL, WHO ALSO MAKE MARK LEVINSON) FOR UNDER $1700. I HAVE HEARD THIS AMP THROUGH THE HALES. THIS IS A GREAT COMBO. EXTREMELY WELL BUILT, TRUE DUAL-MONO DESIGN. POWER TO BURN, PLUS VERY SMOOTH. THESE SPEAKERS NEED POWER. 86DB (1 WATT AT 1 METER) SENSITIVITY. WELL WORTH THE EXTRA MONEY. ALSO RECOMMEND CJ MF2300/2300A. CAN PROBABLY FIND A LITTLE CHEAPER THAN PROCEED, BUT I THINK THE PROCEED IS A LITTLE BETTER AMP, JUST A LITTLE.I SAW A 2300 ON AUDIOGON ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO WITH AN ASKING PRICE OF $1295. CANT GO WRONG. |
Hales can sound edgy with electronics (in the worst sense of the word) that are same, though they are not necessarily that way. Careful with the 8008, don't know the others. Ayre and CJ are definitely the direction I would look. |
Conrad Johnson MF2250/2500A used.
Chuck |
get a big nad with lots of dynamic headroom..the hales will sound great......put the extra money into music |
Look at a used Ayre V-3 power amp. Very strong and musical. I have three of these beauties. There is one for sale here on Agon. Not mine, however. |
