Vintage Japanese DD Consult and Suggestions Please


A little over five years ago, I worked with Chris Harban at Woodsong Audio to craft a bespoke Garrard 301 for me and my my vinyl collection. I had previously had a Dual of some model followed by a Thorens TD 160 with a nice Ortofon Black MM cart. The 301 was completely restored featuring a heavy mahogany plinth, Ortofon AS 309S tonearm, and Ortofon SPU head. I have completely blown away with how this table has sounded and looked. The sound was huge, rich, and detailed...everything that I heard that idle drives from this era should sound.

Unfortunately, some family health matters have forced me to liquidate some much revered audio gear, and recently placed my Garrard 301 up for sale. I do not wish to be without a way to continue to enjoy my collection and would somehow like to come as close to the performance of the 301 for around $2500 or so. 

My considerations (thus far)for this change are as follows,

Denon DP80

Technics SP10 Mk 2 or 3

Technics SL 1000 Mk 2

Luxman PD 444

As you can see, I am curious about the more vintage looks and sound of the direct drives coming out of Japan, and am hoping to glean from this audience which of these units may provide me with the same (or as close to)level of enjoyment that my 301 has done. Thoughts on tonearm and MC cartridges pairings with each would be helpful.

I am not really considering anything belt driven at this time for whatever reason, or a deck that veers away from a traditional turntable aesthetic.

If it helps, the rest of the signal chain is as follows.

Aric Audio Motherlode preamp

Manley Steelhead phono pre

Aric Audio Transcend EL 34 push/pull amp

Klipsch Forte iv speakers.

 

I am grateful in advance for your thoughts on this matter.

 

 

laaudionut

br3098, Can you enlighten me further on the Teac 400N?  I had never heard of it until you mention it here.  I found a blurb on Vinyl Engine that sounds like ad copy, not a sincere critique, but the description of the motor is impressive.  On the other hand, VE says the whole turntable weighs 8.5 Kg.  One can argue the case for light weight and stiffness in a Rega, but in my experience, DD TTs want high mass. Anyway, I would like to know more.

As to Sony Biotracer, I am sure those work fine, but their flagship was the PSX-9, as shown here http://www.thevintageknob.org/sony-PS-X9.html

I can't tell you much more than what you read. For some reason, Teac never really marketed these units, which were designed to compete in the same space as the SP-10. I bought one about 30 years ago from a company that had several new units in a warehouse. I played it for a while and then sold it, something I've regretted it ever since.

I doubt that you'll ever find a used PS-X9. I don't believe they they were ever plentiful nor were they imported to the U.S. I had a PS-X75 that I used a backup deck for years when my grandkids were around. As I recall I paid $400 for it and it was pretty bombproof. Sounded great too. But the arm locator sensor on many have gone belly up and I'm not sure how easily they can be repaired,

 

I have and use a Teac TN-400 that I bought 45 years ago or so.  The table was only on the market for a year or two as there was a patent dispute over the Magnefloat assembly which Teac lost.  Warehoused units were sold off pretty cheaply at that time and occasionally still show up for sale in NOS boxes, since most of them were sold as platter units only without plinths.

I have always liked this table and it has given me trouble-free performance.  That being said, I recently found a second unit in-box for sale and snapped it up but the new one, which appears to be unused, has a speed control issue and runs fast.  I have not yet looked into the problem but hope that it turns out to be relatively minor to repair.

I can't comment on the Teac relative to the other tables discussed in this thread, but mine has kept me from looking for anything else (dd) for a long time.

Bill

@pryso  Thank You for your contact, unfortunately I can't reply through the private mail as I can't access mails on this forum. 
Your mail sent was seen in my personal email account.

Making a contact through a private mail is fine, I assisted a selection of Gon Members over my period of membership through their contacting me privately.

A Plinth Design for a TT and a Structure Material used for a  TT Plinth are two different entities. 

A Plinth Design can incorporate a selection of materials, which might have different Intrinsic Properties that impact on a attractive coefficient of expansion (CTE) in heat or humidity being maintained.
Rate at which Shrinkage occurs to a material is also a consideration when moisture is absorbed.
A design can also be one where there is not too much thought in place, to show there is a discipline used to optimise the Critical Geometry.  
When the above design is encountered as an incorporation into the Structure for a TT. It is inevitable that optimised set up will be quite difficult to maintain and a sonic will become compromised as the interfaces become lesser in their optimisation.

Choosing a Material as a Structure to support a TT can speedily remove some of the above concerns, if the correct materials are selected and used that are with intrinsic properties that make them noticeably stable in a cross a selection of environmental conditions, the need to be overly concerned about optimised set up conditions being maintained is much lesser of a consideration over time.

The next to consider is what is the want from the individual for the selected Plinth Material:
1, Is it selected to function as a Massey Material ?
2, Is it selected to be a Light Weight ?
3, Is it selected using the Materials Intrinsic Properties, supported through data, that shows the materials has a very desirable Damping / Dissipation for managing Mechanical Energies being transferred or alternatively managing local environmental kinetic energies being transferred ?

Each material type that can be adopted from the sections above will have their own unique sonic, as a result of how energies transferred though the material are managed and how the material itself is isolated from the local ambient environment energies being transferred.

How does a individual discover which id their most attractive material to have maintained as a Structure to support a TT?
In my case trial through experiencing many different materials as a Plinth,  where a small selection of trials were carried out experiencing the same TT > Tonearm > Cart' in the same system on the same supporting structure for the system.

My selection for a Plinth Material and ongoing investigations into how to best attach a TT mechanical system to the Plinth, does not indicate I have discovered something that is ubiquitous to all tastes. I am very confident I have discovered a methodology that is the most transparent in use that I have been familiarised with, and that this is most favourable to my tastes for a sonic.

I can't inform an individual where their journey stops when it comes to getting on Bus and venturing into selecting a Colouration is most attractive to them, in this subject, most are very unique in what their preference is. 
Each individual has their own stop where they get of the Bus.

Linn as an example has produced the Bedroc using a material type that is becoming more and more popular in use from a Commercial Entity or a enthusiast DIY Builder.
This material used in a Linn TT Design be a step further in managing ambient energy transferal, Linn have remained on the Bus and are inquisitive, in my opinion, they found a material that has attractive qualities, even though they overlooked some of the most attractive properties in what a structure should be when selecting the material.  

My own experiences to date has lead me to using Resin Impregnated Densified Wood Board Material as the Plinth to support a TT, this material has excelled used with DD TT's, especially those from a Vintage Japanese era..  
 

The Link is a New Brand of Material to me, but in keeping with the design for a Densified Wood that I am adopting to use.

Call up the Brand, there is a vast range of Colour Finishes, making the end aesthetic a very attractive option.

0.7mm veneers with a Compression to 0.35mm makes a extremely nice board.

It can not be found in the info if the Structure selected for Board has the Plies/Veneers in Cross Grain orientation.

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