Trying to find someone with a cable cooker in Metro NY

Unfortunately, it cannot be explained to everyone.

How so, glubby? (This ought to be good) 

geoffkait,

I just wanted to point out that you missed the whole point with the logic you applied to nitrogen vs. hydrogen.

glupson

"If -300 F (nitrogen) is real good wouldn’t -423 F be a whole lot better?"

If 70% ethanol is real good for disinfection, wouldn’t 95% be a whole lot better?

There must be a candidate or two on audiogon forums who just got intrigued by your idea and will report the result.

>>>>>>That response probably goes in the file labeled, He felt obliged to say something just to keep his name out there OR

Didn’t he just miss the whole point?

"If -300 F (nitrogen) is real good wouldn’t -423 F be a whole lot better?"

If 70% ethanol is real good for disinfection, wouldn't 95% be a whole lot better?

There must be a candidate or two on audiogon forums who just got intrigued by your idea and will report the result.

HaHaHa I wonder how the cookers would break these in?

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis92cei

The cable cooker will not work with MIT network boxes. The network box does not allow for the signal to properly flow through the cables. I know this because I have had this problem with MIT cables.

OK, who’s going to step up and get his/her audio cables cryo’d in a liquid hydrogen cryo cooler? If -300 F (nitrogen) is real good wouldn’t -423 F be a whole lot better? 🥶

Skeptics have a long history of humor. 🤡

There’s a skeptic born every second who dreams of being somebody. 

" Just send me all your cables and $500 and I'll bathe them in himalayan salt, freeze them to -10c during the next full moon and send them back. Guaranteed to give you your money's worth. "
 NO wait, send them to me and I will do that and send them back in an embossed gold lame box. For an extra $500 I will personalize your gold lame box with your name and date of birth of your super audio conductors!!!

Just send me all your cables and $500 and I'll bathe them in himalayan salt, freeze them to -10c during the next full moon and send them back. Guaranteed to give you your money's worth. 

HaHaHa I wonder how the cookers would break these in?
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis92cei

" Fake concern on your part. Fake skepticism, too. The sarcasm appears to be real, however. No offense to you personally. "
  Well you got me on the concern part as I don't have any. What I do have is a fascination for the comic theater of the absurd audio presents at times as otherwise normal people go off the rails. Skepticism is real too as things that can't be proven except by opinions has no value to me and you bet the sarcasm is real. No offense taken by the way.

  Later this month I am going to a teaching session by the chief engineer for Klipsch Speakers. Day one is "Why Paul Klipsch did what he did" and day two is "Why Roy Delgado does what he does". Roy is the guy behind some fabulous equipment and best in class cinema all horn systems which sound terrific no matter where you use them. These are the kinds of people to listen too as far as I am concerned and he has no time for snake oil like cable burners.
  But still I get fascinated with the power of advertising and the thought there is a sucker born every minute. People actually believe this stuff and so just like car wrecks I look as I drive by.

Very few if any cable manufacturers burn in their cables which is perfectly understandable unless they were trying to win contests. Aren’t they all trying to win contests? 🤡 They miss an opportunity by not doing so, since when exhibitors use brand new cables of some brand or another at high end shows they shoot themselves in the foot. It wouldn’t take too much effort to incorporate burn-in into the whole manufacturing process, just like they do with cryogenic treatment and directionality. Bob Crump of TG Audio fame burned in his cables and cords for 30 days on a M.O.B.I.E. Maximum Overdrive Burn-In Equipment device, which I got from Bob on some trade deal we did along with his speaker cables.

I’ve been using the XLO CD for years.
I’ve used it to burn in cables, tubes and equipment
It works, Right now I’m burning a couple of new tubes in my preamp.
CD player to preamp. preamp on, amps off.
Depending on the item, I’ve heard a difference in 24 hours.
I’ll burn in a cable for 20 -30 days. Track 8 on repeat.
Morrow audio has a blurb about burning in cables, It’s their "Cable owners manual". List the sequence for burning in cables - what equipment you need on or off to burn in cables in the system. Scroll down to the "break in" section. Talks about their cables but the methodology is the same.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0196/5791/6480/files/Cable_owners_manual.pdf?4458
Have a digital cable coming from them this week. I’ll be burning it in for at least 20days --- 480 hours. I find 500 plus hours starts to get cables to a good enveloping soundstage.

"Not quite sure what this implies..."

Nobody knows, but it gets repeated quite often around here. Fake wisdom, or something like that.

On the other hand, chasing improvement by whatever is being discussed here is a very benign hobby. Nobody gets hurt. Unless you dip equipment in liquid nitrogen and do not have appropriate gloves. That is where the line may need to be drawn. And it has been, at least on this thread.

Fake concern on your part. Fake skepticism, too. The sarcasm appears to be real, however. No offense to you personally.

" You know, there’s such as thing as being overly skeptical. There’s also fake skepticism. Thanks for being serious. 🤡 "
  Not quite sure what this implies but the skepticism is not fake. I for the life of me can't understand the pursuit of fallacies with large amounts of money on items that would never pass a true blind test.
   I suppose a set of those nice beeswax impregnated fuses would do nicely and then a new super duper power cord and then new house wiring and outlet boxes and of course a true balanced output generator isolated from the utility power grid since you can't replace the signal degrading conductors from the power plant to the house.

I was not that far off with my "art installation in the local park" idea. It is a park and it is local for someone.


https://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state-parks/blog/the-lure-of-kiptopeke

Brer Rabbit and Tar Baby episode 12 currently underway. 🤡

...Day One of wire in the freezer ...

...don't know, can't say - happened in what feels like another lifetime ago

Huh, I wonder what he did with unsuccessful attempt. Some kind of art installation in the local park?

... using poured concrete; he ended up with moulded fiberglass...

insearchofprat,

What option did he have to abandon?

No matter what either of you (or anyone by that matter) say: do whatever it is and evaluate the result. Reminds me of the guy who built a boat hull out of concrete - he got a result which narrowed down of his future options...

...OK NOW KIDS - settle down...

geoffkait,

I am quite independent. Thanks for the compliment.

I do hope that insearchofprat finds fun in her/his experiment. Low investement and quick results. Whatever the results may be.

You are to be commended for recommending simple and easy approach.

mahlman96
It is pure nonsense but if you pay me enough I will buy one and cook your stuff for you and charge accordingly. Since you want to waste money on spurious things why not send it to me?

Being serious here for a moment. What makes you think this is even a real thing to do except reviews from high end audio sales people or columnists with conflicts of interest who get rewarded for kind words about silly things? I swear there is more snake oil in audio cables than any other aspect of audio. True Golden Ear 1% nonsense.

>>>>>>You know, there’s such as thing as being overly skeptical. There’s also fake skepticism. Thanks for being serious. 🤡

Good...for...you...glubson. You’re ..very...in-de-pen-dent!  🤡

geoffkait,

"You call flipping burgers at Wendy’s a career?"

Yes, I would call it a career.

It is pure nonsense but if you pay me enough I will buy one and cook your stuff for you and charge accordingly. Since you want to waste money on spurious things why not send it to me?
  Being serious here for a moment. What makes you think this is even a real thing to do except reviews from high end audio sales people or columnists with conflicts of interest who get rewarded for kind words about silly things? I swear there is more snake oil in audio cables than any other aspect of audio. True Golden Ear 1% nonsense.

I am not sure if I believe in cable cookers.......But some people do and who am I to argue (at least until I saw the price of commercial cable cookers are they kidding me?)
I don't know if the OP wants to burn in speaker wire or interconnects but I made a DIY interconnect cooker for free from some spare parts in my junk box and a little wire. I took an old RCA jack (with four plugs) and wired one pair of the RCAs to the speaker output from the amp and the other pair to some banana outlets so I could plug in my speakers. If everything is wired correctly when you plug in your interconnect it completes the circuit and you can play your speakers thru your interconnects. You don’t have to play it loud (and you shouldn’t) but even when you can barely hear the music in the room you are putting 100-1000x more power thru the interconnects than a line level output.

This is kind of hard to describe but I posted some pictures on the Polk forum a while back that should clear things up. Interestingly there wasn’t the least bit of interest there. Either they don’t believe in cookers or they already spent their $1000 for one.

https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/187224/diy-interconnect-cooker#latest

Well it's gonna be interesting to see what happens to the vinyl jacket around the 12g solid copper wire core. Package is in the freezer - should be able to give some feedback early next week...

Thank you to all for your input -  but a special thank you to geoffkait for putting up with my newbee-ness and basic questioning...

You call flipping burgers at Wendy’s a career?

geoffkait,

Thanks for clarifying it but do not worry. I have a different career.

No offense, glubson, but you really need to work on your material. You know, to be a clown you’re supposed to be funny. 🤡

geoffkait,

"Yet I’ve never dipped anything in liquid nitrogen. How can that be, glupson?"

Someone beat you to that way of making yourself seem cool and "out-of-box" thinker.

If I had to guess, it was because you had barely heard about liquid nitrogen at that point. Nothing wrong with that, no need to be embarassed.

insearchofprat,

I really have no experience with cooling audio equipment but am glad you decided to skip liquid nitrogen. It is a bit cumbersome dealing with it. However, it does look cool when you pull things out.

If you are inclined to try, freezer in your kitchen seems like a much more acceptable idea.

Regardless of the recommended way of cooling, theories suggested in some of the posts above leave more questions than answers. You make all the atoms, electrons, or whatever else, settle in their preferred spots. Sound should become divine and maybe it will, based on theories. However, your cable is likely not only metal conductor. It may have some shielding, jacket, whatever else around it. That material is almost certainly not the same as conductor wire and may react slightly different than the metal. What happens then? Is it possible that it will influence the final sound in a negative way? If you look at any of the cable threads, there are heated arguments about all the aspects of cable architecture and then, when it comes to cooling, even contributors to those cable threads seem to forget that there is more to a cable than wire.

Enjoy your experiments, but think critically.

You put it in the freezer where the temperature ramps down (temperature per unit time) to -10 F, in about an hour depending on what “it” is, then the temperature dwells (constant) at -10 F for two days. Then the temperature ramps up 🔝 slowly to room temperature by stages, first stage in the fridge, second stage in the room. The reason you do not put things directly into liquid nitrogen and to change temperature slowly is to avoid thermal shock. 🥶

... I understand the " ...ramp down slowly..." ( in the frig) but sorry to be so dense - I'm confused by your terms " ... dwell for a couple days..."
Please clarify what that means. Thanks!

Do CDs too? What other ends-of-the-bell-curve-ideas have I not heard of ? - I mean, things that can make a diff at minimal cost...

PLEASE OFFER - don't anybody be shy...

You are very brave. 🤡 You only have to keep cables or CDs, LPs or whatever in the freezer for 48 hours. No need to make things more complicated than they need to be. No reason to wait 60 days to get results. That’s the advantage of home freezing. Then let them warm up gradually by placing them in the main refrigerator section for 4 hours. It’s just like -300 cryo. You ramp down slowly, dwell for a couple days then ramp up slowly.

I've got an extra set of homemade speaker cables (12g, solid core copper twisted 2 wires, with bare wire ends) - so I'll toss them in the freezer by the chicken, let it rest there for 30 days - then pull it out and treat it like a new cable (after it defrosts!), giving it a break-in of at least 24hr x 30 days - and see if I can hear a diff from the one playing now...

Nixing the cable cooker idea - sounds like most people with cable cookers don't use them often, and don' t even recommend to their customers that they do it...

Excellent, excellent.  I am pretty sure I already answere3d your questions in this thread a couple of days ago, maybe it was yesterday. to whit, all thermodynamic exchanges are permanent and cryogenic or freezing treatments of audio stuff is not completely explained by the usual physical changes that occur for metals and plastics, etc. It's easy to explain why materials are made less brittle, stronger, more durable, stiffer by cryo. But -10 or -20 F home freezer won't be able to do that. So it must do something else, no?

geoffkait, glupson

I did not know anything about cryo, but now have gleaned from the cryo treater I spoke with, that he treats items with a cloud of gaseous nitrogen, not liquid...

If cryo is "freezing", I'd assume that the colder the better - but now have been introduced to home freezing as an option  - ?. Treatment at home I''m assuming, would be something that needs to be redone on a regular basis, but cryo since it goes so much more negative temp, is more lasting or even permenant ?

I have been using cryo for more than 20 years for all manner of audio related stuff. Someone has to be first. 🔝 I was also one of the first to use home freezing. First in war, first in peace 🕊 , first in cryo 🥶. First in the hearts ♥️ of his countrymen. Yet I’ve never dipped anything in liquid nitrogen. How can that be, glupson? Or did your head just explode? 🤯

An ordinary man has no means of Deliverance. 🏹

geoffkait,

I am not sure what Deliverance is but, at least in this thread, I may not be the only one with limited knowledge.

Anyway, insearchofprat will decide which way to proceed and she/he will be happy for that. I just thought I would put a little less infatuated view of the proposed options for her/him to consider.

As the hillbilly says to the city slicker in Deliverance, you don’t know nothin’.

geoffkait,

Try to read my last post again. Or you can try millercarbon’s a few posts above it. Then say nobody is suggesting dipping anything in liquid nitrogen.

Stubborn I may be, but when it comes to dipping things in liquid nitrogen, I am not a newbee.