too bad Audiogon seems to have morphed to fussy, picky buyers

yeah, no worries - I never give it away, I'm never a desparate seller and- in my exp its the very people who grind you, nag you, complain and are looking to steal something at a ridiculous price that are the worst to deal with- you can never sell it cheap enough to make them happy. The best buyers are ones who buy without a lot of haggling, pay a reasonable price and know they're buying a pre-owned (and not brand new) product. Same thing when I was in the car business.

No, the market favors the buyer, and the last 4-5 years this has developed into a big time buyer’s market.

Good luck putting demands on a buyer returning an item. Unless you got them to pay with a check or money order, they are in control.
PayPal will take your money back before the buyer even ships the unit back to you!
No return shipping, no extra 10% restocking/advertising, nothing.


Great deals out there to be had if you are a buyer, just bite your lip and give it away if you are the seller.....or just keep it. ;^)

I'm not so sure it favors buyers but that buyers are increasingly demanding and used to getting their way, same thing happened on ebay and to some extent ebay encouraged this behavior. I found it odd that as a seller with 150 sales and 100% satisfaction I"d have my payment funds held until the buyer indicated they were "satisfied" with the purchase- even though the buyer had 10 transactions to their name. I would have thought that the process would favor the party with the highest number of completed and satisfactory transactions. I think it's a combination of demanding buyers and sellers feeling bullied and not wanting to get a bad review by a demanding buyer. Some times it's better to take the hit, take the product back and post bad reviews for the difficult buyer I think. Perhaps noting that if a return happens then the buyer needs to pay for the shipping or the shipping and ten percent of the selling price etc. to discourage buyer's remorse return attempts.

Wow! I’m so sorry to hear this! I’ve been on audiogon since 2001 and have engaged in many purchases and sales, but I have not sold anything in several years and only made one purchase recently, as I have been very satisfied with my rig and have purchased some gear from my local high-end retailer.

As a buyer and seller, I always tried to treat people as though they were a personal friend. I guess that is out the window now, if this is the consensus. Of course, this is a self-selected group (bad seller experiences). I wonder if it is a more general feelng?

and 3 of those sales went to hell.  Like I said, never ever again.

@stereo5 , what a difference 6 weeks can make, huh Bob?
Here is a post of yours about the joys of selling in early March, on a thread about the cost of advertising on Audiogon:

03-04-2018 4:55pmI posted 4 for sale ads yesterday here on Audiogon. All 4 items sold in less than 24 hours. The fact that Audiogon has the largest amount of viewers is what enabled me to sell the items very quickly. I happily paid my 2% fees per item. Flea Bay not only charges 10%, but they also keep your money in escrow until the buyer receives the item. I won't do business there.

I have quite a few pieces that I should be selling, as I do not use.
However, it's such a hassle, and in the end, you practically give it away anyway. So I don't bother to post anymore.
Who knows? Maybe a year or two from now I will use some of it again?

I just can't bring myself to deal with buyers anymore.
The used audio market has been trending down for about 5 years now, probably mostly due to the economy.
The poor market has certainly helped to slow down my buying too.
Not much fun here anymore......

Cheers,
John

I take the product back immediately and refund rather than give concessions. I can either keep it or sell it again at my leisure, I'm never selling because I need the money so there's no pressure, just don't like dealing with the new car buyer mentality but want it at the used car price stuff....

@cowan217.......................

I feel the same way and my last 3 transactions as a seller were  transactions from hell.  I am done selling equipment as it is too much of a hassle.  Then there was the guy who bought a $1970.00 Magnum Dynalab FM tuner from me for $400.00 and then after using it a couple of days, decides he doesn't like it and either wants his money back, or wants more money off the tuner (claimed I sold him a defective piece).  Never again!

I'd rather trade the product in at a fair price with a reputable dealer who I'll establish a long term relationship with....

I can barely type it once,let alone say it 3times in a row.

I’m glad that I already sold all the gear that I want to, 45k,and going fwd I will only be buying end game components and will no longer be stimulating the Industry’s with my coins.

Best of luck to you,
Kenny.

Whoa! Try saying that fast three times in a row. 

Fussy. Picky. Hand-holding.
Blame it on the Millennials!