Picked up a Lehman audio black cube SE used on flee bay for 450 shipped. Consider it a real good value.
Thoughts on best budget phono pre-amp under $400?
Looking for opinions and thoughts on best phono pre-amp under $400 used.
Will be used with a ClearAudio emotion 4 table and ClearAudio Artist V2 mm cart.
Ones I have looked at so far are Vincent pho-8, Creek obh-15, Lounge Audio mk3.
Hopefully get some solid advice and suggestions from actual users.
Listen mainly to modern rock and some classic rock, think A7X, Yes, Rush, Audioslave etc.
Thank you in advance and happy thanksgiving to all!
Will be used with a ClearAudio emotion 4 table and ClearAudio Artist V2 mm cart.
Ones I have looked at so far are Vincent pho-8, Creek obh-15, Lounge Audio mk3.
Hopefully get some solid advice and suggestions from actual users.
Listen mainly to modern rock and some classic rock, think A7X, Yes, Rush, Audioslave etc.
Thank you in advance and happy thanksgiving to all!
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I’ve been using two Grado PH-1 phono preamps, upgraded with Vishay Naked Foil 100k resistors. High and Low gain switch available, so can be used for low output MI or some MC too. They are a bit shy in low register, but for $350 used it can be a very good choise. Retail is US was aboyt $500, i think it’s discontinued series. Looks nice in this mahogany wood boxes. with vishay resistors on top, amazing for MM cartridges: https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14732345_1419850324699797_8191309061289395889_n.jpg?oh... upgraded one for a friend in addition to my pair: https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15940433_1538037842881044_7259495916219819_n.jpg?oh=bc... |
Many thanks to all who posted. I had never heard of the majority of the products mentioned but far wiser now. Going of your input, subsequent research and Als capacitance note I decided to buy the dynavector p75 mk3 from the ad here on agon that a poster was kind enough to provide. Now just have to wait until its arrival and start playing with different settings until my ears are happy. Again thanks to all! |
Lots and lots of great choices for sure, which just leaves me even more confused...lol.Just to add to the confusion :-) your cartridge has a particularly low recommended load capacitance of 100 pf. Since that value represents the sum of the input capacitance of the phono stage and the capacitances of the phono cable and tonearm wiring (as well as the small amounts of capacitance of the connectors that are involved) it can be hard to achieve. I wouldn’t worry about exceeding that value by say 50 or 100 pf, but for example the AcousTech PH-1 that was suggested has an input capacitance for moving magnet cartridges of 200 pf (220 pf for the PH-1P), which together with the other capacitances I mentioned will most likely result in a total that is more than 3x as much as the recommendation. The result is likely to be an over-emphasis of the mid-treble combined with some degree of rolloff of the upper treble. I haven’t looked into the other models that have been suggested, and I’m not particularly familiar with phono stages in your price range, but I would suggest looking for a phono stage having an input capacitance in the area of 50 to 100 pf, or even lower if possible. If that parameter is not specified for a particular model, check with the manufacturer. Good luck. Regards, -- Al |
Lots and lots of great choices for sure, which just leaves me even more confused...lol. I have to say I am an occasional vinyl listener as main source now is mostly Tidal or ripped music from my Bluesound Vault 2. But when I do listen I want it to be as good as my budget allows. I am still pretty impressed with the little Azur 551p I am using tbh, and looked up its replacement the Cambridge Audio cp2 which the needledoctor has on sale for 179 free shipping brand new! Anybody have any experience with that unit at all? |
My friend has a Budgie (very nice). Be aware that your cartridge needs at least 5 mv of output. The gain is on the low side ! http://parksaudiollc.com/budgiepreamp.html |
I think if this guy would take $400, it’s a no brainer. Even if you have to stretch your budget a bit, it's worth it. https://www.audiogon.com/listings/phono-mk3-2017-11-09-preamplifiers I’ve had a P75 that I use as a back up in a really expensive vinyl front end. When the P75 is in the system, it’s always shocking how good it is. |
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Both the Budgie and the Vista models look interesting and both in budget even at new prices. Undecided if I truly need the ability to tailor load and gain but nice to have the option. Another one I came across was the iFi. At present I am using an ultra budget cambridge audio 551p which with my cart and table actually sounds pretty darn good to my ears. |
For rock I don't think you want battery powered phono because you might lose some dynamics, especially inexpensive phono. If you can find Acoustech, that's what I use for different kinds of music including jazzrock, you are very unlikely to do better. If you cannot, I would probably get the best Lehmann I could afford. |
In the lower price arena I have owned the Nighthawk, Parks Audio Budgie, and Vista Audio. I prefer the Parks and Vista to the Nighthawk. More musical, less analytical. Both are right at your budget, and IMO both perform way beyond their price points. FWIW, my local audio buddies who also heard all three had the same preferences. http://parksaudiollc.com/budgiepreamp.html http://vista-audio.com/products.htm |
Ray Samuels Audio F-117 Nighthawk Phono Stage. You should be able to find one in your price range used. http://www.raysamuelsaudio.com/products/f-117.html |