Thiel Owners

Happy Friday! ALL

Happy Friday! ALL.

Good to see you again- stringreen

Happy Listening!

obigny...yes Thiels are full range, I would use subs anyway - even 2. Its not that you’re adding booming bass, its that you’re evening the presentation, and letting your amps coast. You’ll be amazed at how the mids clear up.

Re: Nordost....I think they will be a poor match.  I personally like Wireworld, but each cable sounds different...you should choose your own flavor.

I wish I could join you in all of that fun!

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I will have the Ypsilon demo with my Thiels on the feb 25.
In april i will try to go audition the Technical Brain integrated at my distributor's place.
Also might want to go audition the SGM 2015 server + Aqua Formula DAC in Monaco.
I will also go to the Munich show this year, lots to audition there.

TY- thieliste

no that CH Precision is crossed off of your list, what is next?

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The only 2 French people owning CH gear both want to sell their Accuphase A200 monos to purchase one CH M1.

Many more than we have in France that's for sure lol.
A certain number au audiophiles in Texas own CH gear or even full systems.
A member of WBF from Dallas has a full CH system on Wilson Alexias.
Onother member from Italy has a huge CH system.

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Good to see you- thieliste

I wonder how many, if any, full CH Precision system(s) are here in the U.S.A. ?

Hi guys, i went to the CH Precison demo last saturday, very impressive gear and spectacular sound, i liked it very much but it might not be everyone's taste.
The question is would a CH system match with Thiels ?
If one day the dealer makes another demo, i will bring my Thiels.
Unfortunately the dealer told me he cannot afford to have a full CH system on demo in his store all year long.
The only person who has a full system is the distributor.

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oblgny-

how did your visit to Audio Den work out?

Very nice! oblgny

Under the older system, I know that there were (3) levels of representation
(Reference, Reference XL & OPUS).  The meaning is that under the "reference" level, the dealer/retailer did not carry the "reference xl nor opus".

At "reference xl" no Opus cabling. Finally, the OPUS level offered every cable/cord down to the Link 100.  Enjoy the visit.

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Good to see you- cadence151

I posted a comment and suggestion on your thread.  Keep me posted and Happy Listening!

Jafant...
I am actually going to stop into the Den tomorrow to see if they've upped their vinyl selection.  I'll inquire as to how deep they go into Transparent. 

Hope they don't have anything that I just gotta have...

Hi,
I am looking for a new preamp for my Thiel 7.2s and would like to invite all the Thiel enthusiasts in this thread to come join the fun at this thread I created in the preamp section.

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/pass-labs-xp-30-vs-krell-evo-202

Yes, I have been following the Winter storm- William.
It is good to kick back to some Jazz music after shoveling all of that snow!

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Good to see you- oblgny

I have seen Audio Den pop up in various discussions in other forums.
The shop seems to have an excellent reputation. Do you know the level
of Transparent Audio products?  Does the store carry all cabling up to Reference Level?  OPUS level?

By the way, in case anyone was interested in learning if one can upgrade a Pass X150.5 to a 150.8, as I inquired with Pass directly, the answer is no. 

According to Pass they are completely different. 

I almost cried. 

But what the hell...that's the only thing that would make me give up my 150.5. 

Laughing, Jafant...
 
Audio Den is just around the corner from me - literally, a leisurely 15 minute walk from my house when the sun is shining. They became a Transparent retailer last fall. I'll be moving up the line at an equally leisurely pace this year since everything else is in synch. 

I truly haven't reason that makes sense to change a thing at the moment. I spent this weekend listening to Bill Frisell and some other excellent old school jazz and - wow. We got dumped 18" of snow so the opportunity presented itself after much shoveling and rock salt. 

Funny thing is that I just leased a new vehicle on Friday and I have to admit that one of my requirements was that it could accomodate that elusive pair of CS3.6 that I keep looking for. Or another Thiel model.  I'm obviously not done buying stuff, but until another up-the-line model of Thiel comes along - stars and finances in perfect alignment - my 3.5's remain my reference point. 

I am not sure about Nordost being a sonic match for Thiel speakers- thieliste ?

I have not had a demo of proper on this combo.  I will say that most Nordost has a silver aspect to it, based on my CS 2.4se loudspeakers, Silver is not suggested- too revealing or "bright".  I hope if someone out there is using Nordost cabling w/ his Thiel speakers, he will chime in.

I have only heard the Blue Heaven and Red Dawn models on JM Labs and
Pro Ac speakers w/ Naim and Bryston gear. These were different systems, different rooms and different dealers/retailers over the years.

Keep me posted if you get a chance to listen to this combo.
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Very nice! thieliste

I look forward in your report on the TB integrated.  Have you heard the DarTzeel ?

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Jafant do you think Nordost cable are good match for Thiels ?

I will be autioning the TB integrated probably in April.
Bob from WBF just purchased this int, after only 1.5 hours of listening he says it's way above his Dartzeel integrated, that's pretty surprising.
This aftenoon i'm going to the CH demo.
Take care guys.

The EU including Germany, is really building some outstanding gear right now.  Most of it does make here to America.  As always, there are some sweet cabling options, coming from this region of the world as well.

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TY- thieliste

I will look into those products. Have you heard them?

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jafant you should have a look at the Technical Brain integrated for your future reference system.
This beast can easily beat more than €30K worth of separates.
I should ne able to audition it in april.
For you guys in the US the distributor is http://www.covenantaudio.com/

Dave thanks for your input so if it's not for Thiel owners then too bad.
One other brand to look at perhaps is German brand Symphonic Line : http://www.symphonic-line.de/

I have read about David Berning gear over the years- thieliste.

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jafant or any of you guys did you ever hear about David Berning gear ?
http://davidberning.com/

Cabling should be Nordost

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Right On! thieliste

I have only read about CH Precision in the audio mags. Additionally, I have not heard the Sabrina either.  I did demo the Sophia and Sasha several times over the years.  I auditioned the SF The Toy speaker as well.

Have fun and report back w/ your thoughts / impressions. Most important, check out and inquire about cabling!

jafant i will be demoing a full CH Precision system this saturday at a local dealer's.
This 2 days show is organized by the distributor.
Speakers will be Wilson Sabrina and Sonus Faber Amati.
First time ever CH demo for me, i'm psyched.

2nd Note;
to date- I have not heard the newest Gen 5 cabling/cords.
All of my listening, auditioning, is based upon the MM2 series and quite frankly, I do not see any reason to move from MM2 to Gen 5.

Happy Listening!

Addendum:
after traveling the last 6 years and being in a position to visit more out-of-state (I have none in my home state) dealers/retailers, there exists a phenomenal difference between the middle tier and top tier for Transparent Cabling.  Specifically, moving up from the "super" into "reference/reference XL" territory is very, very sweet.

And moving further up from "reference" into OPUS...beyond description.

Never! stop spending -William,

I had to research my notes from my last system circa 2005.

I had all Transparent "super" IC and SP. This would be based upon the MM2
catalog from the same period.

I was very fortunate to have a Transparent dealer/retailer in New Orleans (Audio Resource) at that time.  The owner and myself struck up an instant friendship based on our love of Music and the High End.

He featured a generous in-home trial period on all gear and cabling.
I started out w/ the "Link 100/200" then the "music link". After hearing the "super" in my system, my listening space, it was all over. I saw no need to  move further up the chain.  My old system was Rotel separates, B&W 805N
Sony ES  player. Stock PC on the gear. Richard Gray Power Company
power/line conditioner, as I lived near, a Utility relay station for the city.
The system sounded outstanding after midnight to 6am.

Jafant...

As I've said before I start out low and move up the food chain as finances allow. I'm still with the base Music Link Transparents which are fine as is.  Frankly I don't believe that moving up will yield me any discernible improvements, at least in terms of $$ vs reward.  Not saying I won't but there's a limit to my madness. 

Jeepers, have I finally stopped spending?

Unmm, no!

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Good to see you- oblgny

I have been missing you guys?  Good to read about returning to your former glory!  No- I have not decided nor had an opportunity to demo any gear as of late.  It will be Spring before I can take any (pleasure) road trip.

Yes, Pass Labs is very much a modern sonic match for Thiel speakers.
I believe PL to be the best solid -state in 2017.    I certainly want to visit a dealer/retailer w/ both .5 and .8 amps in showroom(s) for direct comparisons.

Transparent cabling is a sonic match for Pass Labs.  You may be the first, that I have read about, using the brand on B.A.T. gear? 

What level(s) is/are your cables and cords?  I can tell you from experience that is gets "better" as you go up the product chain.  Hopefully, you have  a local dealer/retailer to assist.

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Welcome! junzhang10
Kimber Kable is a sonic match for Thiel loudspeakers. You have a very nice system listed.  Are pics posted in Virtual Systems?

Psssst...

I haven't chimed in for a while but I have continued to follow this thread as a matter of habit.  It's a good one.

Jafant...
If you haven't yet decided on your amplification I will once again offer how fine a match my Pass Labs X150.5 is with my CS3.5's,  I've settled into this setup for a while and every time I listen to music I am reminded how long it took it me to get "here".  There is a lot of HERE,  here,  too.  (Your 2.4's are different than my 3.5's,  but I would keep Pass in the consideration column.)

Man,  this just works.

Thiels make everything sound better than expected,  but when you find the sweetspot as I have with Pass and BAT,  it's difficult to want to better anything.  I'll be following your lead with cable experimenting once I know what my tax return will be.  (Currently still with 100% Transparent.)

Okay,  maybe a different preamp just for the hell of it.

But NO replacement for the Pass,  and NO replacement for the 3.5's.  Heck,  I'm contacting Pass right now to see if its possible to upgrade the amp to .8.

Just add another pair of Thiel 2.2 to my system. I am planning to do the SACD 5.0 multi-channel. Will need another singer 2.2 to complete the system.

Current system

Oppo 95 SACD player
Kimber PBJ
Sony TA-E9000ES muti-channel pre-amp
Kimber PBJ IC
Bryston 9B-ST 5 channel Amp
Kimber 8TC Speaker cable
Thiel 2.2 Front L/R Rear L/R
PSB C5 Center

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Good to see you- stringreen

tomic601,,,,,re: tilt - true, except if the floor is not level.   I have Vandersteens and Richard advised me to use a laser to correct any inaccuracies.  I found that Vandy's (Thiels I'm sure as well) snap into better focus if speakers are exactly in the same plain.  Let me know if you need the procedure.