What is says on the SR web site is that Graphene enhances the signal or words to that effect. Well, that’s true, but it doesn’t say how.Don't play dumb. We know better than that!
The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....
New SR BLUE fuse thread ...
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
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Admin Pretty sure that of late there had been serious attempts by some members to discuss why the fuses do what they do , like the last couple dozen posts. Then along comes a certain member and just reiterates all the same nonsense and using derogatory terms like snake oil, awesome foursome, fusers etc. That then just starts a cascading chain reaction and yes it does drag the thread down. Maybe that is where you should be looking....... |
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I think George must have been a trap door spider in his previous life. All he does is wait, lurk, and pounce at the slightest thing. It must be frustrating as all get out to have lost the argument so long ago and instead of going on with life, just repeats his mantras, catchphrases and the like to sooth his ego. Geoff, if it's not to help with vibrations, I can't hazard a guess. All the best, Nonoise |
"The Awesome Foursome" are at it again, waffling for the sake of boosting the thread. Waffel>https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/1548844 It beggars belief that sane person could think and have a discussion about this total "snake oil" "The Awesome Foursome" https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/miscellaneous-leader-blind_leading_the_blind-lead_t... Cheers George |
I would think it due to it’s ability to quell vibrations. As a conductor, if bonded to metals (covetics) it would able to withstand 1500º C before melting, defeating the the fuse wire’s intended purpose. Ceramics were a definite step up over glass and what SR uses is a step up from ceramics (if it is used over the ceramic tube). I could be wrong but I just did a quick read on covetics which eliminates the metal wire/graphene bonding question. All the best, Nonoise |
Geoff---so, what is the material we are warned via package insert not to remove, as seen and touched on the SR Black and Blue fuse bodies? Is it to seal in the conductive material, placed after assembly? I still say the obvious: since the fuse element itself is such a poor conductor, there must be an enhanced conduction pathway to supplement the element, which can still interrupt an overcurrent by melting. I haven’t heard any better ideas around here, and that is what is needed now for this thread to evolve. |
jafreeman geoffkait: “Not sure I go along with your detective work. Graphene would not enhance conductivity unless it were somehow incorporated into the fuse wire itself. Graphene on the fuse body could not (rpt not) enhance conductivity otherwise natural failure of the thin wire would not prevent disaster." Geoffkait Not sure either--just that, the graphene is the breakthrough in the SR Blacks and Blues and is visible in the fuse body, so just what is it doing there if not enhancing conductivity? I propose it does enhance conductivity, but if the fuse element melts, the graphene by itself is unable to conduct the over-current. Any other ideas? >>>>>Well, I don’t want to reveal the big secret in case SR wishes to keep it that way, but obviously what you see on the outside body of the Black Fuse and the Blue Fuse cannot be Graphene. So, the Graphene must be hidden. And the graphene is almost certainly not part of the wire. So it must be under the black or blue fuse wrapper, but not all the way across the fuse body because Graphene is highly conductive. Ooops! Did I just give it away? |
Could be. 🤔 All powders used in fuses are there simply to inhibit arcing after the wire melts. That, and it prolongs the life of the wire considerably as/if it goes through repeated/constant current surges. The powder is usually run of the mill, as long as it won't ignite. Let the speculators run amok. 🤺👟🤷🏻♂️ All the best, Nonoise |
jafreeman - Not sure either--just that, the graphene is the breakthrough in the SR Blacks and Blues and is visible in the fuse body, so just what is it doing there if not enhancing conductivity? I propose it does enhance conductivity, but if the fuse element melts, the graphene by itself is unable to conduct the over-current. Any other ideas?Might the graphene be present for no other reason than the manufacturer wishes to distinguish themselves from "ordinary"? And, in so doing, justify (in their view) charging the consumer more? |
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There will always be unenlightened people, many of whom never want to be educated. What education is it that is being missed in the case of the blue fuse? That people who buy them like them? That can be said about most anything people buy in this hobby. Education is acquiring knowledge. One gets ahead by applying that knowledge better than others. Opinions are useful data points but the problem is everybody has one. I tend to bank on the opinions of the demonstrated knowledgeable (and trustworthy)when making buying decisions, not on magic as indicated by "it just sounds good so who cares why". |
jafreeman As suggested by many, the SR fuses are better conductors than the stock variety, which provide nothing more for a conductor than a thin wire, intended to melt during current overload. The SR fuses will also supposedly fail at the same point of overheating, but until they do, they are better conductors by way of the graphene, e.g., incorporated into the solid fuse body--again, superior materials improve what you are hearing. >>>>Not sure I go along with your detective work. Graphene would not enhance conductivity unless it were somehow incorporated into the fuse wire itself. Graphene on the fuse body could not (rpt not) enhance conductivity otherwise natural failure of the thin wire would not prevent disaster. Cheers |
As suggested by many, the SR fuses are better conductors than the stock variety, which provide nothing more for a conductor than a thin wire, intended to melt during current overload. The SR fuses will also supposedly fail at the same point of overheating, but until they do, they are better conductors by way of the graphene, e.g., incorporated into the solid fuse body--again, superior materials improve what you are hearing. |
NoNoise I have to admire your tenacity, but why are you bothering to try to convince these two affected (in their own way) individuals? You'll never convince them. Ever. Trust me. Out of stubbornness they will never buy a blue fuse. You have the benefit of hearing the improvements they bring. You can go round and round in circles about AC current or return policies or whatever other spurious crap they come up with next till you're blue in the face, pun intended. You're giving them waaay more airtime than you ever would in real life. There will always be unenlightened people, many of whom never want to be educated. Here are two examples, with more waiting in the wings. And when you throw in lower intelligence and the "a" word into the mix, this could become a life mission. Spend your time enjoying your music instead, you'll be much better off in the long run rather than flogging this dead horse. Leave them to wallow in their own self-righteousness. |
I’m dizzy trying to make sense of it.Typical response from a $150 fuser, but direction change with an AC mains fuse does make sense to them, even though they just can’t grasp the fact that AC (Alternating Current) mains changes 60 x a second (60hz), they still think a mains fuse has directional-ability. Cheers George |
Don’t do this as paying up front conjures up "expectation bias" and many are "saying" it takes longer than 30days to so called "burn-in". If George’s statement is true - that SR demands payment prior to the time they also state said fuse takes to "burn-in", while also at the same time don’t allow/provide no questions asked return policy - clearly there would be "expectation bias" at play.Is this an example of "dizzying intellect"? Because I'm dizzy trying to make sense of it. Both have all the bravado of a "gotcha!" moment but it's nonsensical on it's face. Substitute practically anything else you might buy with the same return policy in play, have someone you know laugh in your face for buying under said policy, and you'd rightfully think him nuts. All the best, Nonoise |
georgehifi - Don’t do this as paying up front conjures up "expectation bias" and many are "saying" it takes longer than 30days to so called "burn-in", instead ask for a sample to be sent out and if you like it you’ll pay for it, if not you’ll send it back at their expense, some one else bought this up a while back with this solution. If George’s statement is true - that SR demands payment prior to the time they also state said fuse takes to "burn-in", while also at the same time don’t allow/provide no questions asked return policy - clearly there would be "expectation bias" at play. The aforementioned stated, why wouldn’t they allow a return policy whereby the purchaser pays some kind of "restocking" fee? Dare I write..... Said fuse could then be sold as "black and blue". 😆 |
Why do the fuses work? Superior metals? Added Graphene? Closer tolerances? This is either hocus pocus or you have some valid explanations. Please explain to just of one of your points what the "closer tolerances" are of the $150 SR fuse vs $2 Little Fuse. And how the SR fuse closer tolerances applies to better sound quality. And also show where this is explained on the SR website by them. There’s a 30 day, money back guarantee. Don’t do this as paying up front conjures up "expectation bias" and many are "saying" it takes longer than 30days to so called "burn-in". Instead ask for a sample to be sent out and if you like it you’ll pay for it, if not you’ll send it back at their expense, some one else bought this up a while back with this great solution, and this takes all things like "expectation bias" and "burn-in time" out of the equation. Cheers George |
Georgehifi ... You have beaten this horse to death, George. Why do the fuses work? Superior metals? Added Graphene? Closer tolerances? Personally, I really don't give a flying fig how they work .... only that they do. There's a 30 day, money back guarantee. Why not take advantage of it George, and try replacing all of the fuses in your electronics with the SR Blue fuses, then come back to this thread and post your results? I suspect that you wouldn't dare report any positive results no matter the degree of improvement. Why? Because like many of your ilk, you are more than likely just plain terrified of being wrong. Frank |
I can see how you would consider it vague if most of it goes right over your head. As to lack of any useful information, if you chose to ignore it, what more can one do? Any point that's brought up you simply ignore, gloss over, or discount as not good enough without really explaining why. It's like talking to a wall. Come to think of it, a wall would be more engaging..... All the best, Nonoise |
Is "waffle" a down-under term? It’s exactly what fuser’s do to try and prove their point. From the Cambridge English Dictionary To waffel: "to talk or write a lot without giving any useful information or any clear answers" From Google: To waffel: "speak or write at length in a vague or trivial manner." Take your pick they both apply allnoise. Cheers George |
Glad to see it irritates you, as it all got some cred behind itWrong. Again. It's already been pointed out why as well. Go back and try to read up on this. Is "waffle" a down-under term? Up-over here, it means to vacillate and no one who believes that aftermarket fuses work has changed their minds, or positions on the matter. All the best, Nonoise |
uberwaltz1,267 posts04-19-2018 6:54amGood lord GeorgeGlad to see it irritates you, as it all got some cred behind it, unlike the fuser's waffle on why they sound so good. Cheers George |