@glory
I picked up one of the Heritage PC's you sold off and encourage @jmcgrogan2 to do the same - we both loved them. I'm just back into audio after a 5 year set back, so that time line sounds about right. The Titania GS power cords and Heritage AE15 interconnects are staying in my new system for now and definitely until then - whenever that might be. Best I've heard and the only time I've considered a loom of anything - I still haven't heard any DD speaker wire, so still the great unknown and still waiting for the great leap forward.
To that: I've been reading some Fidelium threads and reviews, but reading between the lines of fast, detail, extended, etc sounds like why my ears have never liked ribbons, but the trial period's tempting. My Jade Vermeils are doing very nicely, though.
Aside - Having gone from big power/current feeding low efficiency speakers (Plinius SA201/Dynaudio Conf. 3) to higher efficiency and moderate tube power (Leben/Devore Super9's), there's less dynamics at low volumes no matter what gear I have in place. The DD really make them sing though.
Now if I can just catch up on the digital signal supply end....I've also been reading some of your journey with Bricasti. My AMR DP777SE is getting some Jupiter caps w/Duelund bypasses and then it's off to the digital chain w/lusty curiousity around ethernet/switches/renderers and servers - Antipodes/Qobuz/Tidal, etc.
All that aside - it's great to be back on the magic carpet ride. |
Bud,
DD cables are outstanding. About 6 years ago I had all their top AC cables Challenger heritage anniversary or something like that. 🥸
The Hemingway Beta cables are in another League. Contact Darren ONeill from Audio Limits to demo and be ruined for life. |
budburma
I would like to learn more about Dynamic Design Titania GS line.
Happy Listening! |
I've not heard the Gallileo line, but the top of the Atmosphere X and CTS lines were in my system for a time and not so satisfying. Rumor has that the Gallileo is spectacular though maybe SR just isn't my sonic wheelhouse. The CTS was too forward and the Atmosphere line had a band of over emphasis in the upper range that seemed to be pushed down the bandwiths with the different bullets, but was still there. Once I heard it, I couldn't shake it.
The Dynamic Design Titania GS line I'm using now is astounding me. Huge stage, natural tone, quiet, nuanced and detailed while being inviting and easily involving. Listening to the music and being surprised by what's there rather than for the music and wondering what's missing. There's an illumination from within instead of a spotlight shone on players.
Anyway, same price range and definitely worth a listen. Best I've heard, both the digital Ariel and analog. |
ozzy
Thank You for the follow up. I figured the PC in the $5K neighborhood, for openers.
Happy Listening! |
@mahgister: as they say, there are a thousand ways to skin a cat. We are all adults, and can spend our money how we see fit. There is absolutely no right or wrong with any approach. is there a relation between my post and something i said about limiting the freedom to buy something? NO... Is there a relation between my post and the possibility for an audiophile to be happy so much at peanuts costs that the possibility to buy costly cables or whatever has no more appeal? YES... No right or wrong here.... Just new creative possibility for all and the hope for those who cannot afford these "tweaks" that it is possible to replicate them at least partially at no cost....This is my way..... By the way i dont doubt that the power cord is good.... I hope so at this price.... But why i dont need it? Because i use my own devices at low cost.... And because before buying a power cord at this price someone must lower the electrical noise floor of his house, control the mechanical resonance and vibration problem and especially control all acoustical settings of his room.... Then..... And anyway my system value is 500 bucks with the orchestra filling my room.... I will not add a many thousand dollars power cord.... There is many ways to skin a cat, but there is only one economical optimal way..... 😊 My post is for the poor audiophiles.... People with plenty of money will never believe that my peanuts cost system do what it do... Acoustic is the more underestimated improvement in audio ever.....Even by acousticians.... This is my experience in my own room.... I apologize for my 2 posts in this thread about surely a good product anyway but all people cannot afford that and need hope.... i sell creativity..... |
@mahgister: as they say, there are a thousand ways to skin a cat. We are all adults, and can spend our money how we see fit. There is absolutely no right or wrong with any approach. |
Sounds like you don't need a power cord.
ozzy |
Wow!
My system value is 500 bucks.... The device i created cost me a little more... And i need nothing else now, because a piano cannot be more than be in your room in 3-D....
People dont have a clue about embeddings controls, they give their money instead of experimenting...They dont trust themselves nor their own ears...
OK i only say that to give hope to people without this money to spend who want an audiophile experience.... It is possible at NO COST and it is my experience....I dont say that Synergetic product are bogus, i only say i dont need them especially at this price.... For what?
Is my piano will be better? Perhaps a little bit, PERHAPS....But i can live with the piano in my room like it is right now....
Simple mechanical and acoustical science..... And listenings experiment.... If myself with no crafty hands had make it, ANYBODY could.... But we must think listen and try.... Buying is not necessary....Nor upgrading....
Save if you have plenty of money to spend....But a minimal very satisfying audiophile experience could cost peanuts....
Why am i the only one to say that?
It is a mystery for me reading audio threads....
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Galileo SX power cord is $6,000 MSRP for standard 5 feet length. Such length is plenty for most applications and setups |
Jafant,
Take your gum out of your mouth before you read this, I think the SR SX MSRP is about $6000-$9000 depending upon the length.
ozzy |
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ozzy
I suspect that there are a few SR dealers/retailers in SoCal.
Happy Listening! |
I bought mine from David Weinhart. Give him a call.
ozzy |
ozzy
what are the proposed MSRP on SR SX cables/cords?
Happy Listening! |
Yes, I still enjoy the SR SX power cord on my Lumin X1.
I would love to try the SX interconnects or speaker cables but I will probably need to rob a bank to make that happen. Perhaps the gov-r-mnt can provide the money too feed my habit...? Just kidding of course.
ozzy |
ozzy
are you still enjoying SR cables/cords in your system?
Happy Listening! |
mid40sguy,
Thank you for your post. In addition to the Silver Tellus that I am using on my Lumin, I have made a few DIY Entreq boxes for my amps and speakers. Every time I disconnect one of them there is a loss of depth in the power of the music. Hard to explain but easily heard.
Synergistic is one of those companies that really push the boundaries of reality and hard to believe their products do what they do.
Yes, for what they are made of, they seem to be overpriced but the trial and error and experimenting must be costly. I really admire the thinking outside the box (or the norm).
ozzy |
Over the past five years I've bought four top of the line used Synergistic Research Galileo (something) power cables. As Ted said they take time to settle in or break in even though they were used. What a funny hobby we deal with. Love my Synergistic Research cables and resonators. |
As Ozzy said Entreq is best used on whole systems. You could use one smaller box on one piece of gear but it's far better (cumulative) used on all.
It's at its best when analog gear is attached to one box and digital and or SS is connected to a second box. This is how I have my gear attached. I'm far from wealthy and the boxes are very expensive but over two years I was able to buy used two large silver tells and two matching Atlantis (discontinued) boxes. They have a large positive impact I would never go back.
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jafant,
The Entreq is designed to be used on whole systems. I think mine has 6 or 8 connections.
At the present I only have it connected to my Lumin because I am using mono blocks straight from the Lumin and they are located about 10+ feet away.
ozzy |
ozzy
Thank You for the follow up. Is the Entreq designed for Digital gear (cd players for example) ?
Happy Listening! |
Some stuff may be good but its all overpriced. |
jafant,
Yes there is.
The SR as I mentioned, sharpens the soundstage. While the Entreq (which is connected only to my Lumin X1) adds more weight to the sound. I have actually built additional DIY versions of the Entreq and use them separately on my amps and speakers. But that's another story.
ozzy |
ozzy
Very informative thread here. Is there an audible difference between the SR ground vs. Entreq ? Interesting combination being utilized in your system to be sure.
Happy Listening! |
off topic. Guys is there diffrence in sound between these Galileo UEF and newer SX? I can get good price on UEF |
millercarbon,
It is odd but there is a big change with or without the pigtail.
Without, the soundstage widens but is not as focused as with the pigtail connected. Images sound very focused and 3D like. It also seemed to improve with more hours, but that could be due to the Power cord getting more hours of AC.
I am grounding the pigtail directly to an outlet on the same wall duplex plug circuit that my Niagara 7000 is plugged into.
I also have my Lumin X1 connected up to my Entreq grounding box. This is not a AC ground, but a signal ground from one of the unused Lumin rca’s
ozzy |
I had Atmosphere Level III Euphoria and when using the pigtail to my ground there was only a very small improvement. A little less grain and grunge, not much. What I mean, I hear more improvement in the first 5 minutes playing a record.
This was grounding it to my star ground. My system is kind of unusual with 240V stepped down to 120V and the whole system being on a ground rod driven into the ground under the house just below the system. Ted is real adamant there should be a huge improvement with the pigtail, but equally insistent it must be grounded to a regular house outlet and not a power conditioner. Sounds like that is what you did, and even so the pigtail is not that big an improvement? Grounded to what? Are you using one of his Grounding Blocks?
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wisper,
I'm glad great minds think alike!
millercarbon,
This is something that is immediately noticeable.
But, I do think having the pigtail installed is the correct path. Even now after many hours.
ozzy |
When you guys change these things, pigtail or whatever, how long do you leave everything undisturbed before drawing these impressions? Because I find everything up in this level takes some good amount of time to really settle in. Even moving a wire to plug/unplug, even if you try hard not to move any more than necessary, it still disturbs things enough to be at least a little while settling back in.
This will no doubt make the PC deniers heads explode, but I figured this out quite by accident many years ago. It is, as they say, "a thing".
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Ozzy, my experience too - it does shrink the center stage, but it tightens the images...you nailed it...I notice it on the powercell sx that I am demoing. It does the same thing...without the pigtail it acutally kind of sounds like it "opens" up the soundstage (maybe even a little more liquid), but you lose some focus...but with the pigtail, you gain focus but the image and soundstage kind of pulls towards the center....almost a tradeoff, yin-yang kind of thing, but for most listening I prefer the pigtail...interesting... |
thyname, Aside from nonstop dump posting whilst hiding behind a fake moniker, do we even know if Georgie Porgie owns a high-end two-channel system? Because anyone who owns a high-end high-performance stereo, knows full well power cords and cables make a world of difference. Ted Denney Lead Designer, Synergistic Research Inc. |
Dear Georgie: what Synergistic Research power cords did you try, and what did you compare them with? Very intriguing post. Thanks |
ted_denney,
Ok, I can finally agree connecting the ground pig tail is an improvement.
Though the soundstage does shrink the center image tightens and supports the overall soundstage image.
ozzy |
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thyname,
Thanks for the encouragement. But probably will never happen.
ozzy |
Please let us know your impressions when you switch the power cords to your Amps to Galileo SX HC. Thanks |
wisper,
I do think cables especially power cords are so component dependent. I have on my Audioquest Niagara 7000 power conditioner a Audioquest Dragon power cord. I have tried many different PC’s there and the Dragon is the best. Perhaps if I owned the Synergistic power cell power conditioner the SR power cord would prevail there.
The Synergistic SX has beaten all other PC’s that I have tried with my Lumin X1. What it provides is even more depth and soundstage, hard to believe that it could get any better with my current equipment.
P.S. I’m still not sold on the SR ground pig tail, but I will revisit it in the future.
ozzy
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Ozzy thanks for your doing this - giving feedback along the way is really helpful - this is what makes the hobby fun and audiogon valuable. fwiw I upgraded my SR basic ground to the SE Ground and it made a nice difference (I couldn't tell a whole lot on the Basic - I may try the new SX ground - will let you know). I am trying the SX powercell with SX cord. When I attach the pigtail from the SX cord to the SE ground, it tightens the stage, enhances focus and transparency, a little more separation. I prefer it, but I wouldn't call it "ground breaking" -HAHA. The tightening of the images may seem to slightly reduce soundstage width, not really sure...but I prefer the little pig tail grounded. I do have other items in my system grounded. But I am using at the moment different speaker cables that don't have the grounding pigtails as they are not SR - I may try SR speaker cables at some point. Interesting side note if you go to the Stealth Cables site and click on technical notes, he posits that the AC power cords' “sound” mostly depend not on the AC carrying wires, but on the ground wire, which NEEDS to be shielded since it's included into the sound SIGNAL PATH (ground path, to be more precise) - that's mostly why different AC power cords sound differently. When you "listen" to a new cable, you are listening in effect to "all" your cables...I think the grounding "scheme" may have more effect than I previously realized....so, that is why I am interested in trying the SR SX ground...perhaps Ted will chime in. |
No worries. In today’s highly polarized political environment, hard to take anything as a joke. Unfortunate.
Anyways, I think it’s a matter of time until your second Galileo SX power cord. Inevitable. 😉😂🤭 |
I meant it to be a joke (sorta sarcastic). I guess it didn’t come out that way.
Sorry.
ozzy |
I wonder how you can afford those cables and yet, at the same time, hope on stimulus checks. Logically one that buys a $6,000 power cord should in theory be in a tax bracket that disqualifies them for stimulus checks. Just in theory.
Not trying to start a class warfare here, just a simple logic. |
thyname,
Well the problem is, to my amps I would need a 3 meter and a 2 meter length.
And that would require some big $$$!
I wonder if Biden could give me some stimulus money???
ozzy |
@ozzy
I don’t know what your “amps” are, but given the simplicity of your system, and the number of power cords needed, it only makes sense to switch to Galileo SX for your amps. That’s what I would do. Cheers |
I guess the simplest answer is when you change a piece of equipment and the sound is more enjoyable you know its a keeper.
ozzy |
This indeed is the question. None of this stuff can really be compared any other way than by, uh, comparison. Because "the ultimate comparison" with live acoustic music, does not apply because then you have to consider the entire recording chain. The only thing that makes sense to me is to try and compare the differences when changing from one to another. In doing this it comes down to just what you said, soundstage, timbre, balance, impact....
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Misunderstanding, question is not how you card afford it. Price is relative in this hobby, it's a personal decision how much someone can and wants to spend on an item. Question is how is the cable besting what has come before? Soundstage, timber, balance, impact...? Essentially how does it compare? |
Ozzy, that could be because the other power cords in your system are not Synergistic Research with shields attached to a star ground point. I’ve never tried a single or a few SR cables in a mix with other non-SR cables to ascertain the ground shields performance under a mix and match circumstance. But in a full Synergistic Research loom, where interconnect shields and power cord shields are all tied to a central ground point, the effect is dramatic, and positive.
Ted Denney
Lead Designer, Synergistic Research Inc. |
Oh and by the way, my DIY pure silver power cords were relegated now to power the Audioquest Niagara 1200 power supply, JL Audio subs and the Oppo 205.
ozzy |
tom2015, I understand your question and this is what I can answer. When I bought my Lumin X1, to help pay for it I sold off a separate Dac, Music server, Digital Clock, Preamp and several other associated pieces of equipment. With the elimination of that equipment, I was able to then sell the many power cords and interconnects, footers etc. that was no longer needed. Now the only cables needed was the one set of interconnects to my amps and the power cords for the Lumin and the amps. So, to me, it was important that these cables were of high quality. With very good negotiating I was able to purchase the better power cords and interconnects. P. S. Power cords don’t wear out, but may be surpassed by other future "better" versions. Its an ongoing never ending hobby, isn’t it? ozzy |
