Subwoofer Advice


I am running a pair of Martin Logan ESL 13A speakers (24-23,000 Hz). I would have thought with two 10" woofers there would be more bas (the base level dial on the rear of the speakers doesn’t seem to cut it either).

In the past I had a pair of ML Spires (29-23,000 Hz) with only one 10" woofer that had so much base, I sold my pair of ForceField 30s. Not the case with the 13A’s.

I don’t have a lot of room, maybe 16" or so square and I was wondering about a pair of SVS Micros. Do you think they would complement the 13As or do I need something bigger?

Martin Logan has come out with a few new subs lately; do you think I should keep in the ML family?

Hoping to come in under $2K, so used is fine. Thanks all!

I should also mention I’m limited on space so placement would likely have to be on the inside or the outside of the main speakers (same back wall).

 

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I have the transmitters about 4 feet off the floor.  There is no line of sight with either Sub and that has not caused an issue.  I can say it has been over 6 months since I can remember having to re-synch one of the subs.  I have the older Longbow model.  There is a newer transceiver, I am sure it is better.

 

  

@rikkipuu, I have heard that there is a nanosecond delay, so better with movie than music. Also, the subs are recommended to be inboard of the speakers for 2 channel listening, but you found these not to work best for you. I guess every room is different.

@big_greg I did some more research on this and SVS themselves said the micros are too small for my room, so I cancelled the order.

I'm a little surprised, but when someone tries to talk me out of buying something (and not trying to up sell me), I listen. 

If you can stretch your budget a little, give Rythmik a call. They make better subs, but you won't have the convenience of an app like you would with svs or the in-home demo.

I have two SV-1000 in a small room, sorta near the corners. I know but the corner thing is what SVS's manual recommended. OTOH, I've now set the things up with Dirac Live correction and don't seem to get much uglyness.  SVS, when I bought the units, sent me the contact info for their consultant who turned out to be a sub-contractor. Nice guy but didn't get them settled in until the Dirac came online. YMMV.

Thanks @dancub, could you elaborate more on your Dirac Live experience?

Did you purchase hardware/software? Or, you mention online, did you use an online service? I see some people offer this like The YouTuber Pursuit of Perfect System.

 

@navyachts Sure. First, I have a small, low ceiling basement room. Large, handlaid stone foundation walls. Minor treatments (rug, fiberglas batting in rafters) but except for near field listening, it's been a slog to make any of my setup(s) sound right. So I bought a used MiniDSP SHD with built-in Dirac Live room correction and use it as my preamp. Since the SHD has kinda a studio vibe, it's got tons of connections. It took me a while to set up the DIrac - pre-measurements are a pain - but once there, it's been a gas. It locks in the imaging - important to me - making my room challenges mostly disappear. I've A/B'd it with multiple speakers and except for some really quirky things that it can cause, like suddenly heavy boom from the SVSs, once you get the Dirac happy, it's rock solid. Difference between on and off is distinct. 

I have to add, the SHD comes with a separate DSP app ("Device Console") that allows L/R balancing and EQing the signal. I expected the Dirac SW to do the former but it dosen't.  Anyway, I have tinnitus and high frequency hearing loss, so the Device Console allows me to compensate. You can do multiple versions, store and reload at your leisure.  So I have a setup just for my ears, one for my hi-fi buddies when they visit and one for watching Dune with my wife.

Hope that answer's your questions and not put you to sleep...

P.S. Current system:  Hot rodded Rega Planar 2 with Elac PPA-2 pre, Bluesound Node 2i streamer, MiniDSP SHD preamp,  Bryston 2,5B3 or 4B SST, Topping DX5 DAC. Speakers are all over the map: Proac Response 3.8s, KEF LS50s, Klipsch RP-600Ms and on and on.  Also have an experimental set of Lii Audio F15s baffleless with a Decware SE84UFO that's going to come online eventually.  I know, I need to get a life...

 

@dancub thanks so much for your detailed and informative Response! I’ve had others tell me that this mini DSP is the cats meow. It’s just I’m kind of technically challenged with all that kinda stuff and it sounds like it’s a real pain . I’m not getting what I want out of my system either and I’ve got so much money into it. I just getting tired of spending more. But maybe I should just give this Dirac Thing a shot.

@navyachts Well, one of the things, for me, is that things come and go. Experimenting - the journey if you will - is what I've really got off on.  Also, I've bought most of my speaker gear in bad shape and repaired it, so the investment is low. OTOH, the DSP landscape, like the DAC one, is evolving really fast. If you stay just behind that power curve, you can get really great stuff inexpensively.  Also, Dirac is not the only game in town. Lots of action going on in the computer based audio world and it's just going to get better and easier to use. There are a lot of people smarter than me about this stuff so keep asking the questions you've been asking. You'll find a path forward.