Jmcgrogan,you dont need to spend $1700 call Dan
see what,He can do to your 9000es,honestly my modded sony
even on redbook,it does the holographic sound, I have
been looking for.What do you have to lose.Dan is a nice
guy. |
I think it really depends on how much SACD you plan on listening to. Go to www. amusicdirect.com and look at the SACD selection. Does it fit your musical tastes? How many of them do you REALLY want to buy? Like I said, I've owned SACD player for well over a year, and although the format does sound better than regular cd's, on most recordings, they need to burst the software dam, for me to invest more in hardware. I only own a couple dozen SACD's vs over 1000 cd's and LP's. Perhaps if they had 10-20 times the number of releases they currently have, I'd spend another $1700 to have my 9000ES modded. Perhaps not, since when I want to hear music reproduced as faithfully as possible, I use vinyl.
IMHO, on redbook cd's the 9000ES is more dynamic and better at the frequency extremes than the BAT. The BAT is much fuller and richer in the midrange, which is key for me, as the midrange is where the music lives. |
Akaddict, Iam glad you ask about the imaging, detail,
midrange purity,In my system,according to the guy who brought the BAT,my sony 9000es unmodded that time,is
more detail and transparent,and ,BAT imaging I think
is better, Bat palpability is a bit better.But on SACD even
unmodded sony, I like the sony for my taste.The soundstage
of BAT is huge, it has more depth,either way you cant go
go wrong.Its only my opinion, others may have differrent
experience, Like audiotweak said his ps audio transport
and dac killed the sony.I believe Him. |
Wow, not much concensus on this question.
Jayctoy, Ed_Sawyer, Bluefin, Jwin, Czbbcl:
In what ways are Sony better than BAT (e.g. image, presence, detail, midrange purity....).
Thanks.
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Jwin,I cant blame, if there are skeptic on mod,because
it can be expensive,its a risk also,the secret is
get a good modifier,reliable,with good reputation,In
my case I did my homework,calling audiophile, who
have the experience,In return I helped those who are
interested on the mod.I also got lucky with Dan ,I dont
work for Him, When I buy things from Him, wont even'
give me penny discount.He treat me nice, thats only
my consolation.Thanks |
John no offense at all, you are gentlemen,I respect your
opinion and whatever gear and musical taste, I agree
vynil is superior,but too much work, I do have another
system ,where I only play LP,I have MMF5,art audio preamp,
and plinius amp,Diapason adamantes sp,I guess I am bless
to have both set up,one thing, I notice The SACD is very
very close to LP,Michael Fremmer mentioned SACD is as
good as LP minus the deficiency,I have at least 100sacd
now mostly are hybrid,I am happy with that.John the unmodded
sony is lean,is just good for the price,plus they added
DVD for this unit to beat the competition in the market.
I wish you live here in Illnois, I can bring my Sony
for you to hear.Yes Iam very happy.Enjoy your music
also. Thanks |
How could it be better than the BAT on SACD? Tom |
The SCD-1 is the better of the two. Very comparable on redbook and much bette on sacd. The SCD-1 will also retain its value over the long haul; a true statement piece.
Chuck |
Jayctoy, 1500 SACD releases already? It's been over 3 years, and 1500 is a grain of sand at the beach, compared to the amout of software available on regular cd or even LP's. I'm happy you like your modded 9000ES, don't take it personally. When there are 100,000 SACD releases there may be something to make a fuss over. SACD does sound very good, but not good enough for me to change my personal musical tastes. I've owned the 9000ES for over a year, yet I only have bought a couple dozen SACD's. Many of the 1500 releases are forms of music that don't interest me. I have over 1000 regular cd's (out of millions of choices), that sound better on my BAT, then through my un-modded 9000ES.
To be brutally honest though, LP's beat them both sonically. Akaddict said he's primarily interested in cd's. Don't take it personally, I'm very happy that you're enjoying your music.
Cheers,
John |
My 10 year old PS audio transport and dac killed the Sony on Redbook..I since have purchased the Krell DACD Standard which is wonderful in all respects..Tom |
Since you already have BAT products, your system synergy will benefit greatly by incorporating a BAT CD player and using balanced interconnects between all the pieces.
I prefer the non-SE version, the D5, with Amperex 7308 tubes. Superb redbook performance. Don't need SACD...yet! |
Get SCD-1, if necessary, upgrade it or add one DAC for CD sound. BAT is not cheap either. Many claims their CD sound better SCD-1 actually spend more money on CD player than a used SCD-1. It won't hurt you anything but add good stuff, if your CD player can also play better format, why care SACD is future or not? If you have money to buy a new BAT, why not buy a TEAC DV-50? sound pretty good on CD and SACD. You gain something more than CD only. They are in the same box, you don't need another box right. What's wrong if your player can play SACD? If you have room and $$ try LP too. |
I have an SCD-1 that has the superclock II and transport mods. In blind testing about a dozen audiophiles in our local club preferred an unmodified SCD-1 to the Wadia 861 and several other expensive Cd players. The BAT was not in the group tested. All listeners preferred my SCD-1 to the unmodified unit. I paid about $2700 on Audiogon about 8 months for the modified unit and sold my ARC-CD2 because there was a no contest in musicality. It's beautiful to look at and an incredible bargain. |
The only way SACD will succeed is to release the SACD or hybrid on the same day that the plain cd is released. There may be 1500 releases, but how many people want old Dylan or Rolling Stones that weren't that well recorded in the first place? |
Jmcgrogan,Tireguy told me there are 1500 SACD release,
already, If you have been reading some of my post,
about My Sony 9000es modified signature ref,with tube
stage and dac upgrade,it will tell ,you how good it is,I
even mentioned that, when I heard the Trivista SACDcdp, that
I did not miss it ,I did spend $1700 for the mod,I think
it sounded like at least 5k,especially on SACD this unit
is unbeatble for the price,cdp under 5k,I heard the VKD5,
In my system hologarphic is missing in action,I will not
deny the VKD5 did sound good,but it is nowhere near my
sony mod, in SACD mode, there is no comparison,I could have
bought the BAT for less money,but I did not like the sound,
and the sonic attribute.I believe the risk that I took, and
trusting Dan, its all worth it.IMO |
Might as well stay in the BAT family, if you're happy with the sound of your preamp and amp. I have the VK-D5se and it sounds great on cd's. I also have a Sony DVP-S9000Es which fills my occasional HT/SACD need. IMHO, there still isn't enough SACD software out there to invest mega-grand into a SACD player. A modified SCD-1 may sound as good on cd's as the BAT, but you're talking a lot of money. |
Both products have been extensively reviewed and are quite different in the manner they sound. These reviews have a common thread when describing the units. I would suggest that your read these reviews and decide based on your own priorities. I chose the BAT - I have no interest in SACD, having concuded that its a format in a medium that has no great future. |
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