Small, Effective Subwoofers?


In a recent speaker thread that I started there were lots of suggestions of adding a couple of subwoofers to my system. As with my speakers (Legacy Signature SEs) I have little room to place subwoofers They will need to go directly to the left or directly to the right of the main speakers. To the left the maximum height would be 12". 12’ would be great on the outside as well, but I could squeeze a slightly bigger unit in there. Would two 12" subs be sufficient here, or would they be too small for this set up?

If 12’ is OK, do you all have any reasonably priced suggestions as did @nevada_matt withe his 2-10 offering from Tekton. I would have never found those on my own, thanks Matt!

I would be super open to some used subs as a cost savings measure here.

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SVS has a variety of subwoofer sizes and shapes. You might want to try them. I have an SB 300. I’m in a small room is completely controllable using my iPhone. Quite amazing how you can shape the impedance.

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I tried SVS, Klipsch, ELAC 10" subs, with no convincing results. I ended up with the Martin Logan Dynamo 700

I have one Rythmik F12SE ($1,300) between my Revel F228be speakers and it has added a great floor to my system---tight, clean bass. Rythmik is known for making great subs for music.

Looked at photos of your space and will be interested in responses from here out because to me, your room isn’t useable for serious listening. Your speakers are against the wall with a large loveseat blocking the right speaker. A glass wall is to the left of the listening position and an open room to the right. Glass table is also a disaster for the sound.

I think that you pick up a pair of small RELs and place them inside your speakers, but if possible, I would move the one loveseat and table out of the room. Move speakers away from walls and listen in near field. Figure out how in a decorative way you can absorb the first reflection before it reaches the glass. Subs go against or close to rear wall.

It looks like a lovely view through the windows.  I’m guessing that the only solution that will be accepted is to leave everything as is and add two small subwoofers..back to your original question.

 

REL would be a super complementary addition for a 2-channel music system, especially if you can do the Series S (e.g., S510, S812, or Carbon Special). I just added a pair of Carbon Special, and very happy with the result, full integration, deeper bass, better soundstage, fast with the ability to keep up with the bass of the main speakers. I previoulsy had a JL Audio Gotham G213 but it was not great for music, built for home theater.

 

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I should add, I tried base models, I had a very small budget.

Based on your speakers I think you want to add bass that's already there and not bass that's missing. So in some sense, your subs will be competing, unless you set the crossover frequency super low. When I had that competing/overlapping issue, my result was a total mess.

I think your only good option is to put it between the speakers and choose down firing.   

@vonhelmholtz - "to me, your room isn’t useable for serious listening"

Well, that’s depressing.

Now, I’m getting bombarded to SVS ads all over my computer screen!

So, how about instead of subs, go for the same speakers but "Active"?

" your room isn’t useable for serious listening"

if you pull the curtains, move the sofa by the kitchen back 4 feet (temporarily, when you are "in session") you'd be fine. I'd move both speakers to the right, towards the kitchen 10" or so, until the door, and also out from the wall towards the room at least 10". 

You would be slightly better off on the opposite end of the room, where the dining room is, but that would be challenging with all the furniture.

@grislybutter - Thanks, I like your optimistic approach and yes I can definitely move things around, but a couple of things.

I have racked both my back and my shoulder. No problem kicking the loveseat out of the way for listening and closing the drapes (actually, the drapes were hung with listening in mind) but the speakers are another thing, they are heavy.

The manufacture's rubber feet make the difficult to move around as well. If just sideways 10" as you suggest, I could get those slider things, but if I need to move them out from the back wall the carpet is in the way. WAIT! I could just roll the carpet back, I guess (don't tell the wife).

Maybe it would be easier just to move?

@navyachts the wife's happiness, feng shui and sound quality are competing concepts, or zero sum game  :)

With that lovely view, I wouldn't be in a hurry to move.

Looking at your room I now understand your dilemma. It's so open it's difficult to tuck the subs out of sight.It's a beautiful room.The corner in the dining room and to the left behind the console in a white finish? But if those aren't the optimal spots for good bass that would be sad.

@navyachts 

Well, that’s depressing

I tried to give you positive steps to rectify your setup.  I guess that you stopped reading after my initial sentence.