That may or may not help. You can try it but the short wall is usually the best but all rooms are different. Whether or not it takes your system to the next level only you can decide. |
The short wall will help with the room modes and bass, but you have to listen nearfield. I would put my money on the shortwall, but you never know.
Rob |
My room is simillar in dimension, I tried long wall and could never get things to integrate well. I quickly went back to short wall set up. I'm sure I suffer a bit in stage width but it is a much better sound overall.
Try it out though, you've got nothing to loose but a few hours of set up time and a sore back. |
Only way to really find out is to give it a try. You never know. Good luck!
KiD |
I would think you would have a hard time getting the speakers away from the wall and bad reflection off the back wall with the listening position so close with only 11' to work with. I use to have a pair of Studio 40's and needed at least 3.5' off the back wall to get them to image well in my room. Mine were setup up on the short wall. The only way to find out is to try it. Good luck. |
In similarly shaped rooms (my own included), i've found that putting the system on the long wall reaps betters results.
Of course, every room is different... prior to setting my system up in this room, I had always adhered to the 'short wall' setup. |
Freakygreek,
You will get varring opinions on this.
Well my room is 11 x 23 very close to yours. For almost a year I was set up on the short wall. This produced challenges with localization in the right speaker due to reflection points and room setup. My listening position was set-up using the equallateral triangle method.
I am now on the long wall sitting in the near field. Again close to an equallateral traingle. No pesky first reflection points to worry about. My sound stage is larger but the depth about the same. That is due to the TV and home entertainment center between but back from the speakers.
Which do I prefer after extended listening on both walls now I prefer the long wall and the wider sound stage. |
Thanks everyone for the responses and sorry I couldn't respond any eariler. In my current set up sitting in a near field position wouldn't that be to close for t.v watching. I was also under the impression that for nearfield listening I would need nearfield monitors.
Right now my speakers are 3ft from the back wall and 5.5tft apart with a T.V in the middle and my listening seat is 10ft. This setup was for movies mostly but I now find myself listening to music more often. I figured that against a long wall I can have them at least 8-9ft apart and maybe at most 2.5ft from the back wall.
At one point I do plan on a speaker upgrade most probably in the PMC line. I have listened to both the Lb1 and the OB1's but have yet to make up my mind.
I've also read as to how front ported and closed designed speakers may help with rear wall considerations. Any suggestions for future speaker upgrades.
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Try 'em on the long wall. Not because they will for sure sound that much better, but because you can tell your brother you tried it and here's what you found. And, just to try it.
None of us can really tell you exactly what's gonna happen when you move those 60's over there. You could always try wider speaker placement - short or long wall - and that may widen your soundfield a bunch. You can for sure sit in a nearfield position with those 60s, but you still might get quite the "slap" reflection from back behind you with them on the long wall. I see room treatments coming...
The big thing is to just try it - to silence your brother, and to try it for your own knowledge and experience. |
I do plan in exprimenting more for my edification more as to how the sound changes from either set-up.
Your right with either set-up room treatment will have to be used but I'm such a newbie in that respect I just don't know where to start.
This will I hope be a fun not a frustrating excersise.
Cheers |
Your brother's request is not like picking up a chair and simply moving it across the room. It takes days, weeks, or even months to plan and execute such a move (if one had to electricians, plan dedicated lines, outlets, etc.).
And even though the majority are often times wrong, it would seem the vast majority of so-called 'experts' recommend placing the speakers on the short wall of a rectangular room. Yes, there are a handful of speaker mfg'ers who recommend the long wall (Dunalvy was one), but it is only a handful.
On either wall, for enhanced soundstaging your speaker fronts need to be about 4 to 6 ft or so from the wall behind them. If your speakers are on the long wall, that means that you have at most 6 feet between your ears and the drivers leaving you with about 1 ft. between your ears and the wall behind you. The 6 ft. isn't necessarily bad but the 1 ft. distance is rediculous.
I can't imagine any sonic benefits with such a configuration.
But you might first ask your brother to explain in detail what sonic benefits await you when you 'reach the next level' by following his suggestion.
I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't have clue how to articulate his response. Seems to be epidemic with brothers these days. :)
If you're into experimenting, you might try experimenting with cables, outlets, installing dedicated circuits/lines, and vibration control. All these can be rather inexpensive experiments and should easily outperform any highly questionable sonic gains from moving your speakers.
-IMO |
I all to clearly understand how brothers can be. It's 1:30am and I woke up thinking of all that's been going on.
It seems from most of the responses that I've been on the right track by my short wall set-up. I just wish I had a clue to what I should be listening when it come to sound/room acoustics. I guess when I start using room treatments I should have a better idea.
As to experimenting I plan to do so with my IC's. I've outgrown my Blue Heaven's and am looking forward to trying Cardas, Audience but first I live in an apartment and it's clean power that I lack. AC conditioners here I come.
Cheers
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Good for you, FG. BTW, my last sentence was incomplete. I meant to say "All these can be rather inexpensive experiments and should easily outperform any highly questionable sonic gains from moving your speakers TO THE LONG WALL."
I felt the need to clarify because in my opinion, the benefits of proper speaker placement (on the short wall) in general will far outweigh any room acoustic treatments. (unless perhaps your room is absolutely atrocious acoustically).
But for starters I would recommend bringing your speakers about 5 ft. out from the back wall to the front center of the woofers. If you suffer a bit from light bass regions, try starting at about 4ft out may help reinforce the lower regions a bit.
-IMO |
Here in lies one of my problems. I can't bring out my speakers 5ft out. I'm pushing it at 4ft and 3ft is the safe zone. Unfortunatly the placement of my speakers is where the landing is going from dining rooom to livingroom.
Just to clarify I live in an apartment with a sunken livingroom ,and it is at that point where one of my speakers is located. You can just see the edge of the step in my picture. I did manage to bring them out at 4ft and my t.v is no longer in the middle but I have to walk in back of them to get to my livingroom.
Is it possible to over treat a room. I say this as I'm not well versed in room acoustics. I guess I can't go wrong adding corner traps and base traps.
I've get to find a service where they can assess my room acoustics.
Cheers |
My experience with having the system on the long wall (with absorbers behind the speakers) is that it sounds very good and bass doesn´t get overblown, maybe because Im pretty far from all 4 corners where most of the bass energy is. BUT.. as soon as you raise the volume it doesn´t work anymore, It gets shouty and the room feels much too small. I´d go with the short wall placement |
