Qobuz vs Tidal


First off in the last 3 weeks, I have lost 90% of my vision so if there are mistakes please understand.  I am building my last house and will be moving in in late August.  I have ordered a fantastic two channel system, and I have a separate theater room.   The 2 channel system consists of Canary Audio Grand Reference Two Mono Amps, Canary C1800 Pre-amp, Lumin X1 Dac/Streamer, and an Inakustic 3500P power conditioner and Viking Accoustic Grande Voix horn speakers.  My theater room will include a 5.2.2 set up of Tekton Double impact in wall speakers.   My music source is a Lumin X-1 with a 4tb Synology NAS filled with over 10,000 titles.  In my last system I used Tidal to complement my digital library.  I am looking for either Qobuz or Tidal  for my new system.  I am looking for people who have both or have used both.  Which do you prefer and why?   If you have only used one please don't reply.  I need your help as I can no longer research the way I would like.  All your replies will be voice activated so that is how I am getting your information.  Ease of use will be critical due to my sight restrictions.  Thanks for your help.
willgolf
re: Streaming Wars - 

In January & March this year, Qobuz seemed to fix a number of bugs and addressed service complaints, dropped pricing some, which allowed them to pull ahead some with audiophiles re/joining. 

Can't imagine Amazon will sit idle with evolution, and Spotify needs to get it in gear with Lossless and offer what they tried in Beta in 2017. Still think Spotify has the best UI and learning engine. If Amazon bought Spotify, they'd be capable of putting Tidal and Qobuz out of business.  

Three years from now, we'll look back about what "was" in 2020.  


After less than the 30 day trial period, I went with Qobuz over Tidal. SQ is excellent and I can trust nothing too gross is being done to it. Tidal and MQA are OK and I could live with it. 
I’m mostly streaming jazz and classical and Qobuz gives me access to more European, Eastern European and Scandinavian recordings than I ever knew existed.
I’m familiar with the National Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped. Get signed up with your local branch for loads of free recorded books and magazines. Probably be talking to you.
agree w decooney

amazon is the whale... worth watching

they would squash tidal quboz deezer in a heartbeat if they decided to do so

spotify couldn't give a sh*t about audiophiles, thus the lossy streaming persists


I've flipped between the two services for the past three years and always miss Qobuz 'sweetness' when it comes to certain elements of tracks that are what hi-res is all about in my opinion.  By that I mean, female vocals and instruments such as sax and piano always sound that little bit more natural and contain that little extra high element and positioning that makes listening really enjoyable. To verify this view I've developed over time, and you've caught me at a point fortunately where my subscriptions have crossed over, I've just asked my missus to play blind a set of a few different tracks to me so I could pick which sounded better to my ears, and Qobuz won out every time. This was using roon. I listened both through my hifi system, pretty decent but not as high end as yours, and some high end headphones. Hope this two pence helps, and I'm sorry to hear about your eyes, but so long as you have your ears, you will always have something truly wonderful to appreciate in life. Remember that.

Kind regards,

Darren
Thanks, I am still experimenting with both but will probably end up going with QOBUZ. I think the resolution is slightly better
tidal and quboz redbook or higher res feeds both sound very good... but i agree qobuz sounds slightly better, bit more ’solid’ and with a slightly fuller tone, whereas tidal sounds a little leaner, a touch ’phasey’ in comparison, when i have managed to a-b back and forth on the same track, same res

of course the two services could be streaming different mastered versions of the selections, but over numerous listens of numerous selections, the sonic difference i describe above holds, i believe
Tidal sounds a bit synthetic and processed to me. The tonal quality of Qobuz feels much more natural to me.

I have been a long time Tidal user. I’ve had my membership since 2016 and I’ve kept it mainly because I use a Sonnet Pasithia dac and it has the ability to decode and render MQA content. I figured, no brainer it’s a match made in heaven. Roon does the same, however, every time I do a comparison between the two, I really can’t tell the difference

Last week I received a free month trial for Qobuz. Feeling inquisitive I took advantage of it. I stream through Roon and added the free trial so I could compare, For the first five days I poked around to see how the user interface compares, and it always felt very basic, which I suppose isn’t a bad thing. At least the UI seems strait forward. admittedly, I do need more time with it to give it a fair assessment. For those of you not familiar with Roon, if you navigate to an album, there will be an image of the album cover. Looking at my current playlist page shows the image of Jethro Tull’s Original Masters playing Locomotive Breath 44.1k 16 bit. Below that, there is a synopsis, about the album and band. To the right of that there’s basic track info, length of time, type, rating, release date and format. If the format showed as MQA, then you knew you were streaming Tidal. Below that there is an icon for album version, tag it and all versions of the album appear below center screen. Tidal is the first listing, displaying MQA 44.1k 16bit. play this version and it sounds pretty good. Soundstage is wide and fairly deep. Everything has space and is well placed. The bass is tight and fast, yet plays fairly deep. Switching over to Qobuz and the first thing I noticed was the base was deeper, even faster. It has a lightness but, goes deeper and has more harmonics to it. Sounds more like a real base guitar in the room.

The next thing that came apparent, was the presentation became smoother. Not that it was mellow or rolled off, it’s more that I can play it louder on Qobuz, it sounds cleaner more, refined. Since I can play it louder the music sounds more dense, while not taking away detail. I’m getting more micro detail on Q, instruments have more texture and their notes hang in the air longer. I also compared Mark Knopfler Darling Pretty from Golden Hart 2021 remastered: Tidal MQA 44.1k, 16 vs Qobuz 2021 remastered 44.1k, 16 bit... Same conclusion. Then I listened to Seeker by Hiromi from her Alive album, Same comparison, same outcome. The Tidal version sounded pretty good, but the Qobuz version made me feel like I was at the club. The music had a more, you are there feel to it. Even if the UI doesn’t turn out to be as good, the difference in SQ definitely makes up for it. I’m randomly streaming music via Q and I haven’t been disappointed yet. From what I’m hearing on my system, I’m definitely making the switch. Besides, Roon pretty much handles the UI anyway.

After originally posting this thread three years ago I still have both Tidal and Qobuz.  I do prefer Qobuz for overall sound quality but there really is not that much of a difference.  Sometimes, an artist is not available on Q so then I use Tidal.  I keep saying I am going to cancel Tidal but I never do.

I have both but listen to Tidal more often.  I don’t hear a difference between the two but honestly I haven’t done a critical listening session to compare them.