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Phono amplification bang for the buck

I tried asking a similar question over in amps/preamps but I didn’t get anything useful over there. I’m hoping I can here.

I have a Michel Gyrodec II with SME 309 arm, and several different low output MC cartridges(.2-.4 mv output).

My budget is around $4000 give or take. I need mc/mm phono amplification and line level preamplification. I am looking at new or demo. I would consider used only if it has a significant transferable manufacturer’s warranty.

My question is, given my needs, would I get better bang for the buck at this price level by getting a preamp with an integrated phono stage, or going with a line level preamp and a separate phono stage?


Thanks.
xaak
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elliottbnewcombjr
5,363 posts
 
Several MC cartridges, two now, future?,

various signal strengths, various coil resistances

you need a versatile phono stage, I saw this recently

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pro-Ject-Tube-Box-DS-MM-MC-Tube-Phono-Preamplifier-Black/224349939634

there is an option for a square trade 1 yr warranty. 

pro-ject site

https://www.project-audio.com/en/product/tube-box-ds/
elliottbnewcombjr
5,363 posts
 
now, your question:

To get a preamp for both line level inputs (how many inputs do you need?)

and MM/MC phono stage

and multiple loading options for MC 

is rare.

I decided to get a SUT step up transformer, with PASS for MM, and a few loading options for MC, and 3 inputs for 3 different arms.

That lets you get a preamp with MM Phono and Line Inputs, you send the SUT's output to the MM Phono input. 

lots exist, I chose this one (this one is expensive but shows it well)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FR-Fidelity-Research-FRT-4-Toroidal-Transformer-Vintage-RARE/164633673789?h...
elliottbnewcombjr
5,363 posts
 
My first mc cartridge, I started a discussion here about "which sut"?

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/which-sut-for-3mv-10-ohms-mc-cartridge-into-3mv-mm-input-sens...

many helpful responses there

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jasonbourne52
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If you want a tube preamp with a phono stage the best bang-for-the-buck is an ARC SP6! I have one - paid less than $1K for it! Add a good SUT like a Bellari ($350 - I have one) and you'll have LP playback competitive with upper four-figure gear!
elliottbnewcombjr
5,363 posts
 
this helped me when asking avout MC and SUT's

http://www.rothwellaudioproducts.co.uk/html/mc_step-up_transformers_explai.html

elliottbnewcombjr
5,363 posts
 
I liked the wood case of this one with 2 mc settings and PASS for MM

https://absolutehiend.com/index.php/product/phono-mc-step-up/miyajima-lab-etr-800p-mc-step-up-transf...
xaak OP
43 posts
 
Ok, pushing equipment at this point is premature.  It doesn't really answer my question.

elliotnewcombjr, I've been at this since the 70's.  I have a few SUTs, and SUT's are not without their own issues, no matter how good they are.  You still get distortion, though different from active stages.  I see SUTs as a situation dependent option, but I am looking for an active phono stage that can handle low output MCs and MMs.

I am not looking for ancient vintage stuff (I owned enough of that back in the day), I'm looking for new/demo/still under warranty stuff.

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morningstaraudio
154 posts
 
You can't go wrong with a Pass Labs XP-17 Phono preamp.
elliottbnewcombjr
5,363 posts
 
it's fun reviewing what came up in that old thread

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORTOFON-T-30-Step-Up-Transformer-MC-Phono-Cartridge-/283859443473


geof3
1,129 posts
 
Team up a Parasound JC3 Jr with a solid preamp and you will,be good to go. Adjustments on the fly, will run any of your carts all for around 1200.00. Leaves a nice healthy sum for a killer pre amp. 
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czbbcl
1,752 posts
 
Herron VTPH-2A very versatile easy to change load resistors for different cartridges and gain depending on tube configuration has both MM/MC capabilities. I currently use a VTPH-2A and use NOS Telefunkens in lieu of the stock tubes. It is a beautiful sounding phono stage and Keith is a joy to work with.

http://www.herronaudio.com/vtph2specs.html

Chuck  
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