Perfect Path Tecnologies ‘The Gate’
atdavid, you sound suspiciously like a certain member who recently vanished from the forum taking all his holier than thou, know it all statements with him. Robert something I believe. Quite a coincidence he disappears and you show up out of nowhere. I trust you shall be just as popular as he was.... |
jay23, That would depend on how you install it and what other parts are inside the Gate. If you install it in your electrical panel, then the electrical panel should contain any "events". Fortunately the instructions communicated in this thread indicate to connect one end to a breaker, so if a MOV fails short, which they pretty much always do before going "poof", then the breaker will trip. The suggestion to connect it to a "220" breaker is a bit suspect mainly as it is not really a "220" breaker, it is a dual-phase breaker with a connecting rod between the handles for the two poles. Electrically this would not be any different from a single pole breaker, but double phase breakers are usually higher current. That would provide a lower resistance path, but those really long lead wires shown in the installations would negate the that benefit in the case of a surge event due to the increased resistance and increased inductance. Someone had a comment about whether it would take a 6KV/3KA hit ... $0.10 MOVs will take repeated 6KV/3KA hits. It is not a difficult task. However, unlike the Furman that was noted to take 1000s (?) of 6KV/3KA hits, the Furman is a 2 port device, i.e. input port and output port. The Furman can take 1000s of 6KV/3KA hits because it has an inductor before the secondary surge element that considerably softens the surge event that reaches that element ... and your equipment that follows. That is a series connected surge suppressor ... i.e. the Furman is in series between the line and your equipment. This would be considered a parallel surge protection. You don't want any inductance between the input wires and the surge element as that would prevent effective clamping. Of course, MOVs, even pretty big ones are cheap, so you can clamp quite a bit of energy for not a lot of money. What is really unusual, and not in a good way, is that it connects to only neutral and one of the hots, not both the hots. That means it is going to provide surge protection to one of the phases, and not the other or at least very limited and only through the long connection back to the mains transformer. As well, it claims to provide PFC functionality, and again, that is only to one of the two phases. It could leave the other phase less balanced.
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@atdavid Thank You for posting that! We have made it a priority to keep your equipment safe with our products, and we accomplish this by:The mention of a clamping voltage means The Gate most likely uses cheap MOVs. Not only is it a potential liability for your insurance, it is also a potential safety & fire hazard! https://youtube.com/watch?v=zmcD635NNPU https://youtube.com/watch?v=JujCqjLSQF8 |
Jay, I expect no electrician would, and certainly no electrician should sign and notarize such a letter as they would not be qualified to comment on the safety of such a "black box". Their expertise is the electrical code, which is not the same as having knowledge of applicable product safety standards. UL, and others, can do field inspection, typically at the MFR, for small run productions, based on acceptable documentation from the MFR and an inspection of the assembly of the product (not just exterior, but how made) to ensure compliance to typical standards of most manufactured electrical products. jay23183 posts11-03-2019 7:01pmI would warn all potential buyers that they should use a bonded, insured, and licensed electrician to install The Gate. Additionally, require a signed and notarized letter from the electrician that they find The Gate to be safe in their professional opinion. Good luck finding such an electrician! 😂 |
atdavid ... What was your intent in posting this comment? Frank |
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@oregonpapa 1. I would bet you didn't master a single second on any of that material, nor were you there for the recordings. Nice try! 2. He was past the return period, so he didn't try to return it. He sold it and took his losses like a big boy. 3. He was away from home, too busy touring and recording to install it within the 90 days. Some people still have to work, and not be a blight on society. 4. You know that anything in the AC path can color the sound. Otherwise you would have to agree with Georgie that all fuses sound the same. Take off your salesman hat! The above and the other thread prove why "certain" people shouldn't come up with theories. |
Time to chill ... and here's something to chill with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y10TqeFBMU0&fbclid=IwAR1k6R9VWKvEuUvHXLZxtkgI15HfXTJwtoB3V7uBsF9woDTctgNUq4cmgbY |
Jay23 ... On that point, you would be wrong, Jay. You’re making ridiculous statements without knowing what you’re talking about. 1. I have hundreds of hours of master tape recordings. They are stunning. 2. You lied about your "friend" being unable to return his Gate. I know for a fact that not one PPT customer has attempted to return a Gate once purchased. 3. Had your "friend" not liked the Gate, there wouldn’t be a "past the trial period." The return policy still would have been honored. That’s just the way they do business at PPT. Plus, with the exception of "Total Contact" there’s a 90-day return policy on everything sold by PPT. Is your "friend’s" hearing and/or system so bad that he/she couldn’t discern what the Gate was doing within 90 days? Come on man, you are way too transparent. 4. Your assertion that the Gate "colored the sound" isn’t true either. The Gate doesn’t color sound. It purifies the AC throughout the entire house/office/recording studio, and allows one to hear what is actually on the recording. Perhaps you and your "friend" should reevaluate your recording/mastering skills. Honestly, if you’re going to post here, the least you can do is to tell the truth. Finally Jay ... why is it that we never see you and georgehifi in the same place at the same time? Frank |
@jafreeman She claimed the products were safe. I’m telling the reality of what the insurance situation would be. You can pay attention and be forewarned or not. Your huffy puff does nothing. The roughly 50+ Furman solution would achieve far better sound all of the time through constant and measured lower distortion levels than that one Gate could ever hope for. |
@oregonpapa Tell yourself whatever you have to feel better about your system. I have thousands of hours of unreleased remasters I've done, from recording sessions I've sat in on, because the labels want the crushed 💩. Do you have one such hour of masters that you've worked on and know as well? Yeah, I didn't think so. The Gate isn't good enough for such mastering work. If you're happy with it, good for you. 👍 I'm not saying the Furman idea is the solution, but it's a better use of funds. |
So don't try to sell us on your "extreme peak power demands" comparison, implying great sound all of the time if only we would have bought your little Furman, when the Gate is what delivers great sound all of the time. Really though, you irked me with your offer of RIP, (but be sure to say you don't like the products)---then you drag a personal post about Tim over here to rip into the Gate. As Uberwaltz said, "Show some class". |
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@oregonpapa You would be wrong on both counts. A client was suckered into buying one. The only one crying was him after hearing what real power conditioning can do, and how colored the PPT gear is. He was past his return period, so luckily he was able to sell it to an audiophool that is blissfully unaware. |
@jafreeman Thank you for proving you have comprehension problems. There is a large difference between peak/instantaneous and continuous power. Furman also provides a 20A continuous model. That's the most you would draw from one outlet for US market gear, so The Gate won't do you any magic tricks in comparison. |
jay23 ... I suggest that you do not buy a Gate. Don't even think about buying one. It would make your system sound way too good and would reduce you to a puddle of tears. However, if you DID buy a Gate, I would be the first in line as a volunteer to bake your crow pie. Frank |
@jafreeman You're lacking the comprehension. That's pure conjecture and won't hold up in court. The electrician can easily claim he didn't install it and never said any such thing. Even a "little" Furman with SMP can handle up to 1000+ 6000V/3000A surges without breaking a sweat, and handle overvoltage conditions. https://youtube.com/watch?v=tl5IcWbDOBY https://.youtube.com/watch?v=JujCqjLSQF8 Want to try putting The Gate through just one such surge? 😂 |
Jay, you’re not reading for comprehension---the OP stated back in April that he did have his master electrician evaluate his Gate--his electrician said it was safe and that he even wanted one for himself, and he had even installed all of the OP's new circuits. I wouldn’t expect much from that little Furman, to be used on a 15A circuit and weighing all of 15 lbs. |
I would warn all potential buyers that they should use a bonded, insured, and licensed electrician to install The Gate. Additionally, require a signed and notarized letter from the electrician that they find The Gate to be safe in their professional opinion. Good luck finding such an electrician! 😂 Anything less and you can guarantee that your insurance company will laugh at you when you make any insurance claim related to your breaker box. They'll discover you have an unknown device connected to your breaker box, that you have no clue what it really is, or what it does. More importantly they'll find that it is not certified by any NRTL (Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories). $5000 could buy you FIFTY+ Furman SMP pieces or Series Mode conditioners! That's probably enough to filter almost all electronics in most homes. That will result in actual noise reduction that's been measured, and far greater proven safety & protection for your home and electronics, than anything from PPT. Furman products are certified by UL, CSA, ETL and TÜV! You could even put part of that money towards a Furman ELITE-15 PF I for the main system, and have proven Power Factor technology & over 45 amps peak charge for the most extreme peak power demands. |
@mrs_ppt What is carcinogenic? The 40 years of cigarette smoking (he quit 8 months back), the years of ham, bacon, ice cream and whatever else he wanted. (He hated my organic food.) The stress of starting a new company in a tough industry....well, they all add up.The other thread didn’t seem like the place for this. So has The Gate magically gotten UL, CSA or CE certification? |
Gaters and Pasters ... Listened to this last night. Exceptional vibes and tenor. The sound is amazing. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cal-Tjader-Sextet-with-Stan-Getz-CD-Jun-1990/273742547501?epid=3056398&hash=item3fbc53ca2d:g:ULAAAOSwAE9cfCLn I believe this is the only recording Stan Getz and Cal Tjader did together. Frank |
Off and on over the past two days, I’ve been burning some CDs for a friend, being careful to select those with superior performances and sound quality. As I was digging deep into the CD collection, I pulled out a little gem that any jazz fan reading this should jump on. If you like Miles Davis and John Coltrane from the Kind of Blue era, here’s one not to pass up: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Miles-Davis-Round-About-Midnight-Remastered-Expanded-CD-2001-Legacy/303297971940?epid=44242395&hash=item469df7c6e4:g:A3gAAOSwZH1di7QD It only came in mono, but like a lot of the early mono jazz recordings, it sounds very natural and involving. I have the "Six-Eye" original LP too. If you can find it, grab it. It has superior sound also. I haven’t listened to this recording since installing The Gate and the Stop-Its. I knew it was good ... but now it is just incredible. By the way, the website is up and running ... and much improved. It even has a video presentation. Check it out: www.perfectpathtechnologies.com Frank |
^^^ Nope, my ARC gear is staying put. But knowing how fertile Tim Mrock's mind is, I wouldn't be surprised to see something else after the power strip. I'd like to try one of the power strips for sure, just to see if it would be an improvement over the modified Sound Application power conditioner presently being used. Tim didn't say when it would be available though. Frank |
fazee ... You’ll need one Stop It for each outlet. If you have unused dual outlets you’ll need two Stop Its to cover them. You have four unused outlets, so you’ll need four Stop Its. Ideally, you'll want a Stop It for every open outlet in your house. I have 25 of them throughout my place. Great product, by the way. Very effective. marc777 ... I spoke with Tim this morning. The website will be up soon. The webmaster is still working on it. Maybe by next week, I hope. In the meantime, you can call the number here: http://perfectpathtechnologies.com/ Oh, here’s the number ... 603-203-4486 Good luck ... Frank |
