Peachtree Grand Integrated X1 vs Parasound Halo Integrated

I own 2 Parasound Halo integrated amps. I doubt I'll ever upgrade. They just have the overall sound I love. Rich best describes them.
They improve the sound of any speaker dramatically. And with dedicated dual subwoofer outs, and an MC or MM phono cart switch, you can't go wrong.

@jl35

True, but again, I go back to the sound quality. I'm sure the amplifier section in the HINT is excellent, but does the end user like it?

One thing about both the Parasound and B&O amps, is they are very neutral.  They don't  really add a lot to the sound. If you are looking for something to be euphonic or add extra richness, neither of those amps would do it.

That's why I'm very interested in knowing what the whole package does. The Peachtree adds tubes, the HINT I have no idea about.  I do like the sound, generally, of the P7 preamp, but I have no idea what is in the HINT. Is it like the JC Preamp? The P7? P5?  I'm just guessing.

At the end of the day, I think they could both be fine choices, but only a listening session would determine the right one.

Best,


Erik

there is the issue of circuit design, and quality of parts used...the older Parasounds stated Amp Designed by John Curl, the current ones do not...

@stereo5 Yeah, you have to be a little careful with that. They say on the Parasound website:

"Power amp circuit topology designed by legendary John Curl"

Which is easy to want to read it as "integrated amplifier designed by...." or  "amplifier modules designed by...." but I think both readings are slightly off the mark.  I read John Curl explaining this somewhere in regards to the difference between the JC mono-blocks and the A20.

Don’t get me wrong, I like all their amps. :) I believe what they really mean is that the amplifier modules used in the integrated are derived from work done previously by JC.  Otherwise they would say "power amplifier section designed by" or "integrated amplifier designed by..."

On a slight tangent, I did e-mail Peter Shram a while ago, and his feelings were that they were putting in a much nicer DAC in the integrated than in the P5. I have not however heard the integrated at all.

Best,


Erik

I believe I read it in one of the Audio rags, maybe Stereophile, TAS or Tone.  I do  remember reading it is a John Curl design.  I'm not a fan of Class D yet.  I have heard a few of them and find I get listener fatigue quite quickly.  I good friend of mine has a Peachtree integrated with a tube input stage and 225wpc.  He has it mated to a pair of Kef LS50 speakers.  The sound is nothing spectacular, although he listens primarily to small Jazz ensembles and he is happy with it.  I guess I am one of the old fashioned guys who likes heavy duty output transistors and class A/AB.

@stereo5

Are you sure JC designed the integrated? They often say they derived the amps from his work elsewhere, I haven’t seen him credited directly with it’s design. I could be wrong, I am not an expert in all things Parasound.

I know it’s weird, but the truth is the ICEPower 250ASP units I have sound very similar to some of the Paraounds. That's not to say the  total package of the Peachtree would sound the same.  Just talking about the amps.

Best,

Erik

Still interested if anyone has compared the 2 integrateds? Or has an opinion on the value of the older discontinued Grand X1.

Thanks Erik. There's a Wyred4Sound MMC 5, multichannel amp for sale near me- 221w x 5 for $800.  I only need 3 channels (3.1 system), but Ive been considering it because the price seems right even for just 3 channels of Wyred amp.  Maybe thats a good way to go.  You're right that I'd probably do better with separates, but still the HINT keeps gnawing at me saying "just get me and be done with it forever".  On the other hand, I might be sad being done forever.  

Strange in all my incessant research, never heard of Ghent. Intriguing... any articles or reviews you can point me to, Im not finding much.

I’m a big fan of all the Halo amplifiers. Neutral, sometimes warmish. Never glaring or unmusical or weak. I traded mine in for ICEPower units, but not the bridged models. :) So it’s kind of funny these are the two options you are considering. Still, you can get those amplifier modules for cheap in a Ghent Audio case.

http://www.ghentaudio.com/amp/ga-s500p.html

If you are going that route, your total price may be better with a good preamp and outboard amps.

Still, I would say buy nothing you haven’t heard when it comes to a preamp and DAC. Each DAC chip has it's own quirks that must be addressed properly by the designers. There's good ESS and bad ESS. The total package sound matters.

BTW, you’ll never use the 450 watts. The only way I would think that was a plus is if the 1 watt distortion and noise figures were better, and they rarely are. You may want to look at the smaller amplifiers at Ghent, they’ll be much more cost effective.

Best,


Erik