@ricevs
Im guessing your reply was for me. I try to avoid mentioning such things as they can confuse people
How does the new amp bypass the need for a pre (2+ inputs) or a volume control?
FYI I have long thought about replacing my solid steel vertical rack with a horizontal table. Last week I scored a maple table top locally for $170 its 5 x 2 x 2" (heavy beast). When I moved all the kit out of the SS rack, my Voyager slipped off a chair and the unattached cover slid into the insides. I saw no visible damage but when I turned the system back on the right module went all 4th of July, so I do need it replaced (was unaware that LSA is not making any more. Fortunately, I still have my EVS 1200, which never sounded this good, but since it was last in the system I have completely upgraded all cables + the HORIZONTAL maple TABLE cleared up the rear sound stage from my Open Baffle Emerald Physics 3.4s
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"Bye bye normal amps
Really! I think not but time will tell
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Apparently you don’t know that the LSA Voyager and the Peachtree GaN400 are essentiallly the same amplifier. Both use the same amp boards and probably the same power supplies from EAS (Eleagant Audio Solutions). The LSA site says there are just a few Voyagers left....so maybe they are going to the digital input boards, as well.
The Peachtree GaN 1 is another board from EAS but it is a digital input only board. If you ask EAS which is better (the same board with analog input or the one with digital).....they will tell you the digital is better.....no op amps, no feedback...no DAC or preamp needed.......digital amps are the future of audio. You will see over the next five years more and more complanies going over to this. It is sonically the purest way of amplification.. The future is now with the GaN 1 and soon other companies will be making amps with the EAS boards and they have 400 watt a channel stereo and mono boards.....The revolution is here...NOW!
Of course, there will be other companies coming out with their own boards (Mytek just hinted at that in an interview). The way you do anything effects the sound. So, how you write the software that converts PCM to PWM, the clocking, the power supplies, the bypass caps, the output filter components, etc, into infinity will all still change the sound. However, this first one we have here from EAS is so good that it can replace $15-$20K worth of normal DAC, preamp and amp. The GaN1 can be modded for higher perfomance right now, as well.
The LSA Voyager is $2400.....the GaN 400 is $2500.......the GaN 1 is $2K (on sale now for 1.4K)......and you don’t need a multithousand dollar DAC or preamp or analog interconnects.....way better sound for way less........can you dig it?
There are other class D amps under $3K right now that are REALLY great....the (non GaN) Purifi modules, new new Hypex modules (NCx500 and the diy Nilai 500), the GaN Orchard amps and even the inexpensive Class D audio Mini GaN......but all these need a DAC and don’t sound as good. Bye bye normal amps, DACs, preamps and analog interconnects.....there is a new world....and it is here NOW. Embrace it for your hearts and ears sake.....and with the money you saved.....you can get your wife/children something nice.
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Apparently you aren't familiar with the giant leap in amplifier technology in the last 2 years- GaN amps. I have a LSA Voyager GaN 350, which is cool running and sonically seamless from top to bottom. Anyone saying otherwise is probably not using quality cables, or some piece of kit upstream is the problem, cause my experience using various cables including; speaker, power cords, interconnects and digital cable is the changes are immediately heard. And MSRP is $3000, but typically it's on sale for ~ $2400
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jimbones - I tried the GaN400 and sent it back. In my system it was too analytical and I didn't enjoy the music. The GaN1 is better and far cheaper in a system.
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@chrisld By super clean do you mean thin? I hope not. My idea of super clean is no distortion, sounds like real life, in the room. I can’t cope with thin, all treble, no bass sound, so I’m hoping I don’t get that.
@donnylovely thanks donny. Yes, I emailed Peachtree & they were very helpful. Told me I just need to change a fuse. I’ve ordered a GaN 1 + Node combo. Can’t wait!!!
I have zero understanding of how electronics work, so I’m struggling to understand why the GaN 1 is just quoted at 200 watts full stop. Most amps are quoted
X watts @ 8ohm
X x 2 watts @ 4ohms etc…
What speakers are you guys using? Is there a certain spec that best matches this amp?
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The board says 100-250 Vac. The fuse is 250v 8a
So I belive you could just plug it in
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An update: spent some time switching back and forth between the cheap and simple Zen Stream plus GaN1 and my normal system. I also tried the Peachtree GaN400 and Pass X150 for comparison. The sound is super clean but still enjoyable because there's no harshness added, which is why I spent so much on my regular system, you need good gear to make digital sound musical. The only drawback of the GaN1 is that it is so clean that it takes getting used to. It may help some to combine it with less revealing speaker cables in order to smear the sound a little and make it sound fuller.
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They don't ship outside the US. But their products accept 220 v.
You could do a mail forwarding service or if you know someone in the US, have them send to you.
Thanks donny
Re the 220v, do you know if it can be plugged straight in or is there some internal jumper or something?
Is it the same with the Bluesound Node?
I’m looking into the shipping. I need to find out the shipping weight & dimensions.
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Check out the Darko or audio excellence Canada review on the 400. I think only 1 person on this thread has the 400. There's probably a thread dedicated to the 400, I would think.
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im following this thread and I am considering the Peachtree GaN400. Can owners of the "400" tell me what their previous amps were and comparisons etc. I know the two popular amps out there are the Purifi and GaN amps. I assume they have similar attributes but have some sonic differences, if some one can explain. Thanks Much.
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I have both and they are really good! The GaN1 opens up options to simplify a dedicated streaming configuration. Although, I’m planning on using two of them in an active setup using a miniDSP SHD on the front end. I have one already hooked up and it sounds fantastic driving a full range Camerton Binom-A2s. I have a Class D mini GaN5 on Purifi subs and it is quite impressive.
With that said, the GaN400 has more power and I’m very happy using it with my Rose 150B driving Wharfedale Elysian 2s. It sounds better and than my previous reference Purifi amps.
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I don’t need to bet on the Gan 1 versus Gan 400.....it has already been A/Bed here on this thread. I was talking about the Technics and Lyngdorf amps....which both also use digital amp technology. The GaN 1 has no input switching or bit reducing volume control.....it is super simple and pure.....that is why I "think" it might be better......and the company that wrote the software....(Elegant Audio Solutions and their earlier company D2Audio which is now part of Renesas)....has been writing software since the early 2000s. No one in the world has A/Bed any of them, that I know of. The main "conversion" from digital to analog or...PCM to PWM is written in software in a digital amp......so the better the software the better the sound. That is why there will be even better digital amps in the future.....besides the power supply purity, parts purity, etc. that also effects sound.
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but this amp is simpler and, I bet, better sounding.
So, have you heard the GaN 1 or the GaN 400? Why are you betting if you have already compared them?
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I have the GaN 400.......It’s Awsome ! Needs about 150 hrs. and it will be the sweetest thing you’ve ever heard. The SOUNDSTAGE is Big and Deep.....I like that "I'm there" feeling. You'll love it....Enjoy.
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Understood but it suits my needs at the moment. We will see
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The GaN 400 is nothing like the GaN 1. The GaN 400 has one dollar op amps on the input with a ton of feedback. It requires a DAC in front of it. It certainly is a good amp (same amp as LSA Voyager).....but it no better than the Orchard Stereo amp or Purifi amps from VTV.......the GaN 1 has a shorter and purer signal path....meaning more transparency. And then by spending less money by avoiding a DAC/preamp/cables and amp setup.....you can upgrade your speakers, speaker wires, and digital front end and add an Inverter for sound that is out of this world. There is already one person here who has both the GaN 400 and the GaN 1.....both driven by the Rose streamer (DAC out to GaN 400 and digital out to GaN 1). He preferred the GaN 1. The revolution here is the direct digital input path.....same as what Technics and Lyngdorf are using.....but this amp is simpler and, I bet, better sounding.
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Gan400 shipped and will be here Friyay. Can't wait.
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Hello AudioGoners,
My apologies if this is not allowed and please let me know if it isn't! A customer called me yesterday and directed me here...
Thank you for your support and kind words regarding the GaN 1! I see that several of you have experienced the GaN 1 and had the same reaction I did when I first heard it. I'm sure I am biased as I work for the company and have been a GaN proponent since the beginning, but the GaN 1 was the first time (in my entire 30+ year career in the audio industry) that I heard a PROFOUND improvement listening to recorded music using a $2K product, much less a <$3.5K system. In fact, I can't recall that happening before on any other single product I have heard under $15K and many systems costing MUCH, MUCH more than that. Sorry for the "sales pitch," but I get energized when I talk about it!
We have another GaN 1 build scheduled for December and have allocated it to beta testing. Unfortunately securing all the parts for full production is taking us much longer than we hoped so it will probably not begin until Q1 2023. The "beta" units are identical to production units (minus the owners manual). If you missed the first beta opportunity and would like to join in, please click below. We have a limited number available. We would love to have you join us in our pursuit!
Sincerely,
Andrew Clark
President of Peachtree Audio
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They don't ship outside the US. But their products accept 220 v. You could do a mail forwarding service or if you know someone in the US, have them send to you.
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This combo could be what I’ve been waiting for.
Any idea if PT plan to run this program in UK?
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@mbmi
I think the combo is $1700...
$300 for the node is a good deal
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Correction ... The GAN 1 with the BS NODE is $1698...sounds like a great package.
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just ordered a 2nd....looking forward to bi-amping and using a miniDSP SHD for an active system...
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To add the NODE it's $1599 total......Should I get the Node or an IFI Zen Streamer.
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Damn, that's awesome! Only $100 more. I might order a second at that price. I would have ordered 2 from the start if I knew how good it was going to be. I'm sure we won't see prices like this again once reviewers get their hands on it.
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Announcement......I posted here that I sent an email to Peachtree over the last weekend, to be signed up for the Beta test program for the GAN 1......CD45123 answered me....he stated that program was over and it’s on the Peachtree website @ $2K......I just got an email back from PT saying I qualified for the ENCORE Program for the GAN1. The price quoted to me was $1399 and December delivery...WOW.
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Are the ganfets part of the power supply? Idk if I would want to change those out if that’s the case. Plus it’s a 32 volt 8 amp power supply, might be hard to find an audio one that size. But I to would like to know.
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Has anyone played with changing the power supply yet? I was just curious if someone had gone with a LPS and what the difference was?
Thanks.
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This is his MO.....he will keep pestering you as long as you reply. Best to put him on ignore because what he wants is fighting drama and attention (he knew in advance what the reaction to his comments would bring as he has done the EXACT same thing over and over already on this forum). Give him no attention or fight and he will go away. This MO comes from a lack of self love....as all of anyones foibles are linked to this.....including mine. We are ALL amazingly beautiful.....when we act anything but this.....we have forgotten how incredible we are. May you all know, feel and share your beauty.
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Still an assumption. If you actually listen to it let me know what really happens.
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@donnylovely
Due to the fact that all the other Peachtree GaN amps have had load dependent frequency response and the fact that class d amps without feedback have had the same issue, it's a very good bet this new product has it as well. Prove me wrong.
It's an issue that can be measured. No doubt Peachtree already knows.
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That would be called an assumption. If you actually listen to the amp with two different pairs of speakers of different resistances and the sound falls apart then it would be fact. What has been true in the past doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s true with this amp. Even if it is true with this amp, they might have found a way to compensate for it. But then again it could be totally true. At least actually find out though before touting opinions as facts and telling everybody it is crap. @kuribo
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@donnylovely
That's what I am hearing. It has zero feedback which has been synonymous with load dependent frequency response in class d amps historically.
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@kuribo So you know for a fact this has a bad load dependent frequency response and that peachtree did nothing in the design of the amp to compensate for it?
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Yikes it is back the Pokémon.
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@donnylovely
Those who think that comments about this amp's sound characteristics are applicable in their own systems are being fed a bunch of nonsense. I don't need to hear it to know that load dependent frequency response is undesirable in an amplifier. That isn't guessing and assuming, it's a fact.
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@kuribo of course you have the right. But you're just making yourself look dumb talking all this nonsense when you have no idea what you are talking about. There's no way you could know without actually having the product. All these measurements of other products are useless when talking about this product. If you actually listen to the GaN 1 and test it out , then please share your thoughts on it. You seem to need to be the smartest guy in the room, but you just guessing and assuming everything does not make you that. It isn't useful to anyone except your ego.
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@donnylovely
I think I have as much right to post here as you do so if you don't like my take, ignore it.
@ricevs
More hype for your mods eh? The shilling never ceases.
We have 7 people commenting here that this thing sounds amazing on THEIR speakers.
OF COURSE it does! And there are 672 reviews on Amazon of the Sonos amp that say IT'S AMAZING! And it's ONLY $699! And you DON'T NEED a DAC! It's a TOTAL GAME CHANGER! 672 RAVE REVIEWS! It's revolutionary!
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@kuribo then why are you even commenting on this thread then if you belive that to be true about this product? The fact that you’re posting on here suggests you do have an interest. Plus the fact that you’ve never tested this item means you have no way to know if it is built good, bad, or otherwise. Keep you comments to yourself unless you actually know what you’re talking about. You're just making a ton of assumptions and being annoying to the people that actually have interest in this product.
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Re Kuribo comments:....We have 7 people commenting here that this thing sounds amazing on THEIR speakers. We have ZERO people saying it does not sound great on THEIR speakers. When the number of praises gets to 100 will you still come on here and say the same thing over and over again? Please listen to the amp and see if it sounds good on YOUR speaker.....the only thing that matters. However, we all know that you will NEVER listen to this amp so anything you say here is meaningless to anyone but you and other (measurements are everything) people. So, why waste your and our time? Are you a kill joy? You can live in praise and gratitude and be happy or live in put downs and righteousness and be unhappy. It is up to you. You choose every moment. We all do.
I have not researched all the possible digital xover options out there. I suggested the Minidsp flex for a two way because it is inexpensive and works at 32bit and 96K and would be easy to implement using two GaN 1’s.
I do not have a GaN 1 here yet........please send me one......I will make it sound much better.
So far, no one has said this amp is bright, grainy, two dimensional, unmusical or anything like that.....If it beats a Holo May KTE DAC with Holo Serene Preamp and Kinki B7 monos........it must be pretty darn good. Only YOU can know what it will sound like in your stereo......30 day money back....nothing to lose.
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@donnylovely
Sorry, I have no interest in poorly designed products nor can I talk myself into enjoying their flaws. Get yourself a Sonos class d amp and save yourself $1500. Everyone says it sounds amazing so it must be spectacular!
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@kuribo you’re missing out on a great amp because of your prejudices. Have fun listening to those measurements. Plus if you haven't heard or used it, your opinion on how it preforms aren't valid at all.
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@mbmi the beta test is over, it’s 2k on the site.
@ricevs do you have one of these amps? What system has it replaced for you?
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@donnylovely
No, that isn't the case with every amp, only poorly designed ones. Most well designed amps don't change character with load.
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Isn't that every amp though? Is there any amp that is great with every single speaker? The point seems kinda moot
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Just emailed Peachtree and signed up for the Beta test program for the GaN 1. My current system is as lifelike as any I've heard recently except the $40K system Matterhorn was showing at the Tampa Florida Hi Fi Expo a few months back. I'm a Big believer not just in individual products.(..Honestly, just about Every product in Hi Fi audio is good) but in system synergy.....mixing components to realize that elusive Magic Sound we are all looking for. Currently I found that Magic with the Audio-gd Vacuum HE-1 SE with 10 tubes and it's own regenerative power supply...the Peachtree Gan 400 amp....Audio Mirror Toubador IV Dac...CEC CD transport ( belt drive) and Klipsch Heresy IV's.......but interested to try the GaN 1. Is it still $1499 on the Beta test....
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You must be fun at parties.... It’s a different module. Maybe just listen to it instead. Who cares about load data and rulers? It sounds amazing. Stay ignorant my friend
@donnylovely
Different module, still no feedback. Perhaps if you knew why load dependent frequency response is relevant you wouldn’t be making such ignorant and rude comments. Here’s why: when amps have load dependent frequency response, they don’t sound the same with varying loads. What that means is they can sound different not only across the frequency spectrum with one’s speakers, but can sound different when used with different speakers. There is thus no guarantee that they will sound "amazing" with any or every speaker, disregarding the differences in tastes amongst listeners. Therefore, one can take the impressions of listeners here with less than the usual grain of salt.
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@chrisld - Next I used the iFi Zen Stream (running from linear PSU) direct to the GaN1 and the Stream-iFi app to control the volume. The sound is stunning. It is so transparent, dynamic and enjoyable that it beats my much more expensive system. My class AB amps have a higher power rating, but you would never know it from the way the GaN1 sounds. The control is that good. I wonder what the damping factor is.\
I wonder myself too but, since the Gan1 menu is not even out, there seems no way to find out for the time being. I guess its DF won't be high especially at the low freq. because of the "zero" neg. feedback. In general, low neg. feedback -> low output impedance -> low DF. The Gan400 has low neg. feedback and its DF at 1k hz is reported as merely 230ish. This is usually translated to low DF at low end freq. But the number does not matter if "the control is that good." I am tempted.
I have seen the critique for Tact Millennium saying the top end sounds a bit too much energy, agreesive not too natural. That gets me thinking about the bright sometime edgy sound characteristic of the traditional Class D amp (or digital amp whatever you call it). Is it the case here? I guess not due to the merging modern Class D technology made twenty years later. Could you confirm?
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