Well, the results of my power cord upgrade are in. If you had told me five years ago that for under $3K I could own a pair orf loudspeakers that allowed me to hear the difference between brass plugs and copper plugs on the same power cord, I would have probably said that wouldn't be possible for $30K. But here we are. Needing a rather long power cord in order to move my amp nearer to my Walsh 2000s, I had to stick with lower-priced brands. I once bought a pair of ICs from AudioArt Cables, and liked them, so I spoke with Rob Fritz at AudioArt about a 5.5 meter power cord. Since the long run was pricey, I went with the entry-level Wattgate plugs, which are made of brass. While the cord sounded okay, there was a frequent emphasis in high frequency sibilants that was not pleasent, most often on female vocals. I talked to Rob about it, and he suggested I upgrade the cable plugs to copper Furutechs in order to eliminate the issue. I have to admit I was skeptical, but I tried it anyway. Well, eureka! The copper plugs fixed the sibilance issue, and sound really smooth, with nice extension at both ends, improved dynamic slam, and excellent soundstage width. The power cord was a good deal, but I am still shocked that my relatively inexpensive system with my Ohms was able to resolve this tiny difference in the power cord's plugs. |
Thanks for you thoughts, Wtf. Very instructive. |
Bond,
Your findings with the different power cord plugs are interesting.
Are you sure the only difference was the type of plug? Could the connection to the cord itself perhaps have been more sound with the new plug versus old?
In any case, interesting that you heard a difference. |
Hello all,
It's been a while since I last posted here. When I last did so, I was thinking of possible ways to improve the sound out of my original OW 2s. In the meantime, I got a great deal on a pristine set of OW 2XOs on EBay. Of course, UPS promptly trashed one of them in transit (hey, I got off light--they only trashed one). The mounting board was shattered and the tweeter was knocked loose & rattling around inside the can (what DO they do when shipping boxes?).
I called John S at Ohm who said to ship the cans back for repair and matched revoicing. (Some good advice from Mr. S: have UPS do the packing to deprive them of heir favorite defense, it's your fault for packi g poorly.) I sent them off and in about a week, they were back, along with a replacement mounting board. Even better, John S comped the "high repair" and new board, saying 'it's on the house.' Perhaps he was in the holiday spirit in the run up to the holidays, but a shout out and thank you to John.
The board repair and reinstallation were simple, except that the new board was slightly too big and I had to sand it down to fit. The metal bracket used to screw the old cans not the old particle board mounting panel also didin't fit, but they are unnecessary because the new plywood boards are much higher quality and sturdy enough to hold the screws and the can in place.
John S had told me that he still voices each pair of cans personally to maintain the house sound and that they are voiced as close as possible to the newest generation of Ohms. For that reason, he said, many people think their repaired speakers sound better than before, though the differences are subtle..
Because I still have the original 2s for he moment, I could do an A/B comparison with the repaired 2XOs. At first list, like someone who posted earlier, I wasn't pleased with the difference. The 2s sounded more precise and more detailed, especially in the high mids and up. In comparison, the refurbed 2XOs sounded, well, blah--flat and rather lifeless. On many recordings, the sound of the two sets was virtually identical. But on others, they were quite noticeably different, and the differences weren't subtle. The repaired 2XOs suffered by comparison--highs a bit too rolled off, lacking detailed harmonic and salient reproduction, weaker dynamics, and murky, indistinct imaging and soundstage.
I wondered if the repair had gone wrong or if UPS had managed to damage the cans somehow, but figured after all that hassle I'd just see if I'd get used to them.
Nearly two months later, I decided to give the comparison another try. The differences now are even more pronounced. Only now the 2XOs are vastly improved and now show the limits of the original 2s. Something in the can(s) seems to have needed some running in. Don't know what it might be--supposedly Ohm only glued back the tweeter and replaced a broken inductor coil. The clarity and overall sound of the 2XOs is now beautiful, and much more balanced. The sound is much richer, warmer, and better integrated top to bottom. The midrange is notably more robust, though the highs still sound a bit rolled off. Now, in comparison, the old 2s (still wonderful speakers btw) sound not only bright, but their sound is thinner and dryer. The detail I was picking up before was due to the accentuated highs. The 2XOs now image much better with more detailed resolution, and give a better sense of acoustic space in the room or hall. They still seem to be getting better, with the soundstage broadening out beyond the speakers. They didn't do this before when playing the same tracks, and the 2s never did this and still don't. I doubt that this is the result of my ears adjusting.
If this is an evolutionary improvement in sound, score one for Darwin. Now I'd really like to hear the most recent models (or maybe I wouldn't since I won't be spending that kind of money any time soon). But once again, I'm happy and grateful to have these extraordinary speakers. |
Bondmanp I also noticed some difference with my Pangea AC-9SE power cord when I plugged it in. Maybe just my imagination- most engineers would say that there's no theoretical basis for a difference in sound, but it's one of those minor tweaks. |
Jwc2012 - Thanks for the post. John S. is a real gentleman, and very generous (I speak from my own experience).
Mapman - Of course it is possible that something in how the chord and plugs are connected could be different. However, it was an upgrade done by the cable seller, Audio Art, to a power chord. I doubt anything changed besides the plugs.
Of course, Murphy's law rules: Now having all the cables needed to move my amp closer to my speakers, I did so, and was rewarded with a short in one or more of the ICs. I am stuck with headphones until I sort this out. :-( |
Just a quick update. Loren Charles of Mark & Daniel Audio sent me an e-mail informing me that there was some sort of mistake at the factory. My Omni Harmonizer that I ordered weeks ago was never shipped but that they are now on there way. So I have to wait a couple weeks longer to see how well they blend in with my OHM 3000. Yeah, I'm a little upset. |
Bondmanp--sorry to hear of the short! Any idea of the cause? Hope the repairs don't set you back too much--or too long. |
And yes, I agree with your comment about John S. He's what I'd call a real mensch. In dealing with John, it strikes me that Ohm is very much his avocation, as well as a vocation and business enterprise. Pretty cool, and quite rare in this day and age. |
Hi all! I have read every post here in this great Ohm thread. I have a pair of Ohm manufactured Blue Circle BM2 speakers, see the review here http://www.soundstage.com/equipment/bluecircle_bm2.htm
Now I have 2 questions, Who are those that use the tweeter switch? Your thoughts on this in room tweak?
Also, does anyone have a "Ohm Perspective" switch on their pair? I have a 3 way switch on the inside of the speaker terminals, similar to the type of jumper on a back of German Physiks? In that it seems to adjust the in room response (more vivid, more musical, more damped sort of thing)... May pair seems to have this custom tweak and I am still getting a hold on what it seems to do here... Anyone have this on their Ohms? |
Monk,
Very cool you have the Blue Circle OHMs! I'd love to hear those.
OHM models 5 and 5000 have 4 three way level adjustments. Perspective equates to a mid-range adjustment essentially on those. I suspect yours is similar?
The other three are for treble and low and mid bass.
I find the controls extremely useful to help tweak the sound as needed to compensate fro room acoustics. |
Jwc2012: Well, I sorted out the short. It seems the unbalanced main outputs on my preamp have failed. The wires are fine. Fortunately, my preamp has three sets of unbalanced main outputs, so I switched to a different set. Everything works fine, although I am a bit upset that this will be an issue if I ever sell the preamp. I'd either have to have it repaired or take a much lower price. Most of all, I thought I was buying a bullet-proof preamp, but the first one I bought had the same issue out of the box. I exchanged it, and 2.5 years later, I have the same issue with the second unit. I suppose the weight of the long RCA cables might have pulled something loose in the preamp, but that should not have happened. In any case, I now have the cables dressed in a way that does not stress the output jacks.
But I am back to basking in glorious Ohm Walsh sound! |
Well, the switch does help dial in the enjoyment factor! But I am a tweaker by heart :)
The BM2 replaced Merlin VSM-MXe's so they must be doing something correctly! What Ohm's do for large scale, dynamic performances has to be heard. 2c3d when set up in a audiophile manner (ie no Video screen between them, well out into the room), whether it's large symphonie or piano/voice... you're there, they're here... good stuff indeed! |
Monk, sounds like things are working out just the way they should. Enjoy! You have some very unique speakers there! |
Yup, unique is the right word. Blue Circle doesn't have any mention of the BM2 on its web site, including in the History section. Too bad. |
Yea, the BM2 was a short lived product... only a few out there. There was a dealer for BC that just passed away in the finger lakes of NY (disclaimer - I have no affiliation), his estate might still have a pair available if interested... there is guy listing that dealers BC amps and BC501 dac on usa audiomart, helping that estate out. They are not sure what to do the Ohm BM2 speakers, so they might be had (with a pair of BC speaker cables thrown in) for the right Ohm customer ;-) Its worth a listen to if interested... |
Well - Props to Mapman and other Ohm Walsh owners who have stressed the importance of sufficient wattage. I had the opportunity to borrow from Mike Kalellis, of MK Audio, a pair of his Arion monoblock amps (not the tube hybrid model, but the standard Class D model). These are Class D amps rated at 500 watts per channel. Honestly, I did not think that my Odyssey Audio HT3 (with cap upgrade), at 150 watts per channel, could ever be a bottleneck in my system, especially since I cross over the Ohms to powered subs at 80Hz (1st order slope). But, there you are. As they say in the automotive world, there is no replacement for displacement. With the Arions powering the Walsh 2000s, most of the objectionable things I was aware of at high volumes are gone. I had thought these were acoustics-related, but nearly all of these things, which made high-SPL listening less appealing than moderate volumes, vanished. I also note better depth in the soundstage, more dynamic oomph, and overall, cleaner sound. These are not perfect amplifiers, and I have yet to decide how I feel about the Class D presentation, even as well executed as it is in the Arions. But I now know for sure that the Ohms really do thrive on big-power amplifiers. Oh well, no money for an upgrade now, but I know what I will have to do eventually. |
Bondman,
Welcome to the dark side! :-) |
Bond,
I've run my 100's of my 180w/ch Tube Audio Design Hibachi amps in a somewhat large room and know things are not 100% there at higher volumes because I know what my 5s running of the 500w/ch Class Ds sound like.
I used the TADs to fill in for the BCs when I had to sen done of the BCs in for some work. The performance was very respectable but still fell short of near perfection at higher volumes in comparison, which is pretty much what I expected.
MAX OUT YOUR OHMS FIRST! That's an easy, affordable and happy path to audio nirvana for many I would sugest. |
Underdriven Ohms sound like This. Not Bad. But maxed out OHMS sound like This. Much better! |
Now you guys have me thinking I should try bigger badder amps! I've only heard one class d amp in my system, the PS Audio Trio, which doesn't compare sonically to my Odyssey Cyclops. Anyone have experience with (or thoughts on) the new D-Sonic amps? I understand they no longer use the ice modules. I'm curious. |
The newer d sonics seem to have a lot going for them. Have not heard but really want to. |
The D Sonics and the Wyred 4 Sound Class D amps seem to be the most high value in terms of watts/dollar when looking at 500 watts/channel. The Arions I am now borrowing, IIRC, are priced at $4500/pr, with the tube hybrid version priced at $6K/pr. The other well-regarded Class D amps are also pricey, like the Merrill Audio and the Bel Canto. As I said though, I am not ready to pronounce Class D as the winner. Therefore, I am also considering more traditional high wattage amps, like a McIntosh (used) or the Sanders MagTech. The Sanders, in particular, are competitively priced with the Class D amps under consideration. Well, all moot. Who knows what will be available, and at what price, when I finally have the wood to drop on a new amp? |
Hello all. I've read this thread all of the way through, and d have really enjoyed it! A person can learn about all sorts of things. Speakers themselves, electronics, room treatment, and music, to name the most obvious.
Here's where I am: 13 year old NHT 2.9's that have served me well, but aren't doing it for me any more. I went from NHT 2.5's to the bigger brothers, so have lived with NHT sound for almost twenty years.
I am looking at speakers in two completely different directions. Either the Ohm or Decware omnis, or an active system like the Emerald Physics. My electronics are digital, a modded Pioneer DVAX10, one of the first all-format players, ARC LS-16 pre, and ARC HD-220 hybrid amp. I think I've got electronics covered either way, so...
Has anyone listened to these two speakers side by side? They will do double duty as HT speakers as well, and that gives me some pause when it comes to getting a matching center with the Emeralds.
I've made about a dozen CD purchases while reading this thread, my favorite is Porcupine Tree, Deadwing. Really great! |
I forgot to mention that I spoke with John at Ohm, and it really is as you guys say: he is very interested, personal, and seems like he'll go the extra mile for you. I think the Emeralds are mail order from one dealer, based in Hawaii. That gives me just a little pause as well. I really seam to be pointing myself towards the Ohms! Still, anyone who has heard both care to comment?
Thank you!
James |
Ult,
I think you have a lot of options with your gear, particularly that amp, OHM included.
I think your listening room/acoustics and listening habits may be the thing to determine the best solution.
One thing very unique about the OHM line is how it scales up and down based on room size.
Emerald physics is most different from the other two. It relies on digital equalization as I recall. That could provide a lot of flexibility to deal with room acoustics compared to many alternatives. I recall they are open baffle but use more conventional directional drivers, which might result in a smaller sweet spot for listening compared to omnis.
Decware design is more variable from model to model with their more omni designs it seems. Haven't heard them so cannot compare meaningfully, but I do like the line a lot, especially for products that are designed more around tube amp technology. OHM is not so much nor is Emerald Physics, but your high power hybrid amp would seem to put you in a good place to have options.
Glad you liked "Deadwing". Its still my favorite PT album overall, though FOABP is up there two, though a much harder listen. |
Hello, Mapman. Thank you very much for your response. I called John just a few minutes ago and he's setting up some 300-5000's for me, the older cabinets and the newest drivers. I figure some adjustability should help me get things right. So... In a month or so, I'll be part of the fold! I really hope I like the sound, and I'm cautiously optimistic, though I know it may take me a bit to get my head wrapped around the new sound presentation. I imagine I'll be playing with placement and room treatment for some time, but I'm really looking forward to it. First new speakers in more than a dozen years!
I have quite a bit reading to do.
As to more Porcupine Tree, I think my "new music" budget has been seriously curtailed for a bit!
James |
Ultimatezap - I can't help you with the speaker comparisons, but I will caution you regarding the Ohms: Allow plenty of break-in time. If you've read this thread, then you you should have a rough idea of what to expect as the Walsh drivers break in. That said, enjoy! I think you'll be quite pleased.
As for Porcupine Tree, I agree, Deadwing is the best, although In Absentia is also a favorite. I played "Arriving Somewhere..." at my audio club meeting this past Sunday. Except for the hard-core classical and jazz buffs, I got a lot of compliments, and several people asked to see the CD so they could go home and buy it (or download it). |
BOndman,
That's neat that you have an audio club in your parts. |
I agree, an audio club would be great. Anyone near Kansas City? The closest I've come is some work buddies that come up for a listen, or more frequently, a movie. Felt pretty good (after the initial, "whaaaat?") when one of them said," Nope, I could never have this."
I was a bit crestfallen when I asked him why.
He said, "Because I'd never come out of my basement!"
It's all about perspective and what we get used to.
I'm not looking forward to the break-in. Okay, maybe a little. But ultimately, the result.
I will keep reading and searching.
Thanks guys. |
Ultimatezap: I rarely come up from the man cave! I think my kids miss me, but the wife, not so much. You can try to organize an audio club if you want. Start small with meetings every other month. Food is always a good way to attract people. You might be surprised what might happen if you post on the Audio Club section that you would like to organize a local club.
Mapman - Yes, the NJ Audio Society is fantastic. (Disclaimer - I am the meetings chairman.) The $60 in dues I pay each year are the best 60 bucks I spend on audio. Our activities range from just listening to great music on people's systems to having special guests, like musicians, recording engineers, conductors, hifi equipment and speaker designers, and even antique audio themed meetings. We have over 70 members, with systems that range from entry-level to six-figures. In the four years I have been in the club, I've heard many great systems, some not so great, and been exposed to all kinds of great music. Last year, we had an official from the Edison Museum demonstrate a wax cylinder recorder and player, complete with a concert violinist and piano player, while also recording the performance on reel-to-reel and digital recorders. Last month, VPI, the turntable and LP cleaner people, invited us in to their factory/showroom. It was incredible.
BTW, I have to return those Class D amps today. Depression has set in. My old amp will never do it for me again. I got to save for that monster amplifier. Those extra 350 watts/side made a huge difference, for the better. |
Bond,
Not all 300w+ amps are created equal.
With my newer OHMs, I started with a 300w/ch + Carver m4.0t amplifier. Its designed to sound like a tube amp and not particularly beefy/ high current for that wattage. Went plenty loud, but the low end tonal balance was lacking. THen a 120w/ch musical fidelity A3CR. Better overall up to moderately high volumes, but still not the cat's meow. Then teh BC ref1000m Class Ds. MEow!! |
Hey fella's - just pointing out, to have a another of a select few, Blue Circle BM2 speaker owner's out there... There is a pair listed from that late BC dealers estate on usa Audio. mart right now. Just sayin :) (no affiliation what so ever to the seller or estate - just a happy Ohm owner is all!) |
Mapman - Agreed. I know that the number of watts per dollar is not the only, nor the most important, aspect of a power amp. But I am very curious about the D-Sonic amps. These have massive power, and at least one very good review in the audio press. Can't do anything now. Tuition bills up to my eyeballs. BTW, are the ref1000m amps the current BC model? |
Bond,
Yep, ref1000m still current model. It has had good longevity and I can vouch for why.
Other BC amps like ref500m use next generation, newer Icepower modules though from what I recall.
Have not heard newer D-Sonic amps but they have potential to be game changers, from what I read, even with tube pre-amps, which was not the case with their earlier Icepower based products. |
Well, I've ordered the 300-5000's! Ready to go, should be shipped tomorrow and I'll receive mid next week. Excited. Worried. Heck, I have not listened to anything except my NHT'S in about thirteen years! No audio shows or clubs. No auditions at high end stores. I'm figuring out how to reconfigure my room, as John said it's likely a bit too dead the way I have it set up. Should be fun, right? This thread is incredible!! I'll let you know. Oh, today I learned that I'll likely be furloughed. So. Awesome. No pay raise in four years, and now a pay cut. Excellent. Thank you Sir, may I have another! Sorry guys, had to spout. |
Zap,
Sorry to hear that!
Keep us all posted and let us know if we can help with the speaker situation at least. Cheers! |
Sorry about that, Ultimatezap. At least you will have something to keep you busy until you get back to work.
BTW, I neglected to mention, about 11 years ago, I sold NHT at a regional audio-video store. I always liked the NHTs, and frankly, they were the best sounding (if not the most expensive) brand we sold. But, I do recall very well those metal dome tweeters. With the mediocre AVRs and amps we had on hand, these tweets were displayed in all of their harsh, bright, ragged glory. If any of that has ever bothered you about your NHTs, you're in for a treat. |
Haven't heard NHT in a while but from my recollection, they have a different tonality than OHM, more like the French Triangle speakers that I also listen to and enjoy regularly on my "other" system. |
Thank you, Gents. I apologize for my brief previous rant.
UPS shows Tuesday as delivery day for the Ohms. Yippee!! We've got so much snow around that I hope UPS ventures out.
As to the NHT's, they are a bit bright, so I'll have to get used to a sound that might at first strike me as slightly muted or dull. This is where I hope that the 30 minute auditory memory window really is true!
I'll keep you guys posted. |
A couple of years ago I acquired a mint and beautiful pair of mahogany NHT 2.5's that I was very stoked about, even the wife thought they at least looked better than my beloved NLA's. However, I was very disapointed that I could not get them to sound cohesive at all, with the side firing woofers the bass always sounded detached and rubbery to me.
I was really bummed, I had owned Super Zero's and One's in the past and really loved the "house" sound of those NHT's but the 2.5's were an entirely different beast, one that I was unable to tame.
I realize I probably wasn't driving them with a big enough amp (only 100 watts) but I just couldn't get them to sound acceptable and I wasn't in a position to start upgrading my amp and such so I grudgingly sold em' here on A'gon.
I lived with the NLA's until about 4 months ago when I grabbed a pristine pair of Ohm Walsh 3's and all I can say is WOW. This is what a music lovers speaker sounds like, full rich sound everywhere in the room. Perhaps the best compliment I can give them is they have made me completely forget about my audio equipment and simply enjoy the music (or movie soundtrack) that so beautifully flows from these simple towers. I can't imagine how much better the newer versions of these must sound and I know at some point I will probably upgrade but these 25 year old speakers still sound so good it'll have to wait. Welcome to the club Ultimatezap!!! |
"As to the NHT's, they are a bit bright"
Well, gotta say that is one thing I have never attributed to anything designed by John Strohbeen.
I run Dynaudio Contour 1.3 mkII monitors off the same system as my OHMs. Only difference other than speakers is the room and I am able to utilize better speaker wires there in that my gear including amp also resides in that room.
I would not call the Dynaudios bright, but the sound is night and day way more forward and hotter than either OHM Walshes in my other rooms. The OHMs connect via in-wall speaker wires I had put in when the house was built to enable speakers off my system in multiple rooms.
A lot (a whole lot) is really amp (and room acoustics) dependent. With my prior amps, I noticed little tonal difference between Dynaudio and OHM, other than low end extension perhaps. With the Bel Canto ref1000ms pushing both to their max, I think more of the individual unique character of each speaker design comes out.
With prior amps, I would have said my Triangles were the "brightest or hottest" sounding. Now, I run those on different system better geared towards those, and the Dyns are clearly teh most unique tonally. |
They. Are. Here. Black 300-5000's.
First bit. I do not possess the degree advanced enough that would allow me to repack these puppies, so I hope they work out. Nice UPS guy, but I'm very glad these things come packed as they do. It really is Russian nesting dolls.
Second, HUGE sound stage, but can't get the middle locked right now. I know I have some work to do. I know the sound will change as they break in, but I don't think the presentation will change very much. I could be wrong there.
Speakers are in a fairly dead room, with 3/16 felt, in undulating waves, to 25 feet from the front wall, room is 31 feet deep total. Right speak is 3 feet from right wall and 7 from front. Left is 2 feet from left wall and 4 from front, due to equipment rack behind it. Speaks are 7 feet apart and ten feet to where my head is when I listen. All measurements are within a couple of inches either way of stated, to speaker center. Oh, there is a 65' DLP between them, flush with the rear of the speakers.
Tough room, eh?
So... Get rid of waves in the felt for some more reflectivity? Speakers wider? Me further? More of an equilateral triangle? Speakers more in front of TV to bounce sound? Maybe some more time to acclimate?
Wow, listening to Conan the Barbarian soundtrack, original movie, new recording by the Prague Philharmonic. If you guys don't know this, you must try it.
I think I'm going to like these! |
Well now. Discovered one little trouble that, when remedied, has helped tremendously. Setting up the HT, Audyssey shows, "Front L out of phase". Huh. Wired em up just like my old ones. Double checked. Swapped red and black on FL, and BAM Baby. There's my center. And my bass!
If red is right on each speaker connection, then they wired the left out-of- phase. No biggie. I can definitely wrap my head around this! Four hours and counting. |
Ult,
In general, the ohms might be worth a try a tad closer to the rear and side walls than otherwise if the walls are more acoustically damped. Sounds like you are on the right track though.
My 5s sit about 4 to 5 feet out from the rear wall which has a doublesliding glass door with vertical blinds behind them. Walls are standard drywall with 2 foot square acoustic panels at prime side wall reflection points, speakers also 3 feet or so from sidewalls. They fire down the length of my L shaped room, about 34 feet long. I often prefer opening the verticals and exposing the glass doors. No bad effects as many might fear in general.
I'd let john know if you think the speakers are not wired as they should beand see what he says. |
Thanks Map. I'll be livening up the room this week. I'll talk to John, but I think it's just a black red binding post issue. Things came right into focus when I swapped wires, and nothing else changed. A good start, and it only gets better as things settle in, right? |
I am second day in, (32 hrs), and they are staying. Fantastic. The wife agrees. So, covered on both ends. She's off to grab a CD that she wants to hear. Inception in right now. Pirates earlier, plus Aja Steely, Tori Amos, Sherlock Holmes. Doesn't matter. It's all huge and enveloping. It's loud, but we can talk to each other without really raising our voices. Centered when needed, but big, wide.
I've moved them closer and out. Me like. |
I have found that I had my room treated for Merlins, so I had damped the room a bit (to offset their "personailty")... I found as I removed some of the Echotunes/roomtunes/cornertunes devices, that live sound returned, that air returned, while still keeping that quad/stat cohesiveness to the huge stage... Also removing some of the roomtunes helped the 2c3d thing to "pop" into place. The only room treatments left, are those in the lower half of the rear wall corners, BELOW the Ohm canister - I found any room treatments above the canister to damp things down too much here.
Also, like others in this thread have mentioned, I have the speakers level, and level with each other. Makes a big difference here with the 2C3D thing also. Getting the canisters to fire at the same angle and height. All walls just melt, with my Ohm's 6-7 feet apart, firing straight out into room, 3' from side walls, pulled well out from rear walls (using the Cardas method for speaker placement), 11' to listening position (good sized room).
Like Ultimatezap found, just a huge stage. and I have found I cannot make them sound un-musical - and even when crazy loud on big symphonies or metal, you can still hear the person next to you.
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"It's loud, but we can talk to each other without really raising our voices."
That's a very good omen!!! |
Just noticed this thread hit 1700 posts! That is nearly 10% of all the posts in the entire speaker section, unreal. |
