Coiling is detrimental to sound quality and 2 different lengths is bad as well.
|
OP I strongly doubt that you would hear any difference at all. For resale purposes I’d consider buying from a Co that will reterminate the long cable into a more desirable pair. Some are reasonable and some aren’t. Ive had great luck with AQ. It would only make sense if you’re spending a lot of money. If not just buy and enjoy.
FWIW
|
He claims that years ago he conducted double blind studies with I stop reading here. You know this is BS, so whatever comes next is PhD- piled higher and deeper. |
|
The signal travels at close to the speed of light a few feet in difference of a cable doesn’t matter. The higher resistance of a few feet will not change the " loudness" it won’t change anything. |
The difference in loudness is equally trivial and inaudible but I guess you can convince yourself of anything if you try.
BTW, I see there was a typo in my original post. It should read:
"
How can you possibly relate these? Moving the speaker 1foot
changes the arrival time (at the ear) by a bit less than
1millisecond. Changing the cable length by 7
------------------------------------FEET--------------------------------------------
changes the arrival time by about 0.0006microseconds." |
The difference is not due to timing but in loudness. The longer cable is a bit weaker in loudness due to its higher resistance. Moving that speaker a bit closer to the listener makes it a bit stronger in loudness.
|
Sorry, Sonicbeauty, but you did relate these two variables in your statement and there is no scientific justification for it. What works for me: I use a 16ft on one side, and 9ft on the other. This shifts the stereo image to the short side on the 9ft run.
I counter-balance this by advancing the 16ft side speaker about a foot in front, and the image centers beautifully. Since you assert that you can fix the problem by moving the speaker a bit, you are extremely lucky or it is the result of something else. |
Zydo. I agree with your statement:
''I don't believe 99.9% of people could tell the difference. Granted, its not optimal, (on paper) but, can YOU hear it? In a blind test, I would put my money on no every time.''
And Kr4's scientific contribution:
''How can you possibly relate these? Moving the speaker 1foot
changes the arrival time (at the ear) by a bit less than
1millisecond. Changing the cable length by 7inches changes
the arrival time by about 0.0006microseconds.''
Kr4, let me tell you how I relate. I use a very sophisticated instrument: My ears. |
I experimented with different lengths of cables due to an odd room setup. I obsessed over the issue myself. I could tell no difference with unequal lengths whatsoever. I don't mean any disrespect, but it seems a little far fetched to think anyone can hear difference in microseconds due to unequal lengths of cable. |
I don't believe 99.9% of people could tell the difference. Granted, its not optimal, (on paper) but, can YOU hear it? In a blind test, I would put my money on no every time. |
Your dealer is wrong.
The better the equipment the more you will notice the
difference in the uneven cable length. Well, that assertion should settle it for once and all. All you have to do is be able to accept it. I can't. |
Your dealer is wrong.
The better the equipment the more you will notice the difference in the uneven cable length.
Really, IMHO you should go as short as possible.
I think you should rethink your equipment layout and try to make the runs close to the same. |
Thanks everyone. I spoke to a local dealer who " does not believe in significant difference". He claims that years ago he conducted double blind studies with groups of audio enthusiasts, repeated each test 10 times and less than 20% were able to tell a difference 20% of the time. He moved to a smaller space fiew years back and has a 50 and 30 foot run of silver sonic that he cant use and will part with for a $100. I will pick it up and experiment myself. |
A few years ago I murdered a perfectly good extension cord looking for a good speaker cable. Needed 6 feet on one end and 12 feet on other. Tried other lengths (2 ft-15ft, 6ft-20ft etc) and found that any mis-match of length more than 20% was sonicaly notable. Have tried more recently "better" cables with similar results. Shorter-longer not better-worse, just different. Moving speakers around will change perception due to different sonic presentation of different cable lengths. Regards to all that have commented on this aggravating topic. Mike |
I too agree that coiling the excess length is undesirable. And that having significantly unequal lengths would probably decimate resale value.
A point to keep in mind is that if you can manage to find speaker cables for which the longer cable behaves in an essentially neutral manner with your particular speakers and amplifier, imposing minimal sonic effects on the signal, the shorter one will too. The higher the impedance of your speakers, the easier it will be to find such a cable, although significant trial and error may still be required.
And I agree with Kal's point, that if in fact having unequal lengths has adverse sonic consequences in some systems, propagation delay/arrival time differences are NOT the reason. Although I think his reference to 7 inches should have said 7 feet, and therefore "about 0.0006 microseconds" should have said something like "less than 0.01 microseconds," at most audible frequencies. That figure would be somewhat greater at deep bass frequencies, btw, but still thousands of times less than the arrival time difference resulting from a 1 foot difference in speaker-to-listener distance.
Regards,
-- Al |
Sonicbeauty wrote: What works for me: I
use a 16ft on one side, and 9ft on the other. This shifts
the stereo image to the short side on the 9ft run.
I counter-balance this by advancing the 16ft side speaker
about a foot in front, and the image centers beautifully.
How can you possibly relate these? Moving the speaker 1foot changes the arrival time (at the ear) by a bit less than 1millisecond. Changing the cable length by 7inches changes the arrival time by about 0.0006microseconds. |
My unusual set-up requires 16ft on one side and 9 ft on the other. I have tried every possible combinations. Equal lengths with one side coiled, equal lengths with no coiling but a mess, name it. Cheap cables, expensive cables, homemade cables, Home Depot cables, heavy gauge, light gauge, and probably a few other combinations.
What works for me: I use a 16ft on one side, and 9ft on the other. This shifts the stereo image to the short side on the 9ft run.
I counter-balance this by advancing the 16ft side speaker about a foot in front, and the image centers beautifully.
I have always used this way to get a virtual channel balance control even with even-length cables for micro-adjustments.
Not saying it would work for you but worth I try!
Good luck |
I agree about NOT coiling the wire. Consider a Z/fanfold instead. As far as lengths you may want to go to a home depot and pick up 42 ft of cheapest wire you can find. That way you can cut 2 18ft and 1 6ft length and try that to see if you hear a difference. Also consider if you do get a high end cable of different lengths resale will be tough. |
Never "coil" speaker wire. It will cause
inductance. As far as the lengths, you're going to get
recommendations from both camps. Many feel that different
lengths don't matter. IMHO, they should be the same length.
If the system is just for casual/background listening, it
probably doesn't matter. |
