I hope you enjoy your speakers; many sources say the man is a great designer.
My problem with Tekton is their business model. If I want to compare two or three of their models... I can't! Well I can if I want to pay multiple return shipping costs which can get rather pricey.
Further compounding the problem is there is a variety of basic designs. So who knows, for example, whether the patented array is worth getting. And if it is so great, why don't all of the upper tier models have it?
Just too many variables here for me. Again, I am not questioning the designer's talent. It is just that the product line is overblown, confusing, and largely unavailable to audition. |
I would agree. That’s why it took me so long to try them. |
His pricing is reflected in his business model. There are plenty of reviews on line to make an educated decision. If these speakers were in a brick and mortar store they’d cost way more than the cost for return shipping on 3 pairs.
Why not read reviews, buy the pair you think will best suit you, listen to that 1 pair and then if you aren’t satisfied return them and move on?
Do you agree? If not, how could eric improve his business model? Ship multiple pairs of speakers to people for home audition then eat the shipping costs and resell the speakers at a discount because they are demo’s now? Theres not a ton of profit in his speakers. He would go out of business and then you wouldn’t have anything to complain about, then what?
@dtapo, great review and congratulations on your new purchase. I hope they bring you years of listening pleasure. Tektons look like a great value and what he’s doing is completely unique and appears to really be grabbing quite a bit of attention! |
Figured you were smart to go with the Enzo 2.7. Not that I'm aware of any bad reviews on any of his (impressively wide range of) speakers, but the tweeter array sure seems to be a big part of it. The Enzo 2.7 has almost the full 7 tweeter array of the higher level models, so not at all surprised to hear a lot of the same praise. You must be one very happy camper!
Also not surprised to see, "At first listen, the sound was disorienting, but in a strange, good way." Because that is pretty much what I hear- and yeah I know its only "hearing" via Youtube but still its enough it seems Tekton makes other speakers seem veiled and closed in. They just seem to have this incredibly open, effortless, dynamic presentation. Since I have a pair on order (Moabs) really nice to hear more good impressions- especially hearing they sound this good this early in the game.
Thanks!
Say just curious, do you happen to know how Eric did the tweeters? Are they all the same? What I mean is crossover, are they all the same or only the center one really functions in the tweeter range?
Also how do you know about construction? Have you been inside already???
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@dtapo Glad you went with the 2.7s over the Lore. You had inquired regarding which one in the earlier thread.
Congratulations on your Enzo 2.7s. So happy to hear you are enjoying them! And thanks for sharing your early impressions! |
@millercarbon The center one is crossed higher than the other 6. I used a cardboard tube to listen to one at a time at low volume. I know, very high tech. I've built maybe 6 or 7 pairs of speakers in my life, I had to know what was inside. |
My understanding is he developed some interesting, maybe even patented/proprietary bracing or construction techniques. Which when you build speakers you know just how critical it is to have a cabinet that not only holds the drivers securely but also is braced to prevent the kind of baffle and side wall movement that turns these into radiating surfaces contributing sounds we don't want to hear. In other words ideally you feel nothing anywhere on the cabinet even when the speaker is playing quite loud. Which we never really get there but that is the ideal.
Most designers deal with this with tapering or curves, which are stronger but much more expensive to manufacture. Or they use esoteric materials. Or both. Which is even more expensive. When I look at Eric's designs its not the boxy shape that bothers me its wondering if or how he is able to get the stiff dead cabinet we want so affordably and conventionally. I mean, 1" MDF! The baffle on my sub kit from Parts Express is 1.5". Not knocking, just really really interested to know what is going on in there!
Thanks for the paint chip tip. I will have to be extra careful now!
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@millercarbon Correction, the baffle thickness is 3/4 inch. I measured just now, earlier, I assumed it to be 1". Most speakers I've owned have been in the neighborhood of 5/8" |
Interesting. It does help of course that his larger drivers aren't recessed. Sitting on top like it does increases the baffle thickness at the driver significantly compared to flush mounting. Still, very interesting.
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One should choose speakers based on their own ears, not those of reviewers, professional or otherwise. As for these speakers being great bargains, they may well be. But I have heard that song before. Selecting speakers based on other people's preferences or comments is not the best way to get the best speaker for me. You may well be able to buy a well regarded speaker that way... but will that be the best speaker for you? My problem is you don't even know if it is the best Tekton for you.
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First you criticize their business model. The business model of a guy whose speakers have earned near universal acclaim from professional reviewers and customers alike for making speakers that outperform the competition and are fantastic bargains. The business model of a guy whose business is growing so fast he can hardly keep up with orders. Far be it from me to feel worthy to criticize one with such financial acumen, I should be humble in the presence of such eminence.
But then I notice next you criticize the OP for the crime of buying speakers he just wrote at length and in detail describing how wonderful they sound. So now on top of being a business analyst worthy of a seat on Berkshire Hathaway it turns out you also know more about the OP than the OP himself. The last one to even come close arose from the dead, and even he had the humility to avoid such arrogance.
Thank you so much for letting us all know what is a problem for you. Now if you would only be so kind as to please no longer be a problem for all of us, we would surely appreciate it. |
dtapo,
That is an informative review. Congratulations and enjoy.
What made you finally pull the trigger on these after two years of thinking, if I understood your two posts correctly? Were you able to hear them in person?
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@glupson No, never heard them first. But several years back I built a pair of speakers and tried to copy the Lore model - and they sounded pretty good, but were so ugly, I finally got rid of them. I spoke with Eric several times and read every private sale description, forum post and review I could find about his products. The tweeter array models were of particular interest and I'm happy they sound as good as I hoped. |
I'd really like to hear Eric's current offerings. I bought a pair of Pendragons a few years ago and while they were good for a 2K pair of speakers, they weren't anything special. From all I've read, the DI and similar are head and shoulders above. Congrats to the OP.
Oz
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To the OP, you wrote an excellent review and you should enjoy the speakers for many years. To the speaker designer, you obviously have great talent. May you and your company thrive. To millercarbon, read the comments here. Look how many people want to hear these speakers. They cannot easily do so. That is my point. Even the OP indicated hesitating for 2 years before buying. Why? Because he had no way to audition them. To the rest of us, if we choose to buy things like expensive loudspeakers solely on the basis of written reviews, we may be successful and we may not. It's our money and our dice roll... But with Tekton, it is a dice roll. |
dtapo congrats on your purchase and great that they are fitting in with your system! Many many members here have no shops available to audition equipment.There's no option except to research,make a decision,roll those dice,then audition at home.
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I too am interested in Tekton but will NEVER buy a speaker without hearing it first. And I too am confused by the multliplicity of models and designs. I am not criticizing the company's business model or products in anyway; I'm just stating how I would approach buying new loudspeakers.
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Well I rolled the dice on a pair of Spatial Audio X3s last year having never heard ANY of Clayton Shaws speakers, It worked out well for me as I love them. But I have played the game and lost a few times too. I've owned 30+ pairs of speakers in the last 25 years. I bring 'em in and if they don't work, I ship 'em out again.........
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Enjoy your new acquisition. I'm sure they are fine speakers. I have a PL HP, along with the Denafrips Ares for my digital listening, though records are my primary source.
One thing I noticed about the Tektons cabinet build. The drivers appear to not sit flush with the baffle. Is this correct? The woofer mounting in particular, reminds me of a DIY project. I wonder if one could request the driver cutouts to be routed like all quality speakers? An email may be in order.
Appearance is important along with performance, is important to me. Maybe the only thing that would keep me from trying a pair. |
I too am interested in Tekton but will NEVER buy a speaker without hearing it first. And I too am confused by the multliplicity of models and designs. I am not criticizing the company's business model or products in anyway; I'm just stating how I would approach buying new loudspeakers. This was my firm conviction too for many years. Ultimately though I found it is just too limiting. Looking back over the years at all the many components its clear my system would be nowhere near as good if I had limited my purchases to only things I could hear before buying. Tekton does have a lot of models. If all you do is look at them its easy to wonder why so many. Hard to see this being the case though for anyone seriously contemplating better speakers. Because then no way are you just looking for speakers. You have a budget and use in mind. This narrows it down real fast to only a couple. Like in my case I thought Ulfberht, but wondered if it was enough better to be worth double the Moab. In this case dtapo had his own set of priorities that narrowed him down to just a couple contenders. Its not that hard to choose- when you are actually ready and looking to make the choice. |
@tablejockey. You are correct that the woofers are surface mounted, not routed in flush. I understand that Eric at Tekton has done some custom things for customers in the past. Zu speakers are also surface mounted, in fact they (Zu) have a metal ring between the speaker and cabinet, pushing them out even further. Maybe something to do with timing the tweeters and woofers? |
Erik gets awesome reviews |
One thing I noticed about the Tektons cabinet build. The drivers appear to not sit flush with the baffle. Is this correct? The woofer mounting in particular, reminds me of a DIY project. I wonder if one could request the driver cutouts to be routed like all quality speakers? An email may be in order. My bet is Eric will explain this adds quite a bit to cost with little to no sonic benefit. Routing the baffle removes material making the driver less secure, unless its made up with reinforcement inside. Can you say $$$? Also, time alignment. A lot of speakers have angled fronts. Large drivers are deeper than tweeters. Tilting back aligns them. Surface mounting does the same, for less. When you ask, would be nice to know what he says. |
What did speakers cost new ?? Erik has onv eliminated dealers..cost is down and obv no demo. Cant have it both ways i guess, |
Do we really need another Tekton review or even a post.Sorry I didn't read the above review and have no interest as I've seen and heard the product,yea I know call me a troll or as Trump would say to anything non flattering "fake news"......but junk cabinets,average components,no ability to audition, visually dog butt ugly,average sound for the investment....... |
Don't hold back, we want to know how you really feel.
I've been told I'm abrasive and rude, but you make me look like Mr. Rogers. Don't you have anything better to do?
Lighten up, Francis.
And this is coming from someone who doesn't own, nor has any desire to own, Tekton speakers.
Oz
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The first thing that stood out was the midrange: it was huge, but not
in your face, blown out of proportion kind of way, it just had more
presence and scope. It (midrange) doesn’t sound warm or syrupy, or
compressed, but rather very fast, neutral and detailed. These speakers
keep different elements of the record well sorted and they sound
effortless doing it.
This is the kind of thing makes me think Eric must know what he's doing. |
@millercarbon Also, I'm noticing the clarity of the highs is also very pleasing. I have about 75-80 hours on them now and I think the speakers are coming together even more. I played around with the Ares 2 DAC and tried the fast filter on the OS setting, and wow, the highs are even faster, tighter and more extended without any harshness or sibilance. The transient response from bass to treble is very, very good. The tweeter (in the middle) seems to be crossed over rather high, so maybe its more like a super tweeter. These speakers seem to convey whatever is upstream. I rolled tubes in my PrimaLuna and the differences were a little more apparent than in other speakers I have used. I don't listen loud very often, and I'm impressed how good they sound at low levels, they're still dynamic and have strong bass response. I'm using my Elekit 8200 8 w/c amp more because they're so sensitive and dynamic. When I'm in another room reading, I keep getting pulled into the music and end up putting the book down.
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Wonderful stuff. When I was reading all the typical 'sounds great' comments at first I thought yeah right here we go again. Because we all know an awful lot of guys get sucked into whatever's new and flashy and more often than not it turns out merely different, maybe not even better. It was only when I started seeing comments like 'draws me in' and not just detail and clarity but adding very natural, at ease, not at all fatiguing, etc that gets my interest. Best was some guy said his wife has her friend listen to Stevie Nicks and she's moved to tears. Audiophiles can talk themselves into anything but women? One woman playing music for another and they're crying???! Home run!
Tweeter crossed over high makes total sense. After all, they all are tweeters. But at a high enough frequency the wavelength becomes short relative to the driver. I'm not a speaker designer and don't know the math but if the wavelength is much longer than the driver then you can have a whole bunch of them and they all seem to be one source. That's how the array works. But at high enough frequency the wave is short relative to the tweeter and then if all of them were driven it would smear the imaging.
When I do the math for a roughly 1" tweeter the wavelength works out to a frequency of about 8 to 11kHz. So yeah pretty high.
I don't know about your speakers but am told the one on the Moab is crossed over down around 300 Hz, with meaningful output another octave below that. So with a super fast tweeter midrange array handling everything from 300 to 10kHz - and an effectively co-axial tweeter- no wonder it sounds so good!
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Still enjoying the Enzos? Ever hear the Electron SE’s? I’m trying to decide between these or the DI’s... so hard to choose. |
Yes, still enjoying them. The drivers have broken in nicely and the bass and low mids have opened up and smoothed out. Right now I’m using my 10w/c tube amp with them with very good sound quality and a deep soundstage. My SS 85W amp also sounds very good, with slightly tighter bass. They are dynamic and sound good at both high and low volume levels, although I don’t really listen to music as loud as I used to. I find them to be very entertaining. I’ve never heard any other Tekton models. |