New Project RS2T transport

Sirs, Charles one dad and lpretiring: still investigating LPS, Your decision to purchase the Fidelizer Nikola2 has my attention: I've been to Audio Bacon website or post: He has several that have passed the litmus test.  With research on them all.  A lot to take in,  I grant you!  It's not a deciding factor by any means, but, The LTA LPS has a 2 year warranty, which caught my attention. I don't want that to be deciding factor, but, never the less caught my attn:  Just curious, If either one of you, or friends have tried any other LPS. I know Charles one, has a very revered friend that suggested the Fidelizer, for what I believe to be obvious reasons, SOUND QUALITY.  I have no problem as I have said before, (riding ones coattails). Just curious if there is anything else out there, that you wished you had looked at? Thanks Robert 

@dtwomey 

The RS2T is a legitimate very High End CD transport. I’m convinced that the utilization of the Stream Unlimited-Pro-8drive/Blue Tiger servo integrated unit is a major contributing factor. Which Lumin model and DAC do you have?

Charles

I had one minor issue with my Project RS2T transport. The SPDIF output wouldn't work with my Pontus DAC but the AES/EBU worked flawlessly. That minor issue aside, this transport is a giant slayer. It took my system to a whole different level and my expensive LUMIN streamer did not come close.

Dan

Thanks Charles, I'll shoot them an email soon, and ask those specific questions. Have a good weekend. Robert

@robshaw 

Yes, specify the component name/model and 20 volt/3 amp requirement. I’d ask if they can tailor your umbilical cable length to need.

Charles

Thanks to you both for the update. Still waiting for my cables. Been 3 weeks now, I guess that's the price you pay, No pun intended. What is the protocol for ordering? Do I need make mention other than the cord length, 20V 3 amp, or are they familiar with the Project RS2T unit?  Thanks Robert

@robshaw 

The Fidelizer standard cable length is about 5 or 6 feet. So it depends on on far apart or close you want the RS2T and Nikola II. I have them side by side so 18” is fine for me. I do not like the rat’s nest of long cables all over the place behind the rack. So I try to get by with cables as short as I can. This works out for me and is also more neat.

I have had my RS2T since last November and my admiration continues to grow. This CD transport provides superb Redbook sound quality unquestionably.

Charles

@robshaw 

That is the cord from the power supply to the Project, correct?

Yes the power supply to the RS2-T cable.

The supplied cable I now have buried so I'm not exactly sure of its length. However, it's pretty long. If you sure of positioning I would recommend requesting an appropriate shorter length.

The shorter the length the better usually for sonics, and who needs to deal with messy cables right?

    LP

Thanks for the updates. Please keep me advised. Have a small farm, and motorcycles (hobby) don't have as much time as I would like for my music, but, seem to manage. If I were to choose Fidelizer 2, should I specify the length of the  umbilical cord, and does it matter? That is the cord from the power supply to the Project, correct?  Thanks again all for the education. Robert

Yes, looks like quality parts probably throughout. I was impressed to see a Furutech IEC as well.

@lpretiring

Indeed. All you have to do is let those quality parts steadily burn-in. This is why in my opinion the Nikola II is worth the higher cost compared to the regular Nikola (Which is very good at its price point). I believe that the splendid RS2T deserved the higher level LPS. I've added a very good silver power cable (Lavricables) for the Nkola II.

Charles

@charles1dad 

"The Nikola II has an upgraded larger transformer, heavier gauge wire and better quality Mundorf capacitors. "

Yes, looks like quality parts probably throughout. I was impressed to see a Furutech IEC as well.

@lpretiring 

My RS2-T and Nikola II improve every day and last night's listening was quite enjoyable. With only 19 hours on the unit and 3 settling days I'm really looking forward to what's ahead

Yep! You’re on the right track and sound quality will continue to improve as you’ve noticed. The Nikola II has an upgraded larger transformer, heavier gauge wire and better quality Mundorf capacitors. All of this just needs sufficient hours to fully burn-in.

100 hours is good, although Keetakawee (Fidelizer owner) told me 200 hours is needed. lp, good thing is that you can always upgrade your umbilical cable at anytime if so inclined. You have an excellent CD transport and LPS combination.

Charles

@robshaw @charles1dad 

I believe Robshaw and I are out of the woods in the area of reliability for the foreseeable future. Hopefully this is due to Pro-Ject addressing the issues and not the case of the squeaky wheel.

My RS2-T and Nikola II improve every day and last night's listening was quite enjoyable. With only 19 hours on the unit and 3 settling days I'm really looking forward to what's ahead.

I regret not discussing the length of the DC cable. Like Charles my LPS is on the same isolation platform as the RS2-T. About 1/2 meter or so would have been perfect as opposed to the 1 size fits all. A good point for all to remember when ordering an  LPS with a clear set up plan.

@robshaw 

I’m happy happy to see that you continue to enjoy the RS2T and have not encountered any problems. The 3 LPSs you mentioned are all high quality and well regarded. I don’t believe that you could go wrong with any of these paired with the transport.’ I buy USA made products but this isn’t a requirement for me or a deal breaker. The Fidelizer is serving me exceptionally well, so no second thoughts. There are numerous ways to achieve wonderful digital audio sound quality. The RS2T and Fidelizer Nickola II is certainly one of them.

Charles 

Charles1 Dad and lpreting, Glad you received your RS2T and it is working well, mine continues to work well, my crossed fingers aren't as tight as they used to be. Also glad you received the LPS, I believe that Charles is correct, but, time will tell as to break in. I'm waiting for my 2 Cullen Crossover 2 cables, nothing to date, just being patient. Looking forward to adding them to my AMP, which I love. Hoping for a very noticeable improvement.   Also, have been reviewing LPS, I have started reading on the LTA LPS, The Fedelizer that you both own (which has gotten very good reviews) and the Plixir elite BDC unit.  The LTA unit is the only one so far that is made in the USA.  I always think about service regardless, and the need for repairs if necessary?  It would be easier if some of the companies I'm reviewing had a USA arm for service. Plus a one year warranty,  pretty short. Even the RS2T has a 2 year.  The Plixir I beleive is Thailand.  Just hoping both of your Fedilizers are true winners, I have my fingers crossed for both of you. Good sharing of ideas. Thanks Robert Shaw

@lpretiring

The Audiogon member who made the DC/umbilical cable (Using the VH Audio PC-OOC wire) had owned the RS2T months before me and had tried different LPSs and cables. As I have mentioned before, we’ve known each other quite some time and trust each other‘s ears/judgment. So he went with what he felt sounds the best with this particular pairing.

Due to the delay in receiving the RS2T, I actually got the DC cable a few weeks before arrival of the transport. So I just used the custom cable from the beginning. Also the stock cable is far longer than what I need/want. The RS2T and Nikola II are beside one another so 18” length is ideal for me.

I haven’t used or compared the stock cable. I was informed that it’s actually pretty good but can be bettered. I’m very happy with this RS2T/Nikola/cable grouping and it will be around for a long time.

Charles

@charles1dad 

I contemplated discussing with Keetakawee a possible upgrade to the umbilical, but let go of the idea because of all the delays and no mention on the website.

Did you initially use the stock cord for a good period of time prior to your friend building your OCC?

     LP

@lpretiring 

It good to know that both items arrived in good shape and functioning as they should. A little patience is all that’s required. 😊 You’ll be fine.

Each audio system provides its unique interaction. The Nikola II out of the box hinted at what was to come. It just improved with accumulated hours of use, I don’t have the stock OFC DC power cable (Which is good). A good hearted Gon member (Who also has the Nikola II) made me a very nice OCC-PC 18” DC cable.

Charles

@charles1dad 

I received the Nikola last Wednesday, and the RS2-T this past Saturday.

Both arrived in excellent condition and are functioning as intended. But do I hate break-in time. 

I intensified the process by retreating connections with Mad Scientist graphene along with the fact that I utilize many PPT mats that need to settle in as well.

Immediately however I noticed a slight increase in resolution. Otherwise from the lower midrange on down there is a lack of precision and control along with the loss of dynamic contrasts that give life and excitement.

Already today I'm noticing a mild improvement in the lower regions that's giving me the confidence to know it's just a matter of time now.

         LP

@lpretiring 

Hi, have you received your exchanged RS2T and the Fidelizer Nikola II LPS? If so, how are they working out for you?

@robshaw 

I hope things are continuing smoothly for you. Have you gotten your new power cables yet?

Charles

Oops! That's was supposed to read Odin 2 Gold power cord. FYI, I do have a Pangea Premier XL 1.5m (MSRP $169) for sale to more than get you by

@bjg Just a thought since you also indicated an interest in a better digital cable; whichever transport you get if you have the ability to use the AES/EBU connection I think you’ll find an upgrade in sound over SPDIF . I switched to that connection in my 2nd system between my Simaudio 260DT CD transport and either Mojo Audio EVO or Modwright Elyse DACs and found the uptick in SQ readily apparent. I use a Tchernov Reference 2 AES/EBU digital cable. Good luck on your journey!

thanks -- that's all i needed -- now I get to go shopping ! 

Bart 

@lpretiring 

Excellent news!

I am glad that Sumiko is testing your RS2T prior to shipping (Should become standard procedure).

You should have zero problems with your Fidelizer Nikola II LPS. It’s a very overbuilt unit for the assigned task. It has been flawless for me with 24/7 operation. Never even gets warm to the touch.

Charles

My Nikola II has shipped and is projected to arrive on Friday.

Also, Sumiko messaged me yesterday that my replacement RS2-T is tested and ready to do the exchange. 

I guess the old adage "when it rains it pours" applies here.

Hopefully all goes smooth this time around. Won't take long to find out now.

@bjg 

This is admittedly a lengthy thread but in the first few pages there are mentions of CEC/Jay’s Audio/Pro-Ject comparisons. You might find these somewhat helpful.

thanks -- I'll check out the cables - I need a good digital coax cable

I had several CECs. My experience was the belts stretched often, and CEC thinks they are made of gold. I love my Audiolab 6000CDT which is a HUGE bargain, especially when upgrading the power cord (I have a Ali-Expess Odin 2 coax and the Doing Gold power cord). If you're a 'phile on a tight budget, do yourself a huge favor and try them

Hi -- I'm going to pick up a transport and I've seen a lot of great info on the CEC TL5 belt driven transport but not nearly as much as the RS2 T seems to be getting.  Perhaps because CEC has been around for a long time and the R22 T is new technology. 

Has anyone transitioned from one of these to the other -- I'd like to make this a purchase with little regret - so I'd like to get opinions from anyone that has heard both -- i'm not letting the cost be the deciding factor -- I just want to get a better idea from anyone with some experience.  either one will be a step up from my OPPO 203UDP - which I'll use for SACD etc.. -- but i want to take my redbook CD listening level beyond my existing streaming quality and blow the dust off my CD's 

thanks for any advice 

Also, to the above  (baylinor) I could have gone very easily to the Jay's and been very happy. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I Finally enjoy mine. Happy Listening

Robert, exactly the way I feel. There are numerous paths to obtaining excellent sound quality. No doubt that the Jay’s Audio transport will get one there. You and I can certainly vouch for the Pro-Ject RS2T as another. Robert. I appreciate your kind comment about my audio system.

Charles

Charles 1 DAD, Thanks very easy to do.  All I can say is WOW!  Very Impressive! system. Thank you. Robert  

Also, to the above  (baylinor) I could have gone very easily to the Jay's and been very happy. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I Finally enjoy mine. Happy Listening

Never tried a RS2T but I have the Jay's cd2 mk3 since January and it sounds absolutely fantastic and has caused me zero issues. 

@robshaw 

No problem I understand. Click the square with my initial “C” in one of my posts. Just as yours is square with “R”

Charles

Gentlemen, Thank you so much for the response in regards to the LPS. Riding coattails is not a problem. Done it many a time. I have read many good things on The Fidelizer 2 thus far.   Charles one DAD, don't laugh too much. I asked my wife when I read your post, REF: your Avatar, what is that, she asked? I commented, I have no clue. As I approach 70 this December, I realize how computer illiterate I am at times. I will figure it out though. Just thought I'd give you a good laugh. Robert

@lpretiring

Thanks for your kind words and vote of confidence.😊 It just is not possible to hear/audition every single component you are interested in prior to a purchase. Thank goodness for a forum like this where one can rely on experienced and trusted word of mouth recommendations. I hope that your Nikola II LPS arrives soon.

Charles

@robshaw 

The reason Charles and I chose the  same LPS is simply the fact I have a lot of respect for Charles 1 Dad's knowledge and audiophile connections for evaluation purposes. In other words I've ridden his coattails!

I ordered the LPS on July 6th. As mentioned in an earlier post it is taking a little longer than expected.

Hoping for shipping information this week.

LP

@robshaw

If you click my avatar you will be lead to my virtual audio system page (Titled SET Bliss) My entire system and some pictures are posted there. With regard to the choice of LPS. A very trusted long term Audiogon member owns the RS2T. He has both the LTA (Linear Tube Audio) LPS and the Fidelizer Nikola II LPS. He told me that both are “really “ good but said the Nikola II is even better sounding with the RS2T in his system.

He and I have compared notes on same audio equipment and always seem to reach the same conclusion. I guess our ears are just very much alike. So long story short, his recommendation and preference for the Fidelizer Nikola II LPS was good enough for me. As always with High End audio, YMMV.

Charles

Charles 1DAD, I hope this is ok to ask? Just wondering what speakers your listening to?  Thanks, I think!  Robert

Very disappointing that the REP: from Project didn't respond further, it would have meant a great deal to me. Listened yesterday for a hour and a half. Thought it sounded better than before, but, wrote it off to the Bourbon. Turns out as Charles said,  improves with time, even with the wall wart.  Can't imagine with the LPS and a upgraded power cable.

Just curious why Charles 1 DAD and Lpretiring , both decided on the Same LPS for the Project??? Just nosy I guess. Haven't really started looking yet. But, what better recommendation than for actual ownership!!!!  I'm sure I could look up the phone number, but if handy would appreciate.  Lpreting , just curious as to your time frame of ordering and receipt. Thanks very much. Robert

@robshaw Listened to my system for an 1 1/2 today, just keeps getting better, if that possible. Have a great weekend all. Be safe!

Robert,

You can expect continued improvement in the sound quality for the first 100 hours or so. And this is with the wall wart SMPS. So yes, more to come, then further more with a good LPS.

Charles

Thank you for responding Robert to my question. Lack of response from them is hard to understand; guess QC & CS aren't their concerns

Robert, I wouldn’t group Pro-Ject and Fidelizer together. The latter communicates well and is responsive. Their problems are external supply chain uncertainty. They are as frustrated as their customers.

Pro-Ject has apparent internal quality control issues with certain products. From my vantage point this seems so correctable, if attention is sincerely paid to it. An out of the park home run product in terms of sound quality, yet dropping the ball with very fixable QC problems. It makes no sense for someone not to follow up with you Robert.

My support of them has been strong due to the fantastic music reproduction their CD transport contributes to my audio system. But they need to get the entire act together.

Charles

Facten, and Charles 1Dad, In answer to factens post, I received JUST one post from the Rathammer initially. I had sent several or at least a few additional posts to him citing my experiences. To date: He or any representative from Project has never contacted me. Very disappointed.  To me service is EVERYTHING!!! Most anything I buy, service is the deciding factor. So far my RS2T is performing as it should, now with the third one. I will continue to look into the LPS, with the aforementioned thought in mind. ( SERVICE) If anyone has any thoughts or experience with LPS, please feel free to comment.

    Would it not be nice to hear from a company rep: on this post! From any company that makes them???  Listened to my system for an 1 1/2 today, just keeps getting better, if that possible. Have a great weekend all. Be safe!

@charles1dad

Frustrating...yes. I know it hasn’t been a real long time, but it sure feels that way.

It can be hard for a business to do but what’s that saying about under promise and over deliver? Anyway, I feel it has to be shipped this week because I’m starting to get crabby.

@lpretiring 

There was a bit of a delay when I ordered my Fidelizer Nikola II back in January. Fortunately it all worked out well. These supply chain issues are no doubt frustrating. Do what is best for you. All I can say is that it is a top quality LPS fit for the RS2T. 
Best wishes 

Charlles

@robshaw Glad that you got squared away , enjoy. I do have a curiosity question - aside from his initial where did you buy it response did Rathammer ever respond further to your quality control concern, and if so anything worthwhile to pass along?

Purchased a Nikola II on July 6th. 

My last update inquiry was on Aug. 16th. Fidelizer has respond timely to requests for information. The following day I was informed my unit was to be built that weekend and should be shipped to me this past week. No shipping information as of this moment.

I'm not sure if going forward there will continue to be component supply issues which was paramount in causing most of the delay it appears in building me an RS2T LPS. 

I would recommend a conversation to this point for future potential customers.

LP

Robert,

That is good news to hear from you. As with power cables, there are numerous good choices available with LPS. The LTA has proven to be very good according to RS2T owner feedback. I can certainly vouch that the Fidelizer Nikola II is a splendid high quality choice. 
 

Robert I’d just caution not to try to go too cheap when choosing the LPS. Definitely go for the quality. The RS2T is a first rate CD transport and in my opinion deserves an appropriately paired quality LPS. The Nikola II is a bit more expensive than the LTA, but no regrets whatsoever from me.

Charles

Charles1DAD, Thank you for checking in. Have about 12 hours or so invested. So far so good. My fingers are tired after crossing them so much.  I played a CD that I hadn't listened to in a while, The best of the EAGLES. Wow, couldn't get over the sound. Just awaking.  Hoping all continues well.  Thank you for your power cable suggestions, and others also. I decided to go with the  10 gauge Cullen Crossover 2 cables. My AMP ATI 6002 requires 2 cables, so it was somewhat expensive. Looking forward to receiving them and seeing what they are capable of doing? I assume a few weeks,but, who can tell anymore. I will let all know the outcome. Also starting to look at some LPS. I know you have the Fidelizer Nikola 2 and seem to really like it. That is one of my considerations, another that interests me is the LTA LPS, if that is correct? I believe roughly the same cost? There are others too. Just tipping my foot in the water at this point. Thanks again for checking in, I'll keep you posted. Robert  TN

@robshaw 

Hi,

Just checking in with you. I hope that all is continuing to go well with your RS2T. Have a wonderful weekend.

Charles