My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Amazon is a monster that will get us all if we are not careful. I can get just about any credit card but I don't even consider Amazon anything. This is modern America, you need a good lawyer, including for substantial financial transactions.
WC I don't understand, if you were truly scammed and lost $$ why not tell our community by whom? 
I consulted with lawyers. If you handle things the wrong way, it can cost you as well.... 
You can't plaster things online plus the moderators will probably take that down in order to avoid legal action from anyone.  
Jay is absolutely right. If someone really wants to do negative advertising, so to speak, one must be very determined and prepared. 
Anyway, we look forward to hearing Diablo 300 with Magico M6.
@riaa_award_collectors_on_facebook , Only problem with Fidelity Visa is extra fees on transactions outside US.  Even Canada through PayPal.
Capital One MasterCard is my backup.  1.5% cash back on all transactions no limit.   No extra  fees on transactions outside US.   Use to buy amp from dealer in Canada last summer.   With current exchange rates, huge discount buying from Canada.
Basically, you bought the Magico A5 to resale them.

Sure would be great to hear them playing but I agree you would loose in resale value.
WC,Looks like you're having fun with all of the equipment.  We finally get to see how Soulution compares to some of the others.
Dave
Forget Swiss vs Danish or any groupthink.  It is about the thinking of individual designers, wherever they come from.  From what I read, the older Soulution 700 series was the perfectionist real thing, devoted to accuracy.  Reviews said that the 500 series was euphonic by comparison.  Never heard them.
Interesting. I’m here fine tuning the speaker positioning and trying different cables with the soulution before I do the first video of soulution with m6. Should be an interesting video.
The m6 tweeter is 8K resolution, the alexx, Alexia 2 and sasha daw were 4K
Dynaudio c4, alexia 1 were all 1080p in comparison.
I can even hear the "warmish" presentation of the pass labs components and some of the last tiny details being absent at times but i don't know if it is the small 60.8 or the xp32. More components to come around june. Let's play with more affordable gear this month and next month until i begin to push the gas pedal in may and june...
Get ready, in June you will see the world premiere of electronics that nobody has ever introduced on youtube:
Monos with pure class a
Battery powered linestage
Gryphon-like grip and control

I placed the order today and it will all be here in 8-10 weeks... For now, let's do the smaller offerings until we begin to put 101 octane race fuel in here and go full throttle. 
I heard that Soulution sound excellent with Stage III power cords but you have top Nordost, Audioquest and something else, I forgot what. Should be fine. What do Soulution distributor and dealers recommend, I wonder ?
I think, one can speak of Swiss sound and engineering, not sure of Danish sound and engineering.
It would also be interesting to have D’Agostino Momentum integrated for comparison. $55k for integrated is a hell of a lot of money. Soulution 330 is $22k or so, I think, without phono and dac options. I only heard 330 on youtube with smaller Kharma speakers and some other speakers. Sounded good to me, refined sound, very different from both Gryphon and Accuphase integrateds.
inna 

2nd -- Stage III Concepts power cords. Excellent sound, integrates well with other brands (Audioquest Cardas).

Happy Listening!
Not enough power to make an accurate assessment. The 60.8 monos are far more powerful than this Nagra Amplifier. 

Don't like the sound, artificial and incoherent. And too digital. I think, not enough power for the speakers as well.
I am sure, Jay, that you are going to get very different impressions. Impossible to do but I would compare it to Soulution/Wilson set up. Magico seemingly sound more open than Wilson, though.
Based only on this video I would never consider Magico speakers, as for the Soulution 530 I would definitely try it with other speakers. Kharma, Sonus Faber etc.
This sound as presented and heard thru youtube is very far from real.
How can a speaker display dynamics when the song playing doesn’t really have any? .... 😫
No, not edgy and artificial.  Sounds exciting to me, although I haven't heard this recording on any of Jay's previous systems.  Accurate and lively with clarity sounds edgy and artificial to people who crave euphonics.
Where is the dynamic ?...

LOL,
I just looked at the soundwave of this song, it’s compressed as a tortilla. There is also nothing ’real’ in this recording, no acoustic anything, even his voice is processed to a T. Magico is a fine wagyu steak, not a burger king whopper, you will hear it like it is 😐


I smell magico hatred 😂Hey it happens.... But this also goes to show one thing: people don’t really wonder or stop to think that MAYBE you are begining to detect "digital" characteristics from my DCS due to the magico m6s superb transparency?
How can it be a speakers fault to sound digital/artificial when the source is digital? 
Where is there a report that claims that dcs sounds analog...send me the link...ill take a seat and wait..
Let's just not call each other names. Whatever the reasons, that sounds like crap to me. How much is Focal Grand Utopia, $250k ? Not my preferred sound either, I consider it bright, but that's my preference, I would not call their sound artificial.
I don't really want to comment about digital sources, especially streaming.
There is Zanden cd transport/dac for sale on Audiogon, now that would make an excellent digital source, I guess, never heard Zanden.
And Jay, I said "too digital", I didn't say it about your previous set-ups.
Wilson speakers were alive with any amplification you used, these so far are sort of robotic AI.
So any time over the past year-plus that WC has parted with a Wilson Audio speaker, it has been less than a month before he had a different Wilson replacement. High-end Focal being the latest to be quickly replaced by a new Wilson. 

Let’s see if the much more expensive Magico M6 fares better, but if we are already pointing fingers at dCS Rossini with an external clock that is definitely not a good sign. 

I’ll reserve judgment for now. Interested to see how it plays out. The shuffling of gear is always exciting, and a real kick that we can be along for the ride
Guys,
Dcs uses wilson alexx at the factory... Dcs is built around wilson Audio so yes you heard excellent synergy. Alon Wolf (MAGICO CEO and lead engineer) uses MSB....
These are minute details that are overlooked and most importantly with what was arguably MAGICOs best speaker up until the M9 was released.
You hear everything with this speaker. If the source is bright, you get brightness. If the song is harsh then you will hear harshness.
Soulution is also extremely transparent and with muscle.
Remember, this is the starting point...
I literally grabbed a soulution integrated and a pass labs xp32 and began to play.
I already have the next "tank" in the room ready to inject some juice into the M6.
I’m only playing with pass labs and soulution 530 to entertain you all more than me. I know exactly where to go in order to accelerate and push things to sonic bliss never heard in my room before. I’m giving you  "talk" and creating a reality show for you all to simply present thoughts and opinions. Think of this as the "intermission" for the audience. The main show is months away.
I’ve been doing this long enough to know what to put front and center between the speakers.
Did i not say i was going to go cheaper electronics ? You all got spoiled  by the Boulder artillery i had here. Admit it 😂
So basically you are saying, the goal was to show your audience how crappy those M6 could sound.

Just kidding you WC. We can hear the highs crazy resolution. And sure the Magico M6 do sound great and have a lot of potential.
It wouldn't occur to me to match dac with speakers, but why not ? It does occur to me to sort of match phono cartridge with speakers, though.
Yes, I already admitted I was spoiled by the Boulder.
I think, Wilson camp and Magico camp will remain as separate as ever. And yet another camp don't accept either.
This is awesome that you guys have preferences. The mágico guy will hate wilson and vice versa. Meanwhile I am just here trying to enjoy both and take notes. Both have strengths and weaknesses and i will go over those in a future video. 
I have love for both but in different ways. I understand both camps 100%. I couldn't ever tell a mágico or wilson owner they are wrong for choosing either speaker. 
For now, stay with me, keep riding and let's keep going forward. The ride should be what matters and not the destination because the destination might never come. 
Spoiled by Boulder and Alexx, yes.

Can't wait to see where this new ride goes. I'm sure WC has great things in store for us all. Hopefully better digital too.
Just wait...i have already purchased 2 amps and preamps that will go toe to toe in about 3 months. 
Then hopefully by Christmas i can do the biggest amps ever... (My back hurts)
I like Wilson's and some Magico's but the last video sounded very artificial IMHO. Was it the very revealing tweeter? Maybe but still not my cup of coffee.
Not just tweeter, the whole thing appears to be wrong, we'll see. And that slippery carbon fiber..
Wilson is real macho stuff, Magico is hi-tech 'digital' silicon whatever.

Hurt back..
I don't think it is going to be top Boulders, that'd be $250k retail, but maybe Mephisto monoblocks, or DarTzeel or..I don't know.
I like the post of henry201 just above,

"I just looked at the soundwave of this song, it’s compressed as a tortilla. There is also nothing ’real’ in this recording, no acoustic anything, even his voice is processed to a T. Magico is a fine wagyu steak, not a burger king whopper, you will hear it like it is 😐"

Still, whatever musical information is in this processed recording, DCS and Magico reveal more of it.  As in other matters of life, appreciate the positives and ignore the negatives.

Magico and Wilson could not be more different. 
During my time in the Army, i learned to like Dr. Pepper after seeing my buddies drink it all the time. Today, i still like it, but i don't think i would given it a shot if i had not been in the military. (yes, for those of you who might not know Dr Pepper is a popular soft drink in the military). 
With that said, liking Magico or Wilson is no different. I have noticed that some folks go on an all out assault against both brands, but they have not owned either?  
I have been very vocal about taking audio shows with a grain of salt and not assuming that what you hear there is what you will hear at home. 

To me, and excuse me for being blunt here, the most qualified feedback i can get is that which comes from an actual owner or former owner of any particular product (audio or non audio-related). I don't really want to hear from the person who has not spent time with the item (and again this is no disrespect). 
If i wanted to learn more about what it is like to be a doctor, i am not asking the nurse; I am asking a doctor for feedback as to what he/she does on a daily basis and what are the challenges of his/her profession. 
Lastly, and this is something that i am sure most of you know, but i will go ahead and say it, when you see someone bashing or hating on ANY product, take a look at his/her system and who they are and 9 times out of 10 you will have your answer as to why they feel this way. 
I doubt if too many hate a brand of anything just for the sake of it.

Perhaps they just don’t like how it sounds.

Nothing wrong with that, as long as the criticisms are reasoned and not over the top or full of hyperbole.

Let’s see how it goes

My guess is that this speaker gets replaced by AlexxV within 2 months
I can't replace with Alexx V until later this year or next year. I need to let the "hype" die off first. Besides,  i have a lot of plans for this M6 with electronics i have never owned. I have done Wilson long enough to understand what it does and it does not do. I don't feel i know the M6 as much as i know  any Wilson speaker. 
Makes sense. I agree that Wilson and Magico are very different.

Probably comparisons between Magico and Focal (which you know well) will be more appropriate.  I hope this one isn't skitzo like that last Magico you had : )
nah. 
My entire goal was to land here with the M6. Once i owned the Alexx, i knew a small speaker like the M3 would not be sufficient to satisfy the large scale that the Alexx got me used to. It is a curse to own big, huge sounding speakers. 

"I don't really want to hear from the person who has not spent time with the item (and again this is no disrespect). "
Well, that might apply to most of us here.  Should we not comment then on what we hear in your videos?  Is your intention to limit our comments so that we don't make comparisons between speaker brands, based upon what we hear in your videos? 

Dave
@thezaks:

When i said " I dont want to hear", I meant it as "i don’t consult or gather input". It was not to restrict any form of opinion from being shared here. Opinions is what this is all about anyhow, but that does not mean i personally let them shape my own. I am also not trying to shape anybody’s opinion on what sounds good to them.
The most abrasive part of giving an opinion is when it is not substantiated with facts behind it (whatever they might be). I don’t take any negative comments or attacks towards Magico or Wilson personal because i am not under their payroll, they don’t sign my checks, i am not sponsored by them. Let them go to battle with their own critics.
I do, however, feel a bit surprised that some of the nastiest criticism  comes from those who have limited exposure or experience with the brands you all see regularly on my youtube channel.
Also, i am not strictly speaking only about this thread or my channel. This is a holistic feeling that i have about critics. 
Sorry for not making it clear before.
I don't know what soft drinks doctors like.  All soft beverages are bad because of the sugar.  I only drink kombucha, plain tea, coffee, water. Years ago, a study on diet coke showed no weight loss compared to regular coke, very surprising.  The chemical sweeteners stimulate the appetite more than sugar.  Both chemicals and sugar cause damage to the intestinal lining, resulting in "leaky gut" which is the gateway to many autoimmune diseases.  Most doctors don't know this, and are busy prescribing dangerous immunosuppressive drugs for these autoimmune diseases.  Very few doctors are health conscious, and are the medical equivalent of hifi salesmen.

Jay, you are very muscular, which is healthy.  I'd be curious to know what your body fat % is.  I like these body fat scales you can buy for $30-60 and use at home anytime.
The perfect match for those Magico M6 tweeters would sure be a pair of Luxman M-900u , with the matching preamp C-900u.

I would bet my house it would be a case of perfect synergy here.
That's how it was displayed at the florida audio expo in 2019...it was indeed amazing. 
Top electronics exposes speakers, this Magico is going to be exposed too, as the Wilson was. But even not top, just pretty good, electronics like Soulution 530 will show enough. I personally don't really have any bias, that's I don't care which speakers will sound better to me. As with the amps, before hearing those Boulders my preference was Gryphon, and I had no idea about D'Agostino sound. Now I would choose either Boulder or D'Agostino and would pass Gryphon, except Diablo. But even with Diablo I might actually prefer overall top Accuphase integrated, not sure, would to a degree depend on speakers too.
In any case, this thread is mostly about amplifiers, Jay just brought in very controversial and polarizing brand. Wilson, most people are at least OK with.