My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Diablo 300 might come in and do battle with an integrated that is more than twice the msrp. 
First video of the Alexx V
https://youtu.be/7zcSf_u9jgo
Interesting how it has morphed and now it has lights incorporated just like the chronosonic.
Looks very promising!
Hmm, an integrated north of $35k or $40k msrp (whatever double current msrp of diablo 300 is)??? I guess that narrows it down quite a bit.

Ugh I hope it isn’t Momentum (personal preference - not my preferred sound). If so bring in Luxman 590axii, or the Gryphon, or the Boulder 866 to stomp it.
Diablo 300's msrp is $16k without phono or dac, more than triple the price brings in what, besides D'Agostino ? It may bring in Soulution 530 and Audionet, forgot the name of the model. Also, some Vitus maybe.
Can't be Momentum then because that wouldn't be more than triple.  Has to be something else
I can’t imagine spending that much on an integrated amp. Would go separates for sure myself at those levels so I don’t even know what’s available. But it’s just Monopoly money for WC

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I totally get it but i I've been down separates for a long time...kinda running out of options at the level where I was...I'm going to try what is arguably one of the best integrateds out there with my new speakers. 
I think, it's a good idea. Though I myself too would probably go with separates, many would choose integrated for the simplicity, space and aesthetics. Not everyone enjoys living room full of boxes, weird lights and cables. Gryphon Diablo, both 120 and 300, and D'Agostino Momentum integrated make sense to me. Well, speaking new equipment. However, D'Agostino is $45k, and almost certainly for this kind of money I would get Lamm hybrid power amps and Lamm preamp. But that's me.
One day I'll try lamm. I'm just not quite motivated yet...many have said to me privately I'm already past the lamm sound... They said if I were with pass labs or krells or simaudios of the world that i should consider lamm but since I've been to brands above those then it would be a step backwards no matter how i look at it. 
Other integrated amps that make sense to me are Soulution 330, Nagra Classic, Ypsilon Phaethon and Absolare.
That's probably true, especially considering that Lamm are not that powerful. There are also SET Lamm, of course, but that's outside your preferences. 
Lamm hybrid separates vs any integrated ? That could be interesting.
One step at a time... We will probably do the diablo 300 versus this other integrated and then pass labs xa60.8 driven directly by my dcs Rossini versus the unknown integrated...
Then next month i will be introducing tube monoblocks to throw in the fire and see what results we get...let's play, mix and match, have fun and see what happens...why the hell not right?
I thought you were not interested in tubes. VTL ? Wavac? Allnic? CAT?
Dac directly into power amp ? Most people prefer preamp in between. I have no opinion, it probably depends.
I don’t particularly have much interest on tubes but when they come knocking on my door then why not try and play a little... Plus remember it helps my channel tremendously.
I have a couple of acquaintances who do youtube for a living but their channel is about their car and they all tell me that you must change product or your subscribers begin to lose interest. This was another reason why i sold everything at once. It gets many interested in what is coming next.
Next week I hope to tease you all with my next speaker. Maybe i will do a video with music playing and not show the speakers...i have many ideas but not sure yet.
I'm interested.

That would actually be cool. Start with music playing, lights are down, pan around the room a little, ( not to long ) Maybe pause for a few seconds and ask people to guess.
Then center on the new speakers. Boom, Sony's.

Just kidding, it'll be Wilsons.
I am trying to understand why apparently many like Luxman sound. I can't. I mean, there is nothing bad but I find nothing special or engaging.
Accuphase is not particularly engaging either but it is a more refined deeper sound. Yeah, a bit too mellow for me, but it's excellent sound. Sure, I'd take D'Agostino instead and Gryphon as well but it has its appeal. Classic Japanese transistor sound.
Ok ladies and gentlemen,
Here is the list of the 6 speakers that i have carefully gone over and one of these speakers will be the speaker that you guys will soon meet :)

  1. Sonus Faber Aída 2
  2. Wilson Audio Chronosonic XVX
  3. Mágico M6
  4. Vivid Audio G1 Spirit
  5. Rockport Lyra
  6. Kharma Midi

It was one hell of a difficult choice, but i did my homework and i feel pretty good about my selection.
Next week i will unveil my choice and go over the reasons why i selected it over the rest !
I vote for the Vivid G1. No, I do not own them, but a good friend of mine will soon be powering them with a pair of class A/B Rowland M735 monoblocks.

G.
 

I know other folks have also guessed the SF, so I will be different and go with the Kharma Midi.
Dave
After watching your videos, Jay, I now want nothing but Boulder and D'Agostino. And add Wilson Alexx to it. I didn't really like those JM Labs Focal speakers. And Wilson Alexx is so much better than the model you had before, Sasha, I think.
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Jay’s throw-back systems!


https://youtu.be/pDqTwHzRzzo

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Those videos are random clips recorded with my phone when I had no intention of creating a youtube channel. I figured I’d share them with you.
The Kharma speaker line is interesting.  The flagship Veyron 1 uses an array of 1" diamond tweeters for higher HF and an array of 2" diamond tweeters for upper midrange freq.  In an AV showrooms video, the designer implies that the larger tweeters extend down to the midrange, my guess 700 Hz, with the other drivers working from lower midrange on down.  This reminds me of the Tekton Design array, but done better with diamond tweeters.  Too bad this implementation is unavailable in the lower Kharma models.  You have to spend a good fraction of a million bucks to get it, plus have the space for the 90" tall and weighty boxes.  They would never offer their tweeter array with the smaller models to save money, space and weight.  Just business.

Kemper Holt did a nice review of the Acora Acoustics speakers.  On their website, you can find comparative reviews of the smallest stand mounted speaker with the same Be tweeter as the flagship larger speaker.  The small speaker is comparable to the larger speaker.  I prefer the smaller one for its midrange/HF clarity, although the larger one is more spacious and is better in the lower midrange/bass.
I had forgotten how good your systems sounded back then...nothing like the latest systems but very good. The new room made a huge impact in overall SQ. Always wondered what the Neo's would have sounded like in the new bigger room...with the Boulders. Whoa
i will say that they sounded incredible even in the small space. Deep bass, huge soundstage that went behind my head. It was a nearfield listening experience that always blew me away. 
i am done with panels for now. You all have no idea on the logistics it takes to get a martin logan neolith inside a room. Too much work, then they are very wide so they would also block my view of the screen and i just don’t want to complicate things.

That said, since we are talking about electrostatics/panels, i will go ahead and give another hint about my new speaker: It is BY FAR the closest to a panel sonically speaking. Any slight movement and the entire presentation changes. I have never owned a speaker that sounds this close to an electrostatic/panel, but with dynamics. 
4 days to go!!

"... I have never owned a speaker that sounds this close to an electrostatic/panel, but with dynamics ... "

Definitely the Giya G1 Spirit.
"...Any slight movement and the entire presentation changes. ..."
Is that desirable? I understand it is sometimes necessary.   A trade-off I am guessing.

Dave
Jay, the situation with a panel and head movements and the sound field collapsing is the reason I decided not for me.  I'm eager to see your new speakers.  
My guess is Jay meant any slight moving of the speakers changed the presentation not moving his head.  
Mmmm...I wonder if that would change anyone's guess as to which speaker it is then?
Dave
  1. Panel-like imaging
  2. Superb transparency
  3. Houdini disappearing act before your eyes
  4. One inch movements can be heard
  5. World-class decay


“I wonder if that would change anyone's guess as to which speaker it is then?”


Not me. Not a fan of the big windup so won’t waste time thinking about it until the announcement days away
This comes from Kren ? The guy who knew all my speakers before I got them in here? Nah...something is not right lol 
I get why you do it but it’s kinda annoying. But if it drives subscriptions fine. Just not gonna put too much extra thought into it at this point 
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