Moving to separates


Does anyone have an experience they'd like to share about going from just an AVR or integrated to using external amp(s)?  My Integra AVR has 100 W per channel (class AB), all channels driven, and sounds very good, so it is not clear to me that there is any advantage to connecting its preouts to a separate amp.  Might be a total waste of money.  Please mention your specific equipment.  Thanks!

skeptikal

Agree with @ryder on the statement of the integrated. Many times, using an AVR as a 2ch preamp is not an optimal solution, and you won't get the best performance out of a better 2ch separate amp. It may be better to have a high quality integrated amp with a good preamp stage built in and home theater bypass so the analog signal is completely processed by the integrated vs the AVR.

My current system is two channel combined with surround sound via my preamp’s HT bypass. I use a Jeff Rowland Corus preamp for my 2-channel and Trinnov Altitude 16 AV preamp. Out of curiosity I took the Corus out and only used the Trinnov. The soundstage shrunk, less detail, and I thought I lost some musicality. Not night and day differences, but enough differences that I could never use the Trinnov as my 2-channel preamp. Some believe the preamp is the heart of a system.

I made the jump years ago by going from an AVR to an amp driven the AVR, then to a combo dac/preamp which bypassed the avr entirely, then to a pre and dac separates.  . My avr was not as good as yours. The biggest gain to be had is getting the avr out of the two channel system entirely (although I still have an AVR for HT use and use the external amps and speakers for HT, but the AVR/TV is off for two channel listening). The DAC and pre in the AVR are good, but not as good as well selected separates. Several small steps result in a big step. Honestly, you really need to try it and see how it sounds to your ears on your speakers.

BTW, I admire your room treatment and the effort you put in to improve your room before spending on electronics. I need to do a better job at that.

An AVR contains EVERYTHING in the same box, hence the inevitable close interaction between all the parts in it. Separates do just the opposite, separating all the parts so there is no negative interactions. The result should always be a purer, cleaner sound as long as carefully assembled with adequate cabling. It's expensive and  time consuming to build but plenty worth it imo.

The best is to decide what your long term plan is. For me, I have two main systems. My stereo system and my home theatre system. I went to separates for both of them a long time ago and I stick to A/B amps. For example, in my home theater, I upgraded my pre-amp twice, and my speakers twice, but, the old ADCOM GFA-5503 three channel amp, and the old ADCOM GFA-585LE 2 channel amp from the 90’s are still in service - but, I did have to service them because of their age and some leaking caps. If you plan to go separates step by step, then, using your AVR as a preamp, and starting your journey with amp separates with a lot of power that you plan to keep for a super long time is for me the correct way to start. This is exactly how I started with my stereo system. I bought the one ADCOM 585LE and used my old Sony Receiver as a preamp. When I build my first home theatre system, I moved the ADCOM 585LE to the Home Theatre and bought a matching 3 channel amp. In the mean time, I decided to go to two McIntosh MC275 tube amps for my Stereo, etc.... So, separates can give you a lot of flexibility - especially with amps, which you can keep for decades.