UPDATE: 8 Tourmaline "golden strings" with an herkimer diamond at the end of the strings all connected by cable to the "Bell of Bells"
Gosh! I have no idea why this last addition of connectors is so good....Is it the H.D. ? the connection to the bells of bells? Or because these strings are between the speakers and slightly in front of them 2 feet over my head at my desk?
No idea..... :) I know what i am doing but the results are sometimes unexpected with these grids....
I amaze myself....The connection of these strings to the bell at the center of the room itself connected to my Shumann generators grid is powerful...
Gives more meat to the sound, more full bodied after all the clealiness added by the springs and the Golden plates, and it increase imaging a notch....... For the last 15 days i live trough the greatest improve in S.Q. i ever lived trough.... It is like my system which i tought it was good 1 month ago, was in reality not so good....
Twin fans grid with resonators, golden strings grids on my ceiling, more connections to the Schumann generators and last but not least, 3 golden plates on the external electrical meter of my house, the springs improvement on top of my "sandwiches" under my speakers all that is amazing...All that in the same 15 days is an increase in the 3 embeddings at the same times, mechanical, electrical and acoustical....
Embeddings are all Audio, the rest is consumerism and ignorance indeed....
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note: all my increase in S.Q. are always true in near listening and regular listening..... |
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Amother UPDATE:
I add 6 new "golden strings" 2 feet long with lava beads over my head and between speakers, for an amazing total of 65 golden strings...
The goal was to structure a dispersive sound grid, active, because of the cabled resonators and balance, by a key positioning, all aspects of sound.... It seems my pattern on the ceiling works....
It must be adapted for any specific room for sure...
Now i am near the end .... anaway i own no more lava beads , tourmaline and cone bells.... Only plenty of herkimer diamonds unused....
The passive acoustic treatment with materials cannot give what a more active one will do ever, in a small room the sound can be magnificent indeed, if we takes acoustic seriously with our own ears/hands....
For the first time in my life i enjoy music no more trying to forget the limitation of the sound quality.... And all my files are good now.... I dont select music because the files are better....Some are better but this time ALL sound good and very different from one another...
I wish the same for you all....
Important note:
I eliminate 80 % of my metal singing reflective resonators, they are replaced now by dispersive devices and resaonators.... When i put them in place it was an improvement in this small room... But after all the trasformation they were in too much great number and produce more harm than good...
Acoustic is the art to BALANCE, in a specific room and with his content, reflective and absorbent surfaces with dispersive one.... Active mini resonators plays a role also....
I keep "singing resonators" at key locations, they compensate for absorbant materials at another locations, but the main role was played now by disspersive devices and grids, with active connected mini resonators....Schumann generators cabled grid has an enomous effect to enlive the sound and the reactive resonators
My best to all....
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UPDATE about the new 7 cone bells+ herkimer diamond inside, on 2 strings of copper tape...
I connected them to the "Bell of bells" in the center of my room dangling from the ceiling, all that connected already to the Schuman generators grid around the room, and wow, they give me better higher frequencies and bass....A not so slight improve, very audible.... It takes me 5 minutes and a thin copper phone cable to make it... Cost 1/2 peanut...With my experience now i know what the effect would be.... :)
And some audiophile speak about 10,000 dollars upgrade....And some even speak about the "indicible and unspeakable" quality of high-end.... They dont say that like a testimony about the difficulties linked to a description of perceptions with words, they say that first and foremost to suggest the almost sublime superiority of costly high-end..... Tragical and comical misinformation and stupidity of people only able to upgrade without never listening to what they just bought, unable to embed it, and even not knowing that embeddings controls are necessary for any audio system....It takes me few months to figure it out.... Some never figured it in 40 years... Too much upgrade to manage probably.... Luckily i was poor, if not, i certainly will be in an upgrading process without end, toward "indescriptible" high-end and inaccessible to the poor, true high-end, i read that in a post today.... :)
I cannot resist mocking clowns sometimes.... I apologize....But they merit mockery to encourage others in the same money pit dead end....They cannot face truth for themselves and hide it to others.... Consumerism +blinders....
They will kill themselves listening to my under 500 dollars system connected with 10 dollars Schuman generators and copper tape and crystals....
My Moravec Chopin Nocturnes was out of this world..... Complete extasy.... I know this cd for 15 years.... I listen to it the first time really this evening....
This cd is a marvel.... And a test for any system....
Ok this time i am done, my imagination envision nothing more, no new creations........
Dead thread..... :)
My best to everyone....
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It takes me i dont know precisely around 80 lbs including speakers at least perhaps 85 on each 4 footers with 7 springs you are right not 6.... Try adding some concrete on top and listen... If the upper frequencies are harsh it is not enough.... When mids and bass are dominant it is there...with the precise weigh of the concrete you will deduce the weigh compression and after that keepinng the number of springs needed.... I go more swiftly with my ears.... :)
My wife in fact approved my diffusor devices dangling from the ceiling with 59 cabled "golden strings" and the "Bell of bells"... She said this is amazing and fascinating, my grand children also.... :)
my best to you derek |
Hi Mahgister. Regarding the spring footers. Do you have any idea as to the amount of weight that one footer at full capacity (7 springs) will handle at 30% compression? I realize I can adjust down in number of springs. Thanks for the link.
Looking forward to your photos of non-approved WAF golden strings and ceiling :,-)
Keep creating. 👍 |
The end of this thread is probably near....
I reach the limit of my actual audio system.... And it is a good one...
I will not upgrade any part because of the heavy price to pay to extend the S.Q. It will be silly except for a man richer than i am...
My speakers Mission Cyrus 781 can be upgraded, even if they are very good, especially in the bass extension.... I listen to 7 inches driver with my stomach sometimes.... The active controls of the acoustic help...Replacing it by a Top Tannoy.... :)
My Sansui AU 7700 amplifier is a marvel i know now, but A Berning TUBE ZOTL will beat it easily at 6000 dollars price and i would perhaps use it at pre-amplification for one of my 2 Sansui....
Then without changing my dac, i am already near 10,000 to upgrade... :)
My dac is too cheap cost and too good to be upgraded tough.....I have no idea if some hyped dac of this year will crush it really and at what price and which dac? :)
Replacing speakers is easy, amplifier too for me, but a dac not so easy.....How do you know if a dac is good without trying it? For dac, reviews means less than in speakers and amplifier case....
But now i am too much happy with the music i have in a marvellous natural way, on all counts, to be sorrowful because i will never be able to upgrade...
I know my audio system is limited but i dont feel it anymore at all now, like 2 years ago.... Thanks to embeddings controls....
I hope some will be inspired by my journey.....
My best..... |
In a word:
--Passive acoustic treatment is the art to create a balance between absorbant, reflective, and diffusive surface with inert materials...
There is no rule in the absolute, except for specifically designed acoustic room ; but with small ordinary living room, we must use the ears, because of the different acoustical properties of the material content in the room, and because of the great difference in geometry and topology room to room...And contrary to what many said, it is not only a bass trap problems and calculating the right nodes....This is too simplistic and good for those who want to sell you their materials :)
-- Active acoustic controls use more diffusion process and passive and active resonators, and Schumann generators grid, active acoustic use devices not only inert materials...
«No, sound is not only a plant, it is an animal» -Groucho Marx |
UPDATE: 49 "golden Strings" + 7 cone bells resonators +H.D. each on 2 strings...= total 51 strings dangling from the ceiling.... WAF approved tough..... :)
The diffusion of sound is worked by the golden strings and the "Twin Fans", with the resonators linked throught the "Bell of BELLS" to the S.G. grid, all this worked marvellously...
I add 2 strings with 7 bell cones with an herkimer diamond in each on a 14 inches copper tape.... This is not only a diffusor device like some golden strings but an active resonator....Incredible effect on the soundstage....
The sound inhabit the room...The effect is also powerful for near listening....
I added also to the 50 "golden strings" 9 new one (2 feet) i created with tourmaline necklace...
I will not repeat adjectives about the increase in S. Q.
The springs under my speakers and the new " golden plates" add a new level of clarity, but these new diffusors devices, the golden strings and the resonators, act primarily on imaging and soundstage and also on the timbre perception by increasing the bass and higher frequencies diffusion...
Audio is a surprizing hobby and rewarding...NOT necessarily costly, except if you fall for the hype....
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In my scale of S.Q. improvement increased by the way we control the embeddings,
The mechanical/vibrations/resonance embeddings is 25 % of final S.Q.
The noise floor of the house electrical grid embeddings is 35 % of the final S.Q.
The acoustical embeddings ,especially in small room, and even in nearfield listening contrary to a popular myth in audio threads, is the more impactful with 40 % of the final S.Q.
But an IMPORTANT remark :
No embeddings controls can gives all that there is to gives by itself and cannot replace the others embeddings controls at all....
If you want 100% of the possible S.Q. from your audio system you need to control ALL THREE EMBEDDINGS...
There is NO shortcut with one tweak or 2 tweak....It is better to create your own and adjust them to your own situation than buying generically created branded costly design...The price would be too high for me anyway and the results would not be better....if i had put my faith in commercial tweaks i would never have understood the concept and objects of the embeddings... And the problems would have been only partially posed...
--The mechanical embedding is relatively simple to take care of....There is many solutions, for now the "sandwiches" and the springs are my way....
--The electrical embedding is more difficult, i succeed with stones and crystals and especially with my "golden plates" which i am very proud of...
You can put a golden plate for example on your house’s main router, you cannot treat the router in particular or the external electrical meter of the house or a second electrical panel in a room, with an electronic solution devised to filters the line and very costly and NOISY because of their electronic parts....Without electronic components the "golden plates" dont introduce noise of their own coming from their parts....
--The acoustical embeddings is the more complex to take care of by far....Passive materials and active methods are mandatory here....I am very proud of my grid of different resonators all linked together to a grid of Schumann generators, and of my "golden fingers" particularly...."golden fingers" and my "twin fans" are sound diffusor device that are also partly connected resonators....Very powerful for peanuts costs...
In the passive acoustical treatment embeddings the key is the right balance for a specific room between absorption, reflection, and diffusion devices....For the active acoustical embeddings the active use of resonance and diffusion is key....
A method of listening experiments is NOT a tweak or a bunch of tweaks...Except for people unable to understand even simple problem.... Sorry....
i advise about a method not a product and the price is zero dollars for those who know how to read....
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By the way it is fun to play with experiments.... I just have a new idea for my acoustical embeddings few minutes ago then the sequel for the next days....
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I immediately use the springs box with the 6 springs but modifying the load on the speakers, to adjust them.... Like i said i keep my "sandwiches" for the 2 reasons i explained...
Immediate improvement in clarity...
But without adjusting the compression around 30% can gives a result with too much inclination toward higher frequencies...It takes me 2 takes to reach the best and the best was the original load that was already on my speakers.... :)
For most people no need of a load on top of speakers at all, keep the adjusting with calculating the right amount of springs in each box, be it 2, 3, 4 or 5 or 6...... It was more easy for me to keep my load to compress my sandwiches and the speakers....And to keep my tweeters anyway at the right height relative to my ears....
The boxes scream quality each spring in his aluminium cell are tightly adjusted...Ridiculous price.....
I did not evaluate the sound without my "sandwiches" because i dont wanted to disconnect my speakers , it would had been complicated, because i had many other things connected here and all is tightly packed near a wall corner ... :)
It takes me time to free the speakers acoustically from their bad location but i succeed.... It is an another story tough...
And under the springs the "sandwiches" cannot do harm on the contrary they separated my desk from the Speakers/springs system....
The spring system is very great buying no doubt....
I even just bought another set for my amplifier few minutes ago...
The price at the adress i gives is unbeattable....
My best to you....
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Thank you for this...
Are you using the skid pads?
Did you compare the sound, with and without?
I understand the "sandwiches" in your system;
did you evaluate the sound without them,
employing ONLY the foot pads, and possibly
varying the number of springs? |
UPGRADE on the Vibrations/resonance embeddings: I have already something not perfect but good... "Sandwiches" quartz feet on my desk, on top of it a granite plate, in between sorbothane, another granite plate, a cork plate, ad on top a bamboo plate.... This was vey good because the varieties of materials act together and complement each other in damping... But it is not perfect, the cost was around 50 dollars for the 2 speakers.... And i was happy... But when you miss something you are not always aware of which is missing... I bought 8 chinese aluminium adjustable box with 6 springs in their cells... I install it on top of my "sandwiches".... Guess what? An improved controls and a better clarity all around the frequencies spectrum....An improvement on my "sandwiches" that was immediately audible.... (careful to adjust the compression with the load ) But caution: I adjust the springs compression, in function to the load to support, with some concrete slabs on top of my speakers (but you can adjust by putting less springs than 6 in each box)...I keep my sandwiches for 2 reasons: the speakers are on my desk and the 21/2 inches of the sandwiches height posit my speakers tweeters at the right height, and keeping more isolation from the desk is not a bad thing at all..... The adjusting of the compression springs is VERY important to reach a good frequencies equilibrium....around 30 % compression for the eyes.... The price is 40 dollars postal fees included, same cost than my homemade "sandwiches"....Under 1 dollars for each spring calibrated in his own cell....(48 springs in the 2 boxes) My rule is low cost and maximal audible effect, this product gives me that: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001302651100.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.7f7f4c4dgrVxHm |
GENERAL UPDATE:
The acoustical space of my room especially with the creation of the "Golden Fingers" has modified completely the balance of the sound...
I eliminated 80% of my singing resonators, keeping only those that complement the absorption and diffusive effects of the Gold Fingers and the Twin Fans with resonators...
In the past my room was slightly too much reflective and now with this new balance the diffusive surfaces being more important, the sound is improved....
i has now 50 Golden fingers most of them 2 feet lava beads strings or tourmaline or 13 inches herkimer diamonds strings or chrysocolla beads....the materials composition if these stones dont play the prime role, their working for diffusion of waves is the prime function....Except for Herkimer diamonds that are powerful resonators then act not only like diffusers but also resonators...
The S.Q, is so improved that i cannot say otherwise:
Acoustic is the portal of higher S.Q. generally and for most....Nearfield listening or regular position, in any small room...
My best.... |
This fact about near listening that many audiophiles communicate all across thread are false...
They say and think that they are safe from the room obstructive influence the more they are near the direct sound of the speakers...
This is totally false...
We listen in a room, near the speakers or not, the influence of the room waves, direct or reflectives, are tremendously powerful on the S.Q in a positive or negative way...
My experience is we must USE the room to climb toward a great musical experience.... Erasing the influence of the room comes from a false opposition between the truth of the recordoing and the demonization of the room...
The brain/ears works with cues from all reflected sound in the room, in a positive and negative way, to recreate the "impression" from the sonic cues coming also from the recording through the room.... It is completely untrue to think that the brain dont need the cues of a room to recreate the live recording....Those who want an anechoic chamber to listen to music will die there in few days.... :)
Echos, reverberations, and other indirect waves are like bacteria in the metabolism, they make the body able to assimiliate and accomodate itself through the agression of direct sound, and make it able to recreate the information encoded, the blind can even navigate with these indirect sounds, they make the body able to metabolize the sound and inform itself about the sound message and origin in an improved way....
The impressions of the live recording event dont comes immaculate from the drivers speakers alone out of no room, they are recreated by the brain from all waves in the room coming from the speakers and the reaction of the room geometry and content to the speakers...
Why not using that fact instead of negating it? |
«Awaken yourself, a new music form, and a new language is not the end of the world» -Groucho Marx |
What is the most noticeable sign of the end of the world?
Ancient chinese seers were attentive to a decline in the Empire musical standing, to this i will add a decline of grammar among native speakers....
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« "These equations are my slaves" says some acoustician god idolizing his model...I own their initial conditions... But consciousness in his room has no white beard, only ears, and dont give a dam about differential equations that are not also algorithmic»-Groucho Marx
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This week is the more amazing and rewarding of all my audio journey...
I cannot imagine more at all....
There is an end to increasing S.Q.
I dont even want to buy my dreamed upgrades now....Too much money anyway....
I go back to Chopin.... |
UPDATE: Three "Golden plates" on the electrical external meter of my house instead of one..
Remember that i add 3 yesterday, but let only one because in spite of the greater clarity (decreasing EMR) i had the impression of a slight compression of my soundstage...
Today i replace them three on the meter, and after all the room modification with the new many " Golden Strings", clarity increase but no loss of soundstage...
In my favorite playing of the Chopin "Nocturnes" by Moravec, the clarity was revealing more the left hands chords were more clean...
This cd is pure recording marvel....and the interpretation is top of the pianistic world....
"Golden plates " second only to the "Golden fingers" in my few homemade miraculous devices...
I say it myself because if i dont say it who will?
Audio cost big time not big money.... :) |
UPDATE : Upgrading to 38 " Golden Strings"
I add today 8 new lava strings of 2 feet lenght each one...
My grid od "golden strings" is located between my head and the speakers in an irregular/regular array...
Ears and intuition works well together indeed...
Only you ears can advise you? who else? No room is the same, every different content has his own acoustic properties, the furniture is different because of his materials composition, form, and location, and the room geometry is different, and the location of the different audio system will be also different... How can you use a gross rule pre-establish by a computer equation that ignores all that and base his calculus only on some pre-selected frequencies nodes ? And many "specialist" goe with the rules, it is more effficient when you have no time and many customers waiting...
Ok my rant is over....
This addition gives me more of the same: more claity, imaging, soundspace and dynamic...
Do you know what the word "flabbergast" means?
I am....
I go back to heaven.... |
mahgister... I took the plunge and purchased some shungite tile,black tourmaline and herkimer diamonds.
Try that with a cooper self adhesive tape on the external side of the application.... And try that on the main router of your house and any lovations all along the electrical grid of the house... But NOT on the main gear, except behind the speakers electronic and connectors... Power supply and surge protectors, power strips etc.... |
Thanks for your report....
My ideas are free and components cost peanuts....
I am very happy that i was useful to you....
My deepest regards... |
mahgister... I took the plunge and purchased some shungite tile,black tourmaline and herkimer diamonds. I arranged them on top of my circuit breaker box as you have suggested... and without a doubt...all combined together... they make for a most impressive lowering of ac line noise and distortion.
Great tweak for the money! Thanks for the post and enjoy the music!!!
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ah...My dear ghost, the first one i think,
welcome friend...
mate cup for you....
And my deepest salutations....
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The ghosts are listening.
Alllwaayyyyssssss listening......
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I am the only thread on audiogon where a nut create something totally new for months and almost nobody show here, comment, and verify my ideas...
They all wait to buy something to upgrade tough....They dont even know their own system....
But i prefer to be alone, the last post by someone dont give taste for crowds... :)
Perhaps i should erase my post, i feel suddenly like someone who wish something and his wishes are realized, but at the expanse of his happyness....
:)
I must admit that i like to speak to myself, alzheimer signs? |
UPDATE : Upgrading to 30 " Golden Strings" 6 black tourmaline strings with 2 feet lenght...
i was so amazed by the last 2 feet strings, i go in my basement, pich the last 2 necklaces and transform these necklace that were glued on my principal electrical line in "strings" of 2 feet... Anyway with 16 " golden plates" my central electrical panel is already under controls...
And guess what?
Adding these 2 beside the other 2, 3 on each side of the 3 rows of 13 inches 24 "golden strings "with H. D. and the one with lava beads, makes the bass more precise and more powerful.... Imaging better....
I think i am done or nuts, but in the 2 cases i am happy...
I read Floyd Toole, one of the foremost authority in acoustic, there is nothing in his science about active non electronic room controls with passive and active interlinked Schumann generator and my grid of "golden strings"...
Acoustic seems to be waves to passively interact with, the guide and foremost law being the equations of their very linear habits.... :)
These laws were most useful for the creation of very large musical Hall after the Greek theater inspiration...Small room are other best completely to be tamed....
But waves are very intelligent indeed, non linear in their working, and can be made more "wise", what i called an "informed wave" by active feed back with device like a grid of S.G. and grid of resonators and grid of "strings"...
The brain need fixed grid points in the flowing waves to catch the flow and recreate the recording acoustic and differentiate it from the room acoustic at the same time...The brain wait for cues....The "golden strings" gives them these cues in an array of tags informing the conflicting direct and indirect waves how to walk together in rythm (time synchronisation) so to speak.......Fourier analysis easier then for the computing brain...
I dont know if i am nuts but my audio system is the best i ever had, no comparison, and the best i ever listen to....Not bad for a 500 dollars used equipment well choosen tough....
All my 6 headphones sound like trash and i dont listen to them for music...
:)
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UPDATE : Upgrading to 28 " Golden Strings" 4 with 2 feet lenght
It seems my thread about embeddings is not closing yet... :)
I sleep very well but not much...
I decide to add to the 13 inches grid of 26 Golden strings, 2 more longer strings... I use 2 tourmaline strings already in place but they were in fact necklace, i open them and gain 2 feet strings instead of a double 13 inches.... I remember that i had bought 2 other necklaces of tourmaline.... I open them and now i glued to the ceiling beside the golden strings grid of 13 inches the 4 longer strings of tourmaline...
The upgrade to 28 golden strings now was really something....(22 of 13 inches lenght and 4 of 2 feet lenght)
More bass, more encompassing dynamical sounds....In my 2 positions nearfield and regular...
There is no more relation between this audio system when i bought it and put it in a non controlled acoustic room and in a almost non controlled electrcial grid and the situation now...
I will add photos soon....
My best...
I hope i will not have other ideas for a week or more.... I want to only listen my music now....
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UPDATE : Upgrading to 26 " Golden Strings" :)
I add 6 chrysocolla and 2 big tourmaline strings....
For the reader i am not sure that it is the stones composition that plays the greatest role, except for Herkimer diamond which are powerful resonators...But these 26 strings is MY GREATEST CREATION.....
The cost is ridiculous compared to the audible effect...
Restoration of a powerful dynamic and huge encompassing powerfully dynamic soundstage at my 2 positions of listening...
5 hours ago i just said to my wife that my improvement were near the end....She never believe me for these matters... She is always right... :)
The reality is simply that the last change and increase with these 8 new strings exceed all anteriors changes in power...If i think about that perhaps it is the chrysocolla and tourmaline that explain that because lava beads are the less useful stones for sound like ruby and not great resonators ...After gluing my first strings with Herkimer diamonds which was very powerful change, the addition of lava beads strings help and increase thing but in a lesser way than with the chrysocolla and tourmaline and these stones are very powerful in sound audio, that was already known by me....Then perhaps their internal structure and their resonant capacity plays a role like for H.D.
Now it is probably the END of this thread....
I dont know how to increase these results and i dont give a dam now.... I only want to listen music.....
My best.....
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«Honey attract not only bears but flies»- Anonymus |
i cleaned out the wax build up in my ears
holy moly uga shakka |
Update after listenings....
It is insane that adding some strings to the ceilings made so much difference...
And i dont understand why one "golden Plate" on the external electrical meter do the job but 3 compress too much the sound, because i add 9 golden plates to the 7 already on the electrical central panel and the results were good without compression....
If someone know :) i wait for explanation.....
Nevermind i feel like all music is new again.... I know i repeat myself, but the last 2 years, and particularly the last years was so filled with improvements and listenings experience and discovery....
I began to feel that the acoustic science is very interesting , but i feel sound phenomena are more complex that what is teach everywhere in audio thread...
« Sound has a body and then two ears too....»-Groucho Marx |
UPDATE : Upgrading to 18 " Golden Strings" :)
I add an entire new row of 8 lava beads strings directly over my head at 2 feet from the first original row...
That was a very good idea.... The imaging is improved and now for the first time i listen to my brass ensemble for the first time, really, even if i had listen to it for the last 7 years....
How to hear the notes and the encompassing, interprenetrating radiant and agleam halos of the different brass instrument including tubas, trumpets and trombones, without loosing nor the notes neither the interprenetrating halos in a room where one of the speakers is almost on the wall and in a corner?
My soundstage is of the dimension of the room and equal out of each speakers, despite their dissymetric positioning.... :)
The speakers/ room equation, and the electrical embedding are keys....My music is no more handicapped by speakers location....
ACTIVE room controls is the way to speakers audio.... Passive treatment, except for an entirely engineered perfect room, will not do enough for compensating the room topology and the speakers locations....
I never even read information about active controls in audio thread, except active controls with electronic components...My active controls are resonators of different kind linked together with no electronic components except the Schumann generators grid...
My best....
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GENERAL UPDATE:
Difficult to sleep...The audio system is stupendous now...
I add a few lava strings, 3 more , lava beads strings+golden strings= 10 nowdangling from the ceiling...(affecting the imaging mainly and the soundstage)
I add many "Golden Plates", one on the router(a fourth one there) one on the electrical meter outside of the house, and a few more on the electrical central panels where i already had 7 of them...
results :
Imaging improved another notch and clarity all across the frequencies...
I listened to Empire Brass, a brass ensemble that plays Gabrieli, a files i know by heart and very difficult to put on his best sounding level.... The differences were stunning...
My conclusion is always the same motto:
Dont uppgrade ANYTHING before embedding EVERYTHING....
Seriously i think i am at the end of the road with these electronic components(speakers,dac and amplifier) But i am careful because i was thinking that same thing about these components few months ago....And they improve with the increasing controls of the embeddings...
Another conclusion where i will repeat myself:
Most of us dont know what the system we own is able to give at all in S.Q. ... This is why upgrading one element is most of the time premature, and if not premature, a folly, if we dont know how much the other components can deliver in S.Q. It is necessary to know the other components capability before changing one....
My best to all.... |
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Sounds like a Buddhist temple in the Himalayas. |
Thanks derek, i will post a photo in few days of my grid of strings and of the new connected Bell of bells...
The three embeddings are key to audio experience, nevermind the price of an audio system....
In the three embeddings , on par with the "golden plates" powerful cleaning effect, the active resonant controls of the room acoustic is Heaven’s gates for peanuts....
Ears are the road to audio not money at all.... |
This active control has blossomed into quite a project. Please post some photo when you have time so the community can more easily see the results of your ingenuity and experiments. Thanks for sharing this latest development, Mahgister! |
I read on a thread a post about someone with a 100,000 dollars system and a room problem....
I doubt he will take my solutions costing peanuts, not esthetical for the WAF, seriously ?
Asking the question is the answer....
People want to believe that they own the best there is, money can say something about that, but their own ears are not a totally credible witness....
For me it was the contrary.....
Lucky i was to be "poor"....
:)
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UPDATE : Upgrading the " Seven Golden Strings"
I add 3 strings of lava beads because i was lacking of strings of tourmaline to the 4 "golden strings". That work fine but i will replace it someday with strings of tourmaline... These black lava bead strings will not be connected because lava bead can be destructive of the sound if too much near the gear...I use it to isolate normally from EMR on the electrical grid...They have an effect similar to brute quartz but worst , like a too strong cleaner.... :)
But on the ceiling with the other strings they serve as resonant fixed points beacons grid to create an "informed wave" and create a better synchronisation between the waves for the Brain Fourier analysis computer...
I add 2 agate on the coipper string of 2 "golden strings" to give more mid-bass body and that worked immediately....around 140 Herkimer diamonds on 4 strings connected to the S,G. grid create an emphasis slightly on the expansive higher frequencies.... Then the addition of 2 banded agate give an equilibrium that was perfect... I add a few gram chunk of shungite on the Bell of Bells for the same reason.... That was a success.... I know what i do with stones after all these years... Each one is a unique resonator or filter or the 2....
Even my wife that says all day that i am nut admit that the sound is extraordinary and she does not listen to music et dont give a dam about that..... :) |
UPDATE : Upgrading the " The Golden Strings"
I decide to add 2 other golden strings with slightly bigger Herkimer diamonds (24 on each strip of 13 inches), i glued them to the cieiling between the other 2 and i connect them all with one another .... Now all is connected by the Bell of Bells to the Schumann generators grid of ten...
Guess what?
Yes increase in the higher frequencies extension and bigger soundstage.... Now i think there is no more improvement possible with these for the time being... :) ( my wife smile with scepticism at my denegation)
My 4 "Golden Strings" are really what moves my other acoustical controls device on another level....
I dont know what to say...
NO my friends, HI-FI experience dont cost money, only creativity.....And simple works, but very attentive listenings....
Dont listen to reviewers and dont trust them, you only need good but not necessarily costly gear, only good one.... The rest is more important than electronic design: taking care of their embeddings, especially the acoustical one.... And most of the times passive materials treatment of a room will not be enough to free the sound.... ACTIVE CONTROL is the way....
Thanks to all.... |
In my estimation, the untreated pyramids attracted EMR for adsorption affecting the adjacent cable for up to a meter. Assuming the copper rejects or reflects the EMR, the only shungite surface in play is the one sandwiched on top of the cable or Shumann generator, or connection. Ok this explanation is only half of the story.... The "golden plates" act also like a passive filtering device and not only like a passive shield, all along their location in the grid... Experiment: Take an agate, a black tourmaline, or a big herkimer diamond or a chunk of ordinary quartz....Put one of them glued to this golden pyramid on the connector... You will observe a kind of filtration by the structure of the minerals working on some different frequencies linked to the stone chosen... .... An agate will give a more expressive mid frequencies and some bass, a quartz will give more in the high frequencies, an herkimer diamond will do like the quartz but better.... The black tourmaline will act in a little higher level of frequencies than the agate and may improve on it.... You can try Kambaba jasper, that will work on the imaging....i will not gives all possible experiments.... I have try many.... My point is: these shungite+copper or "golden plate" does not only shield but filter in some way the line, decreasing the noise floor level by some kind of filtration with an effect that change if we change the stone.... then : shungite+copper+ herkimer diamond or tourmaline or agate etc = some shielding and some filtration.... I am sure now to be treated like a nut against an another nut..... :) |
I enjoy the story thanks.... :) |
Magister: I always speak ironically about placebos. Making fun of the concept is my most effective tactic.
When I was about 20+ yrs old, I was talking with my father while standing by our dining table—which was all decked out for the holidays with candles & ribbons & decorations & munchies, including a big bowl of mixed nuts in-the-shell. I had a walnut in my hand and was making a dog’s breakfast out of getting inside the shell. My dad grabs two walnuts in both hands, squeeze once, both nuts lay open like brains. I was so pissed. He had let me grow to manhood without showing me a trick that I could have wowed all the neighborhood kids with.
Squeeze them together against one another. Simple. Just like politics. |
You CAN crack a nut with another nut. Place two walnuts in one hand and squeeze. You will be amazed! I am not a gorilla.... :) I am human and i create the needed technology...For nuts a little rock or hammer no need for a gorilla hand ever .... «Without the gorilla's hands, you cannot crack a nut with another nut»- Groucho Marx
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Thanks for almost my first positive review of my "golden plate"...It is free idea and low cost then most people dont believe it....
They are able to treat all the electrical grid of the house without introducing any noise of their own...You must put many of them at the right spot... ( no electronic active components inside then no noise)
You understand very well what they do....
Imagine now my other embeddings device controls ?
Dont call that a "tweak", i never create them like a secondary fad object, i create them to treat the 3 embeddings when i discover the fact that no "GENERIC" electronic design can give his best without being "SPECIFICALLY" embed, mechanically, electrically and acoustically...
My most important discovery is not the "Golden Plates" it is the ACTIVE device acoustic controls...Nobody it seems use that except some accidental "tweaks" seller (hallographs for example but this device is not really active but it is more than a passive bass traps or other materials).
Myself i dont buy tweaks i try to understand with my ears and after that i create a device to embed at best the electronical device, speakers or audio system....I retroengineered the hallograph at peanuts costs and made it better. making this passive device an active one...( my Twin Fans room enhancer)
Hi-Fi cost peanuts if we know how to do it right....
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Dont call placebos an embeddings controls device.... Any human experience is linked to placebos effects they are constitutive of perception, but for the regular ignorant folk, placebos are synonymus with illusory or hallucinatory.... |
You CAN crack a nut with another nut. Place two walnuts in one hand and squeeze. You will be amazed!
Excellent discussion.
Magister: I have installed my first two golden pyramids directly on my very flat Nordost speaker cables. They fit almost exactly.
Initially, I placed the shungite pyramids there without the copper cladding. The result was NOT good! Suppressed highs and meds, flabby mid bass. Muddy image. Ugh. After adding the copper tape (easy after you do the first one) the sound changed dramatically. Mid/Hi resolution returned, transients enhanced, bass tighter than before and vocals clearer than previously.
Bear in mind that this is an ongoing experiment and these reactions are very early.
In my estimation, the untreated pyramids attracted EMR for adsorption affecting the adjacent cable for up to a meter. Assuming the copper rejects or reflects the EMR, the only shungite surface in play is the one sandwiched on top of the cable or Shumann generator, or connection.
This is one of the nicest placebos I’ve taken in a long time!
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I realize searching the internet that NOBODY seems to know about ACTIVE room controls...
All acousticians speak about numbers acoustic wave equations and how to treat a room with passive materials... They like their model too much to change it .... :)
Anybody reading my posts will think that i am nut....
:)
Ok i am....
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« You cannot crack a nut with another nut»- Groucho Marx |
UPDATE : Upgrading the " The Golden Strings"
Guess what?
I now connected the 2 " Golden Strings" with the thin phone cable to the "Bell of bells" and then to the Schumann resonators grids and to the "Twin Fans" by the same token... All is connected...
The increase in the extension of the high frequencies was audible on the spot...
No negative impact at all.....
The ACTIVE acoustical controls of the room is the SECRET of Audio.... Save perhaps in a totally acoustically designed room and i am not even sure that this will be better, except perhaps by the best acoustical engineer in America... :)
Active acoustical controls create an autonomous space in the room, out of the walls absorbtion or reflective obstructions of the furniture or other conendrums , the results cannot be improved except perhaps if PERFECTLY treated by a competent acoustician...I am not one, i am only creative....
Active acoustical controls is my greatest discovery, and i called the new sound: "informed waves" because the balance between the direct and reflective waves seems to be in synchronisation, thanks also to the powerful resonance passive feed back controls by the Herkimer Diamonds grids....
The same components i did not like so much 2 years ago, i am in love with now and listen to in extasy...My Mission Cyrus 781 speakers, my Starting point systems NOS dac, and my Sansui AU 7700....Changing any of them seems to me useless.... For sure i can buy something better but at a cost that will be ridiculously high compared to this system cost.... And the music is delivered holographically, inhabit my room like the speakers did not exist...
My motto is the truth in AUDIO:
Dont upgrade anything before rightfully embedding everything......
I dont know what i can say more than that , then i will go back to heaven....
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UPDATE :
" The Golden Strings"
After one hour of listening this time at nearfield i have the same powerful transformation...
Incredible.... Two 13 inches copper ribbons with forty stones each....
I cannot stop listening my very well known files....
I now can affirm with total certitude that the most powerful controls embeddings is the acoustical one passive+active...
The 2 others together cannot give the same amount of spectacular audible effects on soundstage, imaging, dynamic.... The 2 other embeddings work greatly for tonal timbre accuracy and in a lesser way for the soundstage, and imaging and dynamic... But the acoustical controls affect also the timbre accuracy for sure but much more the 3 other characteristics....
It is normal if we think about it, because mechanical embedding controls and electrical one affect the integrity of the signals but the topology of the room play with the aspect of the signals coming from the speakers that will be affected most by a bad synchronisation between direct waves and indirect one, and a bad translation of one into another.... The good translation make possible by active controls i call that a better "informed wave" which is easily and better decoded by the brain's Fourier analysis computer....
I go back to heaven listening for the night ...
My best to you friendly ghosts.... :) |
