Magnepan's new LRS?


A brief blurb in Stereophile online (by Herb Reichert reporting from AXPONA 2019) gave accolades to Magnepan's new LRS. The local authorized dealer is not carrying it for unclear reasons (at least, the decision to not offer that model wasn't explained to me when I asked directly about it). Have any Forum readers had an opportunity to audition these and, if so, what's your opinion?
Thanks,Keith
kacomess
marcs: I can't answer the amplifier question but I'm wondering if you were given an estimated delivery date (range) by Magnepan when you placed the order?
Also...I am currently using older Martin Logan Aerius speakers. How do you think the LRS's will compare?
I ordered a pair on a whim. I like the sound of Maggies when I've heard them. I am looking forward to hearing them in my space. McIntosh MC452 driving them.
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Here is an update for those of you who have placed LRS orders and are awaiting delivery. Eric of Magnepan told me today, the company has (unsurprisingly) been inundated with orders. Mine - placed on April 18 - will probably ship in a couple of weeks.

In short, it seems that there's about 6-8 weeks from mid-April orders to shipping. I suppose that's likely to decrease, now that the company has an insight into demand and can manufacture accordingly.
Keith
I made a decision to suspend any spending this year in lieu of my daughter graduating from a few of her therapies to save and buy a place when housing prices correct. 
I keep eyeballing those Cantons for $1200 but now I think I may get a set of LRS.

In my mind I have a sound I’m trying to hit and it occurred to me that this might be that sound. In the 80’s we used to frequent Circuit City and in one of their speaker rooms they had, I think ML’s playing Billy Idol’s Sweet Sixteen. The vividness and immediacy and clarity as well as the BASS. I think they were ML’s as I seem to recall them having a boxed woofer at their base. They used to put them behind plastic plants and put big floor standers in your line of sight to fool you.

At $650 I may splurge. I have a generic sub and may then spring for 1 or 2 more later in the year (looking at Rythmik F12, SVS SB1000 or maybe REL in the $500-600 range).
I've had the LRS for a few months now. As is well known, these speakers require very careful positioning and so obtaining the best possible sound they can provide may prove to be impossible in some rooms (regardless of "treatments"). That statement of the obvious aside, my extended listening impressions are:
1) Stereo imaging is exceptionally good,
2) Midrange and treble reproduction are first rate (based on hearing recordings I'm quite familiar with on other equipment in other settings and in "real life", too),
3) Bass response (in my room, sans any sort of "treatments") is limited. I'm sure that without the constraints imposed by the dimensions of my own space, bass would be better...because other listeners say so,
4) Addition of dedicated stands will likely be a big help and they most certainly will be more stable/secure than those the factory provided. Magnepan's stand for the LRS leave the speakers very precariously balanced, at least on an industrial carpeted floor. I've ordered Magna Risers (for several reasons not germane to this topic) and I'm awaiting delivery.
5) With my system in my room, I'm very pleased with the LRS though sub-woofers would present a better musical picture. However, a reasonable pair would more than double the price of the original speaker. Still, the combination is economically competitive with other contenders.
Many use a REL Acoustics S-510 sub with their LRS's and say it's a perfect match ! 
 
The REL Acoustics Line Array Series S stacked 510 subwoofers could be the game-changer we have been waiting for the.. LRS's !   
 
REAL "GAME-CHANGER"...
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4KPfVu3toU
I tried to read and understand the Audio Science Review analysis and the technical details of the original posting and most of the subsequent 28 pages were entirely opaque to me, but I've no background in engineering or acoustics. Allowing for that, the consensus there was that the LRS is seriously flawed. That conclusion (based apparently on the measurements) contradicts all other reviews I've read.
Anyway, I do agree that the LRS are seriously bass deficient, at least as far as I've been able to determine in my listening room. I think this problem has been aggravated by placing them on off-the-floor stands (as some of the comments on that forum suggest will be the case) and maybe tomorrow I'll remove the stands and re-install the manufacturer supplied ones and re-assess.

As for "virtually unlistenable", I don't agree with that conclusion. Allowing for the bass issue (without sub-woofers), I'm generally content with the LRS.
I'm interested in reading Audiogon comments from technically sophisticated reviewers on that Audio Science thread.

Keith
@kacomess

you own the speaker, enjoy it

as for ASR it is imo a poster child for seemingly intelligent and educated people missing the whole point

let me ask you this, does reading that report on the speaker make it sound worse now? :)

Keith, planars are notorious for being difficult to measure (that's why Magnepan doesn't send Stereophile products to review). Those who measure them the same way they do drivers-in-a-box loudspeakers, and then listen to confirm their measurements, are bound to find fault.

The best things an LRS owner can do to maximize their sound is: 1- get them 5' in front of the wall behind them if possible, 3' minimum. 2- feed them as much power as is reasonably possible (200w/ch is good). 3- augment them with a sub or four. The Rythmik and GR Research subs are finding favour with Maggie owners: the OB/Dipole if you're a fanatic, the F12, F12G, or F15 if you're not.

kacomess

I'm interested in reading Audiogon comments from technically sophisticated reviewers on that Audio Science thread.
That might be difficult. I get the sense that not many people here take ASR seriously. (And I'm trying to be kind about it.)
I’d have to say that having spent a few hours with the 1.7is at a dealer’s store... and 20 minutes with the .7s at the Florida Audio Show... there are some things they do that are really really good. In both cases, the bass down to maybe 50/60 hz was good... mid bass and midrange almost a hologram. 

 I didn’t particularly care for the very small listening window... but that is just my preference. 

It is unfortunate that ASR doesn’t take the approach of concluding with something like...”our measurements don’t correspond with what people are hearing so as a next step we will try to figure out what we are missing... what measurements we might be missing”.
jjss49: No, the review in ASR didn't alter my opinion. As I wrote, the technical analysis was beyond comprehension so I read the OP's conclusion and scanned the remaining 28 pages of posts for enlightenment...that insight never arrived. The purpose of my post here was to get Audiogon readers' perspectives on the ASR dissenting review. The one point I did take away from the entire thread was that putting the LRS back on the floor might help improve bass.

Eric: I've been moving them around a bit every week. I'm pretty satisfied with the imaging, but the bass is anemic (at best). Fortunately for me, I mostly listen to music that doesn't feature a prominent bass line but I've been routinely reading the Audiogon classified ads for used sub-woofers for sale locally.
snapsc: Until someone posted here, I'd not heard of ASR but that forum does seem to rely very heavily on measurements vs. listening.
thanks for the replies!Keith