Lyngdorf TDAI-3400


Well, after reading all the rave reviews of the Lyngdorf TDAI-2170 both here and other places, I decided to order a TDAI-3400 for myself.  I must admit I am still skeptical that such a diminutive piece of equipment can sound better than the Primaluna Dialogue Premium HP tube amp weighing more than 50 lbs, but I have been so intrigued by everything I have read I simply had to pull the trigger. 
I just unboxed it today, hooked everything up, and am listening to it for a while before setting up Room Perfect. 
I really want to hear the what the amp sounds like as-is for a bit to understand it better. 
First impressions:  Without Room Perfect it sounds like very nice solid state amps I've owned in the past, but to be honest, I don't find the sound to be particularly moving.  I moved to tubes after years of solid state, and I swore I would never go back.  That is where I'm coming from.  I should also add that I always try to keep an open mind.  While my initial take on it might sound like I don't like it, I hope folks just read this as me being as honest as possible about what I hear.  I know the tendency when buying new gear is to want so badly to love it in order to justify the expense that it's easy to fool oneself into believing it's an improvement over what you had before, even when it's not.  Of course I really want it to be as mind blowing as it has been built up in my mind to be, but if it's not I am OK with simply moving back to what I have liked so far.   
I have only been playing records through it so far.  Analog makes up 98% of my listening so that's where I am starting with it.  I have a nice CD transport that I will connect to it in the next day or so just to hear the DAC in the unit.  I will also experiment with playing files from USB sticks, computer audio from my MacBook Pro, and whatever else I decide.  I am not prepared to purchase a music server just yet, but it's something I have thought about for a while.  
My system:  speakers are Harbeth Monitor 40.1's.  Turntable is an SME 20/2 with SME IV.iv tonearm and Kiseki Purple Heart cartridge, fed to a Parasound JC-3+ phono preamp.  Power conditioner is Audioqest Niagara 7000.  CD transport is a Wadia 8.  
I will report back as I have more time to experiment and let the amp break in.  

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Showing 1 response by svampebob

Here’s a late opinion about how to make tdai-3400 sound its best.

I’ve had the tdai-3400 for half a year, and found it to be great. Without roomperfect it is so-so, but with it sounds wonderful. Thats not surprising and has been written several times.

I’ve primarily used it with a 400gb usb stick at the back (but also with direct ethernet streaming), both because it was cheap and because I thought the sound could not get better than this (no noise from upstream units etc.). But I was wrong.

To satisfy my curiosity whether there was something to gain I bought the Schiit Eitr USB-to-spdif converter. I believe it both galvanically isolates, buffers and reclocks the usb signal. I then play usb out from an odroid xu4 (with kodi currently) -> Eitr -> Lyngdorf coax in. After letting it play for a couple of days there is no doubt, the sound is in a higher class; everything is tightened up, clearer and smoother, better precision and more 3d, I can now sometimes hear sounds coming from strange places behind me which I could not before. The difference is quite obvious.

And the kicker is that the Eitr is only 100$ on sale from Schiit. I spent a lot of time googling before I bought it, and there are several competitors including a singxer and a mutec, but the Schiit seemed on level with the best and at the lowest price. The general opinion seems to me to be that streamers up to around the auralic g1 will benefit from the Eitr, meaning sms200, microrendu, the small Innous will benefit, and sms200 ultra, ultrarendu etc. likely also. But it is of course subjective and not every opinion read can be trusted.

I’ve read some debate whether the stuff upstream from the Eitr matters at all - Schiit says no, but some say they hear a difference with both source and usb cable. My odroid xu4 is not especially audiophile or anything, its maybe similar to the raspberry 4. I’ve bought a special usb cable so I can inject very clean 5v usb power to the eitr (it uses a little bit of power from the source, 100mA I think), but I can’t yet say it there is any benefit to it yet (don’t yet have a good 5v power supply) - but a few say it benefits. I am curious to test it with a better source, the Allo USbridge signature would be a cheapish option.

I don’t doubt those who say that an excellent dac (I believe I’ve read > 2000$) into the upgraded analog inputs on the tdai may be the very best, but the price is also in another league.

So, if anyone is using usb in to the tdai-3400/2170, or streaming directly to it, i’d say try the Eitr with any usb source, you may be surprised.

Note: the Eitr will be discontinued, thats why it is only 100$ now. Schiit supposedly have invented something thats a bit better, but they say they won’t put it in a separate unit like the Eitr, only build it into their own dacs. I have no relation to Schiit what so ever, and I don’t have any other Schiit gear, but I find the Eitr to be crazy value for the money.