Long headshell required


Greetings from Oz!

I have a turntable and arm combination where I need to use a longer headshell to fully optimize the alignment.  Most headshells are effectively 50mm as you are aware.  I would like 60mm or even a little more length.

Appreciate your suggestions

koala

Are you talking about a common universal headshell? If so, your request suggests something else is off in your alignment, such as the P2S distance. It might help to know the pickup arm that you are using.

Because of the base of the tonearm, EPA100, being so large it is difficult to move it closer to the platter and hence the P2S distance is short.   Having a longer headshell will rectify this, rather than dig into the plinth.

Appreciate your suggestions

I don't think you can offset a P2S distance that is too short by increasing overhang, @koala.

If the arm base is "so large" making it difficult to locate closer to platter, then the P2S distance will be longer not shorter.

You are right, @solypsa. Good catch! But my point is the same - increasing overhang won't offset a misaligned P2S distance.

Thanks for all of your suggestions.  Since I'm not prepared to cut out the plinth, it's the best way to improve the P2S distance.  It wont be perfect but it will be close. 

Does anyone know of a long SME headshell?

Changing the overhang will not in any way affect P2S distance. I don't think the headshell you seek exists.

You wrote, "...I need to use a longer headshell to fully optimize the alignment."  What alignment are you seeking to achieve?  Very often, if the tonearm headshell offset was chosen to adhere to one algorithm and then the user tries to align to a different algorithm, the cartridge cannot be pulled far enough forward in the headshell.  Is that what is happening?  One would need to know what tonearm you are using and what alignment you seek to achieve.

While others suggest you cannot compensate for inaccurate P2S by altering overhang, in fact I think you can, but the relationship is not simple arithmetic.  For example, if you have a tonearm with 250mm effective length, where effective length = P2S + stylus overhang, and P2S is 235mm, overhang = 15mm, and if you mount it so P2S is slightly incorrect, the new overhang is not simply the number of mm required to achieve a total 250mm effective length. And it depends upon what algorithm you are using.

@koala can you achieve any alignment type with standard head shell, even if cart must be twisted a bit from parallel with head shell? Could be that would work ok despite not being ideal. 

Thanks again for all of your input and suggestions. 

To explain the scenario - EPA100 tonearm has a large/wide mounting base and it's going onto a plinth where the arm board position doesn't allow it to get close enough to the centre (unless I cut into the plinth).  It is close to the right point and sounds good but is not optimal.  My measurements show that an extra 10mm length on the headshell will get me very much in the sweet spot.  I have moved the cartridge in the headshell as far along as it can go and it improved the positioning.  I'm using an alignment disc template to determine where it needs to go.

I was thinking of fabricating something and what @imhififan has suggested makes it clear what could work.  Obviously need to manage the weight and balance

It's certainly not optimal but I want to do something for the interim.  I need a different plinth but that's not in the budget right now.

I will give this a go :)  thanks

 

What alignment algorithm? As in Baerwald, Lofgren, Stevenson, etc? Many of the older Japanese tonearms were designed for Stevenson.

Dear @koala  : The base of the EPA100 is a " normal " one, it's the MK2 version which is really huge.

If you are off by around 10mm tha's too much. Maybe you can use an external tonearm mounting tower but I think that will be good for you get advises about that at least show  your TT set-up with the epa-100 mounted or at least which TT you own and what tonearm was using with.

More information better advise you can get.

 

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.

Thanks again for everyone's advice

Yes, it's a Mk 2.  The calibration disc does not show the algorithm unfortunately,

I will try mounting the arm again and see if I can achieve the correct P2S distance.  If not, it will be time to get a different arm

What calibration disc?  For example, I think Mint protractors adhere to Baerwald.  Or if its the OEM Technics protractor, it is probably Stevenson.

Dear @koala  : "  it will be time to get a different arm.." or a different TT because the MK2 probably is the best tonearm ever made it, but is up to you.

 

R.