Jazz for aficionados

Jimmy Scott (one of a few select Jazz vocalists that I enjoy)

Nina Simone sang "Don’t Let Me Be Misunderstood". It seems that I’m being misunderstood, but when music is intertwined with religion, and music is intertwined with Capoeira, and although I want to focus on the music as opposed to Capoeira or Religion, it’s difficult for me not to be misunderstood, but I will proceed.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckv6-yhnIY


In the future, I will find the music without the Religion or Capoeira.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFBi5AmctAU

Nowhere on the continent of Africa can be found the quality of African rhythms and music as in Brazil; the musical soul of Sub Sahara Africa sailed away on a slave ship.

Antoine Drye. Oblation, Volume 2: Duration via Tidal. Particularly “Jasmine.”

Day long journey into night;


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtjuxoYnlaw&list=PL8F804DE6DFE5205C&index=2

I just discovered this thread and have enjoyed it immensely.  By following the various You Tube links mentioned in this discussion,  I stumbled upon Chet Baker’s Almost Blue (live)  from his album Chet Baker in Tokyo   If you haven’t heard it and are a cool jazz fan, definitely check it out!

So here is my problem/ questions (I’m a bit of a newbie so some of you may roll your eyes at these questions; apologies in advance).  I absolutely want to add that track to my “favorite jazz” playlist on Roon/Tidal but the album or track isn’t available on Tidal. 
 I have been toying with adding Qobuz as a streaming source.   This leads me to 2 Q’s.   First, Does anyone know if there is a way to ascertain if a track like this is available from a source like Qobuz?   Second, for those who have subscribed to multiple streaming services, what’s been your experience in terms of accessing a broader range of music, ability to combine music from multiple sources on a single playlist, ability of Roon to consolidate music from multiple streaming formats in a seamless way?

I look forward to your thoughts.   Thanks folks!

Pscar, this is not patronising but I think these few regulars posters here are more of an old school guys, regarding how they obtain their music.(somebody correct me if I am wrong)
 You will probably find better answers to your questions if you check other threads on forum 

Speaking for myself, Alex is correct. I don’t know Tidal from cassettes. LP’s and CD’s (reluctantly) are what I’m into . YouTube, whenever I leave my audiophile hat in the closet; which is often.

Stick around, pscar and don’t let any of this deter you, Bottom line:

**** I just discovered this thread and have enjoyed it immensely. ****

"Specificity" is the name of the game when one is a "connoisseur" of the very best jazz available. It's just a matter of what part of my collection I'll listen to today, in addition to "you tube", but never any streaming.

Thank you gentlemen.  I will continue to read and learn from the “aficionados ”!

Post some of your favorite music.  Btw, to be clear, I have no objection of any kind to Tidal or streaming in general.  We are creatures of habit I suppose and with a couple of thousand  LPs and Cds including some I haven’t listened to yet, it’s my comfort zone.  Frankly, I am more than a little intrigued by streaming services.  Alex is good person to recommend some other great Chet Baker.

Frogman, correct me if I'm wrong, but you seemed to have stated "Santeria" was never in Africa?

Dom Um Ramao was the man with the Afro-Brazilian groove like no other; he incorporated Africa in his music like sugar in cake, and it was the Africa that was unique to Brazil.

There are many African rhythms, but there is a certain African rhythm that’s unique to Brazil, and I can hear it, but not everyone can distinguish the different rhythms from Africa. Although from Africa, it is no longer heard on that continent, like so many things from Africa, it is gone for good from that continent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sttkxPzizY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXXXIs8XWxw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRmlCe9ghQ4



Dom’s tune takes me to a place between here and there where I want to be forever.

O-10, no, I did not say that. As you may recall, the issue at hand was your assertion that there was music (or rhythms) native to Africa that ceased to exist in Africa when slaves took it (them) to other countries when enslaved. A notion that I believe is not true and that defies logic.

However, although you misinterpreted my comment, your misinterpretation is actually correct in fact. Santeria was developed in Cuba for the reasons I mentioned previously and can still be found there and in other Caribbean countries; actually, also here in the USA. It is not and was never in Africa because there was no need for it. Btw, “Santeria” is a Spanish word with the literal meaning “the worship of saints”. It is not an African word.

Re the “African rhythm unique to Brazil”:

With respect, I believe you are conflating a couple of different things. Being “unique to Brazil”, even of true and even if the practitioners are of African descent, does not necessarily make it “African”. By the time that there existed any documentation (never mind recordings) of Afro/Brazilian music, just as with all music transplanted to other lands, the influence of indigenous Brazilian (and European) musics would have been well absorbed into a synthesis of all those to become what we recognize as Brazilian music. 

Having said all that, I am intrigued by the idea of this “unique” rhythm. Please provide an example of it. If no recorded example is available, please explain in detail what about this rhythm made it unique as compared to other rhythms. Also, if no recorded example exists, I would have to respectfully ask “how do you know?”

Thanks a lot. I look forward to learning more about this rhythm.

Frogman, do you hear that rhythm at the beginning of this movie? That’s from Africa, and there are other spots in this movie with rhythms brought there by slaves that have been passed down over generations, the same as the religion, the same as "Senteria". A rose by any other name is still a rose, the religion is "African", not Spanish.


       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blJ8v-Q2Zb4
      



Maybe being able to distinguish various African rhythms is partially in the DNA, and some got it, and some don’t. Rhythms that you won’t hear on the African continent because they left on slave ships.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTlh7Ogi4ac



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisner_Augustin



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYN4XMzWE5s


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b_n598_atQ

O-10, there is no point in arguing about this. I don’t believe your premise is based in fact. That’s fine, we are all free to believe what we believe. Must be my inferior DNA, but I hear nothing particularly unique about any of the music in that music score; some of which strikes me as being akin (in authenticity) to that in some Hollywood depictions of “Native American music“ in old Westerns.

BTW, Santeria (with an a) is not found in Africa.  Just like the mysterious and “unique” music found only in Brazil it is a BLEND of practices; a blend of the African Yoruba religion and Roman Catholicism.

Thanks for the clips.

I understand.

Re a recent comment on Fusion.  My favorite Fusion band:

https://youtu.be/sF9kW-8NPqs

Great, but I think I prefer the melody on soprano.  

https://youtu.be/BYyxvFZBeqc

Steps Ahead Safari was boss. The last link was poorly recorded.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrcl73IsK5E




Malou Beauvoir is every bit as beautiful as her music, and I must have her music; it resonates with ancient spirits that reside within that existed since time began. (I like the sound of that)




          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F39gFFAIjAA



          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iarLmtjAJds


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB9CEiP3VqQ


         
         

"Nowhere on the continent of Africa can be found the quality of African rhythms and music as in Brazil; the musical soul of Sub Sahara Africa sailed away on a slave ship."

Your conclusion that the musical soul of Africa "sailed away" to another continent and was somehow drained away forever is, in a way, elitist - the last thing I would have ever expected of you.  African music is, to this day, just as amazing as Brazilian music.  Sometimes you get carried away.

Just ordered Horace Parlan's 'Happy Frame of Mind' album...

Horace Parlan (p), Booker Ervin (t sax), Johnny Coles (tp), Grant Green (g), Butch Warren (b) and Billy Higgins (d) in 1963.

A1 song 'Home is Africa'

https://youtu.be/R5VTkpchEPc

Alex, you always get the albums I must have but don't have. Is that LP or CD?

That's a perfect transition back to the subject of jazz.

Orpheus, I ordered the cd album, but there is also a vinyl edition...

Nice, but also haunting Nina Simone clip....

Wynton at his best. This is featured in a separate thread; I thought it might be of value to some who are not Jazz fans.

https://youtu.be/GN09R2ryJ7o

What office is Wynton running for?

Actually, that wasn’t the only reason.

All the musicians on the album "Happy Frame of Mind" posted by Alex are leaders; that's why I'm reviewing it further.

Some of my favorite albums feature Horace Parlan as a sideman on piano with Mingus.

Blues & Roots (Atlantic, 1959)
Mingus Ah Um (Columbia, 1959)
A Modern Jazz Symposium of Music and Poetry (Bethlehem, 1957)

That's where I heard him before.



Here's another tune from that album; solid straight ahead jazz that makes you feel good.



            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrjTGPZcyjM

Horace is also featured on "Salt Song" with Stanley Turrintine.


              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGtV7rpnFjk


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Q_hAZShzk



Another one of my favorite albums.

Just exploring and found this gem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-97nkEAsRA

This sounds like Monk in his most abstract mood and Pharoah Sanders; I think Sun Ra is mostly an acquired taste.

Acman, your tastes seem to be quite similar to one of my best friends; who I still love, but can't quite grasp his taste in music.

Sun Ra sounds like Monk and Ellington to me.

As far as my taste in music, I only like good music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRVfvHFSN-A

I think I have this on VHS tape.


     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTd7X0jHzQ

When this VHS tape that I have was made, Sun Ra and his merry band all lived in a huge house in Philadelphia that was done up in the style of the ancient Egyptians. They had a lot of fun and made a good living; who could ask for more?


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ioFrtlNXZk

frogman thanks for posting that Amazing Grace by Wynton. It made my day.

Its amazing that simple hymn, within the context of all the complex music all over the world from classical to blues, from blues to jazz and rock and hip hop, is, and always will be one of the greatest statements of humanity

It is never to late to change your life and be humbled to rise above no matter what your religious beliefs may be.

Amazing Grace! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found
Was blind, but now I see.

’Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear,
And Grace my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.

Through many dangers, toils, and snares
I have already come.
’Tis Grace hath brought me safe thus far
And Grace will lead me home.

The Lord has promised good to me.
His Word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be
As long as life endures.

When we’ve been there ten thousand years
Bright shining as the sun,
We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise
Than when we’d first begun.

I have been listening to "Wes Montgomery", both of them; he's two musicians rolled into one, the more jazz oriented Wes before 65, and the Pop oriented Wes who became famous after 65. I like them both; as to which one, that depends on my mood.

This is the most beautiful version of "Round Midnight" ever.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Xozvcf0FA


Later on there was "Bumpin on Sunset"; thus began another period in his music.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER8Q504Vro8


Wes played some beautiful music and I enjoyed it all; his music has so many beautiful memories to go along with the music for me.

Glad you liked it, pjw.  Nice commentary.  Thanks for the lyrics.  

Wes Montgomery:

Notice the producer of “Bumpin...”.  Creed Taylor.  Early example of the CTI formula and sound.

Yes pjs, Thanks!

It's so strange that a slave trader from centuries ago could write a song about me.

Has anyone ever wondered why absolutely nothing that came from Africa survived US slavery?

All throughout the Caribbean and South America, stuff survived that came over with the slaves from Africa.   But not even one drum lick that came from Africa survived US slavery; voodoo over here came from Haiti. Blackey had to go to Africa to discover the African drum.

Has anyone ever wondered why absolutely nothing that came from Africa survived US slavery?

I disagree with this statement.

All throughout the Caribbean and South America, stuff survived that came over with the slaves from Africa.  But not even one drum lick that came from Africa survived US slavery; voodoo over here came from Haiti. Blackey had to go to Africa to discover the African drum.

I'm confused. Haven't you been saying that during the slave trade the Africans brought all of their tribal musical traditions all over the world and subsequently it disappeared from Africa (which I also disagree with). If you believe that how could Art Blakey go to Africa well after slavery ended and find the African drum.

Have I missed something?

Pjw, you understand what you want to understand, and don't understand what you don't want to understand.

You don't even understand that the US and Brazil are two different places.


I understand what was, is, and will always be.

010

With all respect I am not trying to have a war of words with you but your very defensive answers, in which you are belittling me while not answering with primary sources your opinion/firm belief? absolutely nothing that came from Africa survived US slavery?  

And your opinion/firm belief? that traditional African tribal music has vanished entirely from Africa after the centuries of the slave trade. Is there any way you can support this with facts from primary, secondary or tertiary sources?

And if this is true how could Blakey learn African drums if it has disappeared, as you contend from prior posts, from the African continent after the centuries of the slave trade.

I understand what was, is, and will always be.

Well then I guess my time is wasted since you understand all. Please leave the personal insults out of your replies.

So, let me get this straight, O-10. According to your own words, you claim to “being able to distinguish various African rhythms“ due to your DNA; even though you are from a different continent and live centuries later.  Yet, the DNA of African slaves, the very folks who lived those rhythms in Africa, and their descendants had that DNA completely erased when brought to the America’s.  Got it!