I hear you pjw.
I often throw off that line because nature seems to follow that route .Of course there are many exceptions .
I often throw off that line because nature seems to follow that route .Of course there are many exceptions .
Jazz for aficionados
Slow guitar...couple of songs from two famous guitar players,albums are from 70’s. Tal Farlow, from ’A sign of times’ from 1976 https://youtu.be/q5VLW5gho6A Kenny Burrell from ’Round midnight’ from 1972 https://youtu.be/EHcaNfy_ipo https://youtu.be/FJgeqSxJnlE ....spaeaking of beautiful ballads on sax...how about this one? Charlie Rouse https://youtu.be/_I3WXYncRrA |
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I just read this rather scathing review of McCoy Tyner’s piano playing. I was shocked to put it mildly. Once again, the virtuosity vs. "soul/feeling/depth" is brought into play. I happen to think Tyner, although no Bill Evans, is a very good pianist. I enjoy his solos and his accompaniment and interplay on all of the Coltrane Impulse sessions are wonderful to me. How anyone can claim to know what musician has more heart and soul in his/her playing of any instrument or vocals is something I will never wrap my head around. Everyone listens and hears things differently and is entitled to their opinion. A trained classical music professor, who claims to be this wizard of music, who can rightfully review which singer/player exhibits more heart and soul then others is, to me, like the great Oz behind the curtain. A bigot and absorbed in his/her own opinions that disregards anything else. I pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!! Here is the review. I would appreciate any input on this from all the contributors here. And a few by those with experience in the musical field are welcome as well HINT - frogman! The following is quoted from the review of the McCoy Tyner live at the Village Vanguard LP:
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acman3 thanks for the links. Very informative and the concert was is fantastic. frogman here is where I found the review. Scroll down its the first review by F. Hoffmann : https://www.amazon.com/Mccoy-Tyner-Coltrane-Village-Vanguard/dp/B00005NRWZ/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=mccoy... This guy trashes Tyner then gives 5 star reviews to DJ mix electro dance music. |
Well, I was trying really hard to come up with a tactful way of pointing out that there are qwacks in every profession, but after re-reading the McCoy “review” and it’s source I am breathing a sigh of relief. I have known many music professors over the years and while some were better than others, none have been qwacks; although, I’m sure they are out there. I am relieved because the “reviewer” is not a professor at all; he is simply an idiot. The first hint was his misuse of the term “accords”. Huh?! While he tries real hard, the way he writes about music and musicians is not the way a knowledgeable music professor would. Sealing the deal is the simple fact that he never says he is a professor. He only comments about what he thinks music professors would think about McCoy’s playing and he is dead wrong with his assumptions. His comments about McCoy are ill-informed and mostly ridiculous; so, not much more to say about it. If he can’t hear the beauty and elegance (to use his term) in McCoy’s playing he is worse than an idiot: https://youtu.be/7toKjKtbeeI https://youtu.be/zu3aSjIOSyw |
Thanks for your opinion and for the links frogman. McCoy is one of my favorites right up there with Bill Evans and Oscar Peterson. Do you have the Oscar Peterson 8cd box set here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01018T3VC/?coliid=I2M5AESQHUS64N&colid=2MJEFFF7AFXNS&psc=0&re... The price is steep and I wanted opinions on the sonics. |
pjw and acman, thank you for the valuable links. Pjw, I like your attitude in this matter and I agree with it. You already said pretty much all at the very beginning. Fro, your answer is of great value. It shows us on what we should pay attention on, when reading anything related to the skill of the professional and highly rated musician. Thank you for that. If the musician has the required technical skill (this is essential condition, so called sine qua non), that what remains to be noted is related to the pure personal taste of the listener. |
The first user review for this clip. Love it: “A sweet Jobim then fed through the Tyner mangle. Goes in as “Wave; comes out as “Tsunami”. https://youtu.be/JF6KV2v4pqM With another tsunami: https://youtu.be/pG9UZwczSVg |
McCoy Tyner - Revelations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--2cQCYwaUs John Coltrane - A Love Supreme ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll3CMgiUPuU McCoy Tyner -- piano |
Anyone interested in McCoy Tyner's early sessions as a leader on the Impulse label here is a fantastic bargain. 6 albums for 12 dollars. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KLCRVNT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I just ordered mine! |
If McCoy is a tsunami, Bill Evans was a cool breeze at dawn. Both originals. https://youtu.be/QMyM6_Ygq60 Interesting about ”cartoon music”. We hear it now as quaint and humorous. It was the hip stuff back then. The new groundbreaking sound. |
...and it hits like music, slowly, and then all at once... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2LFVWBmoiw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU70hNzHZRY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp8Y7sXyKRA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xElBE7JwJSk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myUuXffyu_k |
pjw thanks for the D Byrd cuts . I really liked Fancy Free and would buy it but only after I get his earlier Blue Note 60's stuff. Didn't care for Electric Byrd and the echo device used by him. Byrd was into the funky rhythms and extended vamps about the same time as Herbie Hancock but I prefer Hancock's work in this genre a bit more. With respect to that review you found on Amazon that guy is an idiot who found it necessary to trash Tyner because he doesn't like his style. So much of this goes on in today's twitter world I basically ignore it It's probably a guy who never played a note of music in his life and has no idea how much effort goes into being a professional musician. Tyner has earned his rightful place in jazz history by being in one of themost groundbreaking groups in the 1960's and today is an elder statesman who continues to entertain many fans and probably music critics also. |
nsp, As for Byrd's 60's output don't pass up this gem which, IMHO, has great music and since your an LP guy the cover is a bonus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l8Rssn5XT4 |
Two of my favorite Jazzmen , Eddie Gomez and Jim Hall, with a different take on another favorite, "Waltz for Debby " . https://youtu.be/w7xTidDeVV8?t=34 |
///When I see or hear Lady Day I see and hear only profound sadness . The love she needed was tough love , 5 years in a NY state prison if that was all that could be done . In the 1940’s the very word jazz meant one thing to the American public at large , DRUGS./// Her "I am fool to want you" is the saddest song I have ever heard in my entire life. And that’s not even sadness. That is pain. Pure pain. |
Perhaps this comparation could be called a ’stretch’ one but this composition came to mine mind, after listening to ’Slow drag’.... ...perhaps sounding a tad bit sinister... John Coltrane’s ’Equinox’ from ’Coltrane’s sound’ from 1964 https://youtu.be/w5QGBHavF0U ..speaking of ’sinister’ notes, this one has my favourite intro (posted before)... https://youtu.be/3rSbbCxija0 |
Can’t get any sweeter ! https://youtu.be/GcrtI0RzODI?t=17 |
Schubert, the bass player on that album is Wendell Marshall. Here are few words about him from 'all music com' https://www.allmusic.com/artist/wendell-marshall-mn0000244351/biography discography.... (I guess everyone has some album where he played) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Marshall one more from Eddie Costa, with Bill Evans and Wendell Marshall https://youtu.be/FLsgwhjhNpc |
I listened to the 4 discs of that new release of early McCoy Tyner sessions. It is an import but the sonics are fine. Each of the first 3 discs contain 2 full albums totaling 6. The 4th disc was a surprise. Its and Eric Dolphy lead group with Tyner on piano playing live in Munich. I found the recording session here: https://www.amazon.com/Eric-Dolphy-Munich-Session-Mainstream/dp/B00KNYXZIC The above album is presented in its entirety on disc 4 but the sonics on this are pretty bad compared to the first 3 discs. Still worth the price and I would buy it asap before its out of print and the price gouging starts. Here is the original link for the box set: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KLCRVNT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 |
alex Thanks for the Eddie Costa links. On that last one he is listed as the Vibraphonist. A very talented musician. Here is a cool trio session with Walter Bishop Jr. on piano: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p2R34reoQI |