Is this the solution to LP static issues?? Seems to be!


Last night i was listening to a superb original RCA white dog pressing of Lena Horne and Harry Belafonte ( if you can source this, i highly recommend it!) 
I noticed that all of my prior LP's were exhibiting considerable static attraction to my felt mat on my LP12. Not this one!!! How come, since the LP was played at the same time as the others, in the same system, the same room temperature etc.?? I noticed on the cover of the album the following large sticker: Miracle Surface, This record contains the revolutionary new antistatic ingredient, 317X, which helps keep the record dust free, helps prevent surface noise, helps insure faithful sound reproduction on Living Stereo.  

Whatever this additive is that was put on this album back in 1959 sure works well!! Anyone know what 317X is?? Why are we NOT using this stuff today??
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I had a lot of records to do so drove down to my local Home Depot paid a couple day workers $20 each to pressure wash em in the drive way. Lost a label or two for which I docked each one $5. They were more careful after that let me tell you!  

All my records are treated very carefully. No matter what you might think, set the cheeseburger down. Trust me. Also the platter is not really a platter, and should not be used for food, not even chinese, which is a shame seeing how it rotates and all.   

Static will attract dog and cat hairs, and bird feathers. When this happens use the brush attachment, do not just vacuum on the floor however much better this may seem, its not. Trust me. 
@mijostyn  No record of mine is ever going near Brake cleaning fluid, just like no record of mine is going in a plastic inner sleeve, they only go into rice paper sleeves. YMMV
Following on from my comment yesterday (08-Dec), it dawns on me that you could achieve a static drain connection to some bearings with adhesive backed shielding tape - the material I referenced earlier.

The adhesive is conductive, and you can solder to the foil.
Depending on the construction of your turntable bearing, you could solder a ground wire to the foil, then peel the backing off and affix it to the bearing.

It might take some fiddling, and obviously won’t work in all situations, but it’s something that might work for you.

I just finished a roll of this, and it works as advertised: https://www.stewmac.com/electronics/shielding/conductive-copper-tape.html

I recently picked up a roll of this, but haven’t used it yet: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C6YLNYL/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

... Thom @ Galibier Design
This conversation inspired me to document how to work with the shielding tape.  Check this blog post if you're interested:  https://galibierdesign.com/dont-give-me-no-static/

... Thom @ Galibier Design
daveyf, ok rice paper sleeves. I get the MoFi ones whatever they are. As long as they don't donate electrons you are in business.

You are so Victorian. What is so precious about a record (screams of agony) Take a piece of PVC pipe and throw it in a pot of Brake cleaning fluid. Let it sit there for a year. What happens? Absolutely nothing. Records are the same stuff (with a few different minor ingredients). You use "Last"? It is brake cleaning fluid. Same stuff is used for cleaning electronic parts. It is very inert but is a great solvent for non polar substances. It also has a very high vapor pressure and makes an excellent refrigerant. It is running around your car in rubber hoses heated to in excess of 200 degrees F. You are making an assumption (Brake cleaning fluid is bad for records) which is totally false and may be the exact opposite. This is the way myths get started. I greatly prefer observable reality when available. 
mijostyn
Wow, cleeds, sir what planet are you living on.
Ignorance and snark are a bad combination, @mijostyn, and it didn’t turn out well for you last time you tried to engage me as your foil. I’ve already answered all of your questions about record cleaning, both on this thread and others, so please feel free to review them at your leisure.
@mijostyn,

CFCs were banned 20+ years ago - whatever is left is with those that horded the product a long time ago; and CFC-solvents have an indefinite shelf life.  So, enjoy what you have  - very few people have any left.  There are some laboratory quantities left for sale - but they are insanely expensive.  But for the sake of the planet and the safety of others - please stop recommending it or discussing it.  As I have now said twice, the replacement solvents in Brake Cleaner are now either carcinogenic or will dissolve the record.

And, the CFC's in your car AC system such as CFC-12 boiled at room temperature and could not and were never used as a solvent.  And the current replacement HFC-134a (that can dissolve Viton fluorinated rubber) that has no ozone depleting potential is being phased out because it has a high green house warming potential - yeah we fixed one problem only to cause another.  
@mijostyn  As a long time record collector, calling me Victorian is quite a complement. LOL.

@antinn   Thanks for attempting to bring some common sense and experience to this thread. +1
Cleeds, I was simply responding to your comments which seem rather odd. At any rate your previous comments were a perversion of the subject at hand thus misleading. 

Antinn, CFCs were banned in certain high use applications such as air conditioners. The worry was that they were breaking down the Oxone layer. They are readily available in various forms used for other purposes. This is the one I use https://www.grainger.com/product/5YK77?gclid=CjwKCAiAq8f-BRBtEiwAGr3DgW8iLDfylpAiijn-6L6umNg4_a4W971...
CRC also makes a CFC free formulation (green bottle) This one might damage PVC I do not know but rest assured the CFC version does no immediate harm to PVC even if you soak the record for a week because unlike several commentators here I have done it.  As you note there are various CFCs with varying boiling points. The ones in use now have relatively high boiling points. 



@mijostyn,

Your summary of CFC's is wrong.  All manufacture of  Class I ODS substances were banned in 1996 - and this included all applicable  refrigerants and solvents.  Class II ODS (HCFCs) are now banned or will be shortly.  Good heavens man, I was awarded an EPA Ozone Protection Award in 1995 for my Navy work in reducing the use of CFC-113 solvent  in precision cleaning of Navy life support systems.  I am intimately familiar with the whole CFC phase out and my follow-on work made me intimately familiar with the global warming issue with many refrigerants.

But you have confused chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) with chlorinated which are completely different.  The 'chlorinated' product you are using is the one that contains perchloroethylene - the human carcinogen.  The CRC Brake Clean Chlorinated SDS is here -  Grainger SDS Lookup.  
Not sure how my thread went from inquiring about the age old anti-static formulation that RCA was using on their vinyl, and which seems to work like a charm, even decades later...to: Brake Cleaning fluid used to clean one members LP's!! Just goes to show how fast these threads can and do go off rail!! LOL
Not sure how my thread went from inquiring about the age old anti-static formulation that RCA was using on their vinyl, and which seems to work like a charm, even decades later...to: Brake Cleaning fluid used to clean one members LP’s!! Just goes to show how fast these threads can and do go off rail!! LOL

Why address the original question when you can have a food fight instead. Ah ... the joys of the interwebz ;-)

I stopped hanging out here for the longest time, primarily because of the snark factor and poor signal to noise ratio. I suppose that the passage of time has taught me how to filter it out for the most part, so there’s that ...

... Thom @ Galibier Design

@thom_at_galibier_design   Well Thom, I did learn that there is a member who uses Brake Cleaning fluid on his records, and to him I am Victorian. There is that, lol.