You both can be right or you both can be wrong, it doesn't matter, it's the music that is important.
If You And I Disagree About Audio, Who's Right? Roger Skoff tells you who to believe.
Well I am right.
I am always right and you are wrong.
If I want your opinion I will tell it to you.
Just kidding I am not like some here......THAT"S FOR SURE!
https://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/viewpoint/0322/Disagree_About_Audio.htm
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@russ69 You are absolutely right! |
There is the gear choices, then the embeddings working controls of the electrical and mechanical and acoustical factors... Acoustic is the key factor... Thats all i learned in the last years of my listening experiments... I am not right or wrong.... It is not even debatable... Acoustic is key and it is a simple MISUNDERSTOOD fact by most because acoustic is more complex than buying and plugging... Then i dont debate simple fact.... I am not right or wrong.... It is a simple fact : what we hear is more related to acoustic science than to some brand name company... But people with a lot of money, not studying or experimenting with acoustic, DEBATED about "tweaks" for or against one, and vouch for brand name gear , especially costly one and they called this ignorance of acoustic their " taste"... They completely underestimated the power of acoustic treatment and control and promote their "taste" in gear....If this is audio debate i am out of it.... Am i right or am i wrong? Nor right nor wrong...ON TARGET....It is not a debate it is knowledge... It is a common place fact.... Like the genesis of rainbow after the rain.... Who will debate about rainbow existence?
«Rainbow exist only in my head perhaps but my head encompass the universe» -Groucho Marx physicist |
Acoustic matter.... And our own discriminative perceptive power must be EDUCATED by acoustic...Our listening "taste"or experiences are the result of a personal specific history.... Not like crocodiles an INNATE taste..... If our alleged "taste" are not educated by our own experiments we are only mere conditioned PASSIVE customers ... I am not one... "as the article states" deceptively alluding to the consumerism mantra and alleged "taste" :
The important words here is : "IF YOU ARE SHOPPING"... I dont shop i have made listenings experiments in the three working dimensions of audio...Especially acoustic.... I dont need to shop and upgrade chasing my tail.... Music is also sound but sound is not music....
This article is simplistic...He speak about gear not about acoustic embeddings for ANY gear ... and directed toward consumerism not knowledge and experiments and experience in embeddings controls...WITH A COMPLETE UNDERESTIMATION of acoustic for the benefit of consumerism... The author even spoke of the way electricity travel in cables...Ridiculous because the effect of different cables choice on sound experience dont measure up to acoustic tremendous impact... This author is not even wrong...Like String theorists... That says all.... The only important words here is : "if you are shopping".... What about how to embed properly the gear we already own ? How to listen to the gear we already own in an untreated and uncontrolled room? NOT A WORD about that... Debates in audio reflect most of the times ignorance...Especially of acoustic impact... I apologize for my rant but anyway it seems i am one of the very few here who know that....am i nut? i listen to my 500 bucks system amazed by general ignorance and price tag conditioning... I never read audio articles anymore guess why? 😁😊
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@almosthome + 1 facts! |
Personal taste alone CANNOT be the LAST and only word and the last and only stage in our audio experience...Personal taste must be motivated andinformed by a meaningful process... In our journey we must correlate our own taste and subjective perception to an INCREMENTAL process of listening experiments in mechanical, electrical amd acoustical dimensions of the working system... Taste alone is not meaningful but deceptive and the means by which consumerism marketing methods target us and limit our own thinking window... This is already the case and evident in all audio thread... For sure we all like our subjective experience when we pick the right components but this does not means that there is no place for the most important process in audio : optimization of the part and of the whole in our room... This optimization is impossible without listening experiments in the three embeddings dimensions especially acoustic... Taste without experiments is deceptive .... Gear upgrade without acoustic experience and basic control is meaningless taste choice and uneducated biases... Biases must be educated by a learning process...Like a musician in the process of educating his own biases:this is learning... Subjective perception must have the last word in any audio experience , yes, but subjective perception must be correlated with objective experiments in acoustic to become educated... Uneducated taste is ignorance... there is bliss in ignorance also for sure.... But the goal of audio and music experience is also educated higher meaningful experience... A crocodile tasting his rotten victim corpse call it the higher culinary bliss also... i prefer another kind of bliss..... Then taste correlated to no acoustic fact, nor to any other electrical and mechanical experiments save a brand name in gear plugged in the wall is only ignorance... Taste+acoustic= educated experience
Am i right? Am i wrong? I am in the process of correlating which is right or wrong, and i call it acoustic listenings experiments...
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I rarely respond to queries asking for particular brands and models for purchase because I've always felt self conscious about this. What makes me qualified to answer this question for another, my system, room, experience, ear/brain listening complex entirely unique. While there is no doubt I've been at least subconsciously influenced by others in making audio system decisions, I've consciously made vast majority of decisions based on my own past experiences.
I think I was lucky in that my initial forays into audiophile systems was prior to information technology explosion. I made equipment purchases and built systems with virtually no outside influences, it was only my personal experiences listening to other audio systems that guided me in determining preferred sound qualities. I had no experts to lead me, I considered myself to be most expert in making my choices.
I'm not sure I'd like to be novice audiophile today, far too many 'experts' likely leads many to doubt themselves. My recollections of the few audiophile publications and letters to the editor, and my own interactions with fellow audiophiles recall a time when it felt more like a mass or common exploration to discover the determinants of audiophile sound qualities. Now it seems everyone believes or desires to be an 'expert' or the objective voice of one with the highest knowledge. I often read audio threads with a sociological and/or psychological perspective rather than audio perspective.
I'm completely in with advice given within the context of personal experience, this is knowledge imparted without other hidden agendas. These are the true experts, maintaining the subjective posture illustrates one wants to be helpful rather than expert. Desire a funny thing, helpful or expert, all becomes known in time! I'm all in with Skoff, you are the expert only for yourself! |