How to Connect DAC's USB Port to Ethernet Cable


My DAC is a Bricasti M21. I would like to try streaming native DSD256 files using the DACs true 1-bit DSD.

Music is currently streamed using Audirvana on my android phone from a network switch using the DACs ethernet port with an ethernet cable. The DAC can only stream DSD256 files using its USB port. I’d like keep the ethernet connection to stream other file types and Qobuz. I can switch to the DACs USB port using the remote when I want to listen to DSD256 files.

The computer with the DSD256 files is downstairs and the Bricasti is upstairs. How do I add a cord from the network switch in the music room to the DACs USB port? Do I need a separate box in the music room that converts the network ethernet signal to a USB signal or can I use a USB-B to ethernet adapter?

I already contacted the manufacturer, but the person I talked with said they have never tried this before.

bigby

@bigby

If you don’t want another box then try attaching portable SSD like Samsung EVO to  M21 USB input to stream DSD256 files.

@carlsbad2 "i think you meant to @ the OP".

No, I really meant you! Mind you, half the time the @ does not actively link for me, witness this post.

You had written: "ethernet input is only for ethernet. Try to put a processed signal into it and the DAC will not know what to do with it".

Frankly, the second part is nonsense! There is an international standard called the Open Systems Interconnection (OSI) model which defines seven layers of communication, each building on the lower layers. At the bottom is the Physical Layer, then comes the Data Link layer. These two layers are where Ethernet plays and are the ’how’ of moving data packets.

The higher levels are Network, Transport, Session, Presentation, and Application layers, which is where the ’what’ is being transmitted is agreed.

The internet uses a similar, but much less rigorously defined, model with four layers and does not really define the lower levels where Ethernet plays.

Unlike USB, Ethernet is in effect a broadcast technology where no device has a controlling role. Any device can transmit whenever it likes, provided two conditions are met. The first is that it can detect no other transmission when it starts broadcasting, and it can detect no other transmission when it stops. If collisions are detected, it must wait before attempting to re-transmit. This is why Ethernet cannot guarantee timing.

For collision detection to always work, Ethernet messages must be sufficiently long that two cannot get scrambled in the middle of the network without the scramble being detected at the far ends. The maximum separation and the speed of transmission determine the minimum message length, which is about 500 bytes. Given so much message, the Ethernet designers did not scrimp when deciding how long to make an Ethernet address - they specified 6 bytes which is 48 bits - a number about 65,000 times bigger than the miserable 32 bits Internet Protocol version 4 struggles with. So every Ethernet device ever made has an absolutely unique address, known as the Media Access Code or MAC.

Physically, Ethernet has evolved since the original near-rigid ’garden-hose’ coaxial cable which needed to be drilled at defined points 2-metres apart to tap for a new connection. This was quickly replaced by thinner, more flexible coaxial cable then with twisted pairs or fibre. Whereas the original cable could connect many devices, subsequent cables were point-to-point with the networking connections provided by repeaters, bridges, routers / switches and gateways. Neatly, these hardware devices represent different layers of the OSI model, from the bottom up!

Starting with the actual data to be transmitted, each layer from the Application down tops and tails that data with metadata pertinent to that layer. Ethernet provides the final wrapper and is totally unconcerned about any metadata other layers have added. It is the other layers that define what the data represents and how it should be handled.

Provided the DAC and the sender use the same higher level protocols, they will understand what is being transmitted and how to handle it.

There are some fairly small streamers out there that will handle DSD. iFi would be the first place I would look at. The OP said he doesn’t want a large box in that system-I get that- and I haven’t heard the greatest feedback about the company - but if he only needs it to play DSD files it might be worth taking a flyer, particularly if he has a return policy.

Another small footprint solution might be a MacMini. He would have to verify that a MacMini can handle DSD. Also the last time I owned one , over a decade ago, I had to attach a monitor to it, which I wall mounted to save space. However I would think that it should be possible to control with an iOS app on a portable device

If you're going to be using a computer for streaming, it should be stripped down in terms of hardware and functionality. An apple product won't let you do that, it will fight you every inch of the way. Also, apple does not support flac natively... In 2024... Apple is the last brand/platform an audiophile should consider.

 

Thank you everyone for all the suggestions.  I didn't realize how complicated this is.  I'm going to wait until after the holidays and take it up again.

Kind regards,

Alan