I was inspired by the other active thread ‘How Much to Spend to Make Vinyl Better Than Digital’ and have a similar question, but in a different context (my sysytem) and didn’t want coopt the other thread. I would really love some advice about what sort of turntable, cart, phono pre, I need to shoot to be at least as viable (or more so) than digital in my system. To help you give me advice I will give you some background.
I am relatively new to this hobby (less than four years in), so I am in many ways just a begnner, and particularly with respect to the world of turntables (I grew up in the CD era of 90’s) but at the same time, I’ve thrown myself into learning, and I’ve come a long way in a short time.
While I have upgraded gear (Focal Kanta No.1, SVS 3000 micro subs x2, Lta Microzotl preamp, Pass XA25 amp, NAD m10v2 for streamer/Dac/Dirac), my two biggest revelations so far have been the profound benefits of room treatment (panels now cover nearly every inch of the walls and ceiling in the room) and the wonders of Dirac in managing bass, focusing imaging, and dialing everything in to taste. I am in a place where I am now happy with my digital setup, but I would like to explore vinyl. So….
I think my question is what sort of turntable, cartridge, and phono pre would I need to make my vinyl setup substantially different enough (in a good way) and at least equally enjoyable (if not more enjoyable) as my digital setup?
My only experiences with turntables (aside from short one off demos at dealers where I don’t know the room or system) come from before I was 12 years old when my parents owned one (doesn’t really count), and my ownership of a Victrola Stream Carbon with an internal phono stage and Ortofon 2m Red Cartridge that I later upgraded to an Ortofon Black cartridge. The cartridge upgrade was very nice and took me from not really liking vinyl because it was too veiled to enjoy it much, to finding it viable to listen to but not really feeling it was better. I guess I was hoping for more somehow. Unfortunately, the turntable bit the dust (something electrical since it wont turn on, but its probably not worth repairing now) before I treated my room, switched speakers (Focal Aria to Kanta), switched amps (Parasound New Classic 2250v2 to Pass Labs Xa25), preamp (none to LTA Microzotl). Due to this, it is hard to say for sure what I would get out of my old table if it still functioned, but I guess I was hoping for more magic at the time. What I got was a sound that was sometimes more real or natural sounding (good), but often thinner and less resolving (I’m sure the phono stage sucked, but cannot say for sure since I had no comparables and it was non-defeatable).
I guess what I was hoping for then, and am hoping to get now, is something more akin to what I got when I added the LTA preamp to my chain and the tubes brought an infusion of naturalness and believability (i guess that’s how I’d class it) to the sound. I want to know what turntable, cart, phono stage, can give me an alternative presentation that is a compelling alternative to my digital setup that I am very happy with. My current digital system is vocally forward and very open (both to a degree naturally, and also due to my dirac EQ). I would like the vinyl setup to emphasize vocals and make them as open, emotional, and lifelike as possible. I am not afraid to spend a bit if it gets me to the finish line, but at the same time, I don’t have unlimited funds, and want to be sensible and invest in what actually moves the needle (literally and figuratively) not just go wild. I view my other components as likely to be around for the foreseeable future.
I have watched about everything logical on Youtube, but comparisons between tables, carts, and phono stages are limited and difficult to interpret. I have found chatgpt to be much more helpful.
In my exploration I have considered the technics lineup (all new models really, 1500c,1200gr2,1300g,1200g) but chatgpt seems to suggest these would present more similarly to a more balanced digital setup and provide great balance and perfect timing compared to belt driven tables, but may not fit my desire to achieve an alternative to my digital setup and emphasize the naturalness of vocals (do you agree?) and suggests they may not be the best match for me.
I have explored Rega, particularly the P8 (on the assumption that the 8 is better than the 6 and don’t know if I want to make the budget stretch to the 10). Chatgpt tells me the pace, rhythm, and punch are stars here, but there might be better options if vocals are my priority (do you agree).
I also am considering VPI, possibly something like VPI Prime X. Chat gpt suggests this will provide great bass foundation and depth of sound, but again may not provide the vocal emphasis I am seeking (do you agree?)
I also investigated Clearaudio, but I was also not told this was a great match.
Chat gpt seems to recommend that I take a hard look at Michell turntables, which leaves only two within my budget the Tecnodec, and the Gyro SE. Chat gpt says either will better align with my preferences for a clear alternative to my digital setup while emphasizing open organic vocals (do you agree?). It suggests the difference between the two may not be that huge, but that the Gyro will bring more soundstage depth into play. Interestingly, it suggests that the Tecnodec would be a better choice given what i am looking for in an emphasis on warm,open, emotionally engaging vocals over even more expensive models from Technics 1300g or 1200g, or the Rega P8 or P10.
If I were living life according to chat gpt, i would opt for the Michell Tecnodec or Gyro SE, but living is for humans so I thought I would consult the humans here.
Frankly, I don’t even know if I should be selecting a turntable first, or if the phono stage or cartridge could/should be chosen first in this case.
I think might like to initially use my Ortofon 2m black and then swap it out for a great moving coil cartridge which will allow more initial investment in table and/or phono pre (I heard the Kiseki Purple Heart cartridge on a table in Hong Kong that I thought sounded great, but who knows how much can be attributed to that as compared to phono pre, room, speakers, amp, preamp, etc with which i was not familiar). But if this is the wrong approach I am willing to rethink this as well.
I frankly know nothing meanngful about phono stages and cartridges because despite trying reasonably hard to educate myself there are so few comparisons to be had, and I have so little experience or reference points, it just feels like guessing (sort of like I did when i grabbed my 2m Black and I still don’t know if I guessed right because I had no comparison aside from my prior Red). The only thing I might say is if guessing, I might try a legit tube stage since i loved everything my LTA preamp brought i didn’t have before, and if splurging on a cartridge I might try the Kiseki Purple Heart because I thought the system it was in sounded amazing the one time I heard it. As you can see, these are not exactly anything close for a sound basis for making costly decisions.
I would love to hear your thoughts about what to consider (for everything), and which component you would lock in first if you were in my shoes. Thanks!
