Lately, I've been comparing HD Down loads to "analog". The obvious first advantage is no pops and ticks, but that's just for old records. Another advantage for me personally is that I don't have class "A" analog, I have class "B", which is very good. I still use Stereophile magazine's ratings of equipment as a way of conveying how good a piece of equipment is. While folks here put that method of conveying how good a piece of equipment is, they still concur with it, and they don't even know it.
Class "A" analog is the best, and it's always very expensive. You have to have 100% class "A" in the chain to yield class "A" sound, which is why I have Class "B".
In my comparison evaluation, I used Santana "Abraxas" as the test LP. Since I've worn out 5 copies of this album, to say I'm familiar with it is an understatement. "Singing Winds And Crying Beasts" is the first cut, it has "tinkly" sounding chimes that test definition on all equipment. After listening to a new LP, I gave it an "A" rating. This meant the HD Download would have to be some kind of fantastic to top the LP.
As soon as the music began, it became apparent the HD Download was superior; there was a "jet black" background. This is something I had never heard before. I'm fully aware of the fact that's an "oxymoron". "How can you hear what you don't hear, and you have never heard before". Only an audiophile can understand that, consequently, I won't try to explain it. After only two cuts, I gave the HD Download an "A+" rating.
While I have Class "B" analog, if you have Class "A" analog, it might be better than the Download, I don't know. These are the results from my comparison, I would like to hear yours.
Vicdamone, I compared the download to a stock 45. I have no doubts that the special 45 you mentioned is superior when played on the right equipment. I've auditioned equipment that was too good to believe, and so was the price; or should I say equally unbelievable.
Orpheus, so there is no misunderstanding, I was suggesting you compare a specific remastering of Weather Reports "Heavy Weather" 45 RPM. not simply any 45 RPM.
HD Tracks offers this recording in 176 and 88 24bit but it doesn't mention the Bernie Grundman remastering before purchasing.
If you or anybody has purchased this recording, do the liner notes mention the Grundmen remastering?
Vicdamone, I've already verified that a HD Download is as good as a 45 RPM. The 45 was better than 33 1/3, and both were better than the CD.
This was a 96 KHZ/24 bit HD Download. My judgment was based primarily on "nuance" as opposed to frequency response or dynamic range. Nuance is what I was looking for, and that's what I got.
I'm reporting my findings to you as I "verify" them. HD Download is better than the same CD even when they are technically the same. Why? I don't know.
Believe it or not, I'm discovering all the variables mentioned close up and personal, but at the same time; I'm really enjoying these HD Downloads. Nothing can be better than the master tape, but it can be as good, and so it is with these downloads, they vary according to the quality of the master tape.
Digital and vinyl both have the potential to sound very good.
I prefer to bitch about the degradation of the media after the initial recording process. Post production and compression takes incredible amounts of fidelity and dynamic range away from the initial recording.
The mediocrity of modern click track recording takes the spontaneity and musicianship out of most recording. After all the degradation the original recording takes fencing about the analog or digital mastering of a recording originally recorded in analog is lost in the subjectivity of personal taste.
Try this: listen to any CD, rip. or digital download of Weather Reports "Birdland" then listen to the Bernie Grundman mastered 45 RPM LP.
Compared to digital, quality phono playback can suffer greatly from the quality of the components in the playback chain. In the example above one should be able to hear the superior mastering with a modest phono chain.
It's not about digital or vinyl its about how its produced. Both can be very good.
You know, 33 1/3 LPs are not the standard of Analog- Reel to reel master recordings are. LPs are full of compromises. LP vinyl was the sound medium for the masses. If the internet were around 3 or 4 decades ago this same discussion might be going on about reel to reel vs. LPs. LPs have the advantage of decades of technology development which has brought it a long way- to be sure. A lot of hurdles have been overcome to lift such wonderful music off of a vinyl disc; but it still has many limitations. eg. The signal is compressed in the grooves, hence the RIAA curve and the interpretation of that curve by various preamps, cartridge design, tonearm design and of course, speed control of the platter. CDs are built around the same paradigm as vinyl using a laser instead of a needle and a motor based time system. So many of the challenges of vinyl were carried over to CDs. I have found mechanical isolation of my CD player has a big impact on the sound quality just like with my turntable. CDs are really a hybrid- half analog and half digital. So my point is that HD Digital downloading has the potential to one day give the masses the same level of quality as the master recording. For that, I am excited about it's potential. Sure, it will highlight bad recordings and bad mastering just like actors and newscasters had to adjust to the higher detail and resolution of HDTV; but eventually I think HD Digital promises to bring us to a new level of hifi.
Petepappp, in order to get where I am as an "audiophile", I had to spend years in an analytical mode, as opposed to simply enjoying the music. Now that I've reverted back to that "analytical" mode I'm going to stick with it until I've completed my mission; that is with your help as well as others.
Although there is a difference, it's not enough to pay for unless you're replacing one of your beloved scratched records. I'm not using these "downloads" for new music, but for records I already have. For me, the advantage is the improvement in sonics that would require the most expensive analog gear. Strictly for my purposes, if one already has the most expensive analog gear, there would be no need for the downloads. When a person can get excited over a record they've heard a "bazillion times", that speaks for itself in regard to how good 88KHZ/24 Bit is. The bottom line is still the music, after all is said and done.
Orpheus 10, one reason, assuming the same source, could be the quality of the blank cd. I can hear a difference between different cds just like tape. The amount of gain could be a factor. Still alot of variables in a digital recording. Its a good question for a recording engineer. The playback circuit is different too. Your digital download is not being read by a laser.
Petepappp, that was my favorite cassette tape too.
A strange discovery; why would a Download be better than a CD when both were the same technically in regard to 44.1KHZ/16 Bit? Maybe master tape access, I don't have an answer.
Analog always had its limitations too, the biggest one, and consistent for a half century that I know of,is the industry's absolute lack of caring about the quality of the product they put out. After the death of the 8 track format, fortuneately in my opinion, casettes became the standard for car music. I recorded vinyl, like many of us, so I had cassetes for my vehicles. It was fairly simple to use the best quality tapes you could find, Maxell UDXL II was my favorite, find the loudest passage in the recording and set your VUs to record this at the maximum volume without audible distortion, so the quietest passage would record within the limitations of the media, and completely blow anything the industry was putting out on pre-recorded tapes out of the water. Even worse, they had access to the original master tapes.The same is true today of CDs, there is an audible difference in recording to the generic junk media the industry uses and recording to media that has been designed to maximize audio recordings, like the Taiyo Yuden audio CDs. The difference in cost between the 2 media is less than a dollar per unit. With a few exceptions, the industry just doesn't care about quality and hasn't for a very long time.
Peterayer, analog will never be out of the equation; especially for those of us who value a deep sound stage, wide frequency and dynamic ranges, as well as high definition.
I paid for a 44.1 KHZ/16 bit Download before I noticed what it was, and discovered that it's no better than a CD. "Buyer Beware", don't waste your money on a download that's no better than a CD.
44.1 is the standard sample rate for a CD. The sample rate defines the frequency range of a digital recording, also the amount of time between samples. The bit resolution defines the dynamic range of the sound, therefore you want 24 bits for a Download, as opposed to the CD standard 16 bit.
When comparing a 24 bit file with a 16 bit file you will get smoother high frequencies and more depth to the sound stage. Personally, I want it all, wider frequency range and wider dynamic range; that means 88 KHZ/ 24 Bit or nothing.
I agree Rauliruegas, especially since Itunes is now the biggest marketer of music and high definition is not their focus. I enjoy a great recording but if I limit myself to them, there is a whole lot of music I will miss out on.
Dear Petepappp: ++++++ " I choose to listen to all the formats I can to find the gem recordings " +++++
I'm with you, if we are music lovers " more " than " simple " audiophiles then IMHO we have to listen the different alternatives we have on hand been analog or digital and not only to find out the " gem recordings " but because there are great music ( if not its quality recording. ) that was recorded only in one specific format.
Today I can attest that we can enjoy, as an audiophile person, analog or digital format. The advacement on digital technology today permit to enjoy it in full way as analog.
Most modern recordings are not done to master tape but recorded digitally. Digital recordings are manipulated by the mastering engineer, compressed, expanded, reverb added, certain frequencies manipulated,to try to produce something that is pleasing to the ear, (whose ear?). This doesn't take into account all the equipment, placement, a myriad of other things that are involved in recording and have an effect on the final outcome. The idea that a digital recording is somehow an uncolored picture of a musical event is just false. There are recently done analog recordings that are fantastic and yes way better than their redbook cd counterparts. I have high def digital files that are just not that good. Just because a recording and final product is analog doesn't make it all that either. Personal preference plays a huge role in what we find pleasing. Direct streaming digital 5.6 mhz format recordings are different than PCM 24/96 recordings, but does that mean they are inherently better, I don't think so, its not that simple. I choose to listen to all the formats I can to find the gem recordings that are pleasing to me.
Raul, a funny thing just happened; although you stated you were ignorant on this whole digital subject, you've summed up everything I've discovered after making comparisons for all my waking hours, for the last 10 days; digital is better than records by a hair because of the silent background.
No record or HD Download can be better than the master tape. A recently recorded CD will sound better than music recorded a long time ago on record because of the equipment used to make the master tape. Love it or hate it, that's the way it is. No HD Download of old music, will be better than a recently recorded CD, because of the equipment used to make the master tape. "Analogers" are always comparing music on record that was made a long time ago, to something on CD that was recently recorded, and saying it's better; that's what I call "Psycho-acoustic" hearing, if it's on a record, it's always better.
I'm asking because my latest experiences listening to DVDAs trhough latest DACs/CD player technology is nothing short of astonish, even the LP alternative and beats it in many ways.
As I said I'm ignorant on the whole digital subject if one of you can help that will be appreciated.
Raul, I can't find any difference in reference to your specific question. HD Downloads are direct from master tapes, which could explain the high quality, but technically I don't see any difference between the two since both are 24/192.
As everyone knows, there is no more bias on any forum than on the "analog" forum, which is why I posted digital here. Even with all the bias, those who tried HD Downloads have given them a positive response.
Cartridges have personalities which transcend to the music. DigitaL has no personality, it's totally neutral.
Raul, when you get to the highest echelon of the "high end", you've gone beyond anything, and everything technical that I know of. We've gone into the realm of "pure music", therefore only explanations that relate to music can suffice.
I stated on one of my posts that I heard "nuance" on a Download, that I had been in search of since the early 60's. The CD didn't even come close, my LP was sadly lacking but at least it hinted at this "nuance" I was in search of. Here is something almost no one knows; those "jukeboxes" we fed quarters in the 60's, were "high end", and 45's gave the ultimate results, that's why we couldn't stop feeding them quarters. That's where I heard this nuance I had been in search of, and since rediscovered it on a Download.
After I completed electronics school ages ago, and SS ruled, we debated "audiophiles" who didn't even know ohms law. They gave musical explanations, while we gave "technical" explanations. There was no way their antiquated tube amplifiers could be better than our up to date SS amplifiers, all you had to do was compare the specs of our SS amps to their antiquated tube amps.
I no longer bother with technical explanations to explain anything musical, because as an "audiophile", that's all that's relevant. I've been listening to these HD Downloads since posting this thread, and they only get better. They deliver that intangible aspect of the music which the artist intended to deliver. These intangible aspects involve us emotionally and give great satisfaction, they are why we spend so much on this equipment, and these "intangible" aspects are the absolute bottom line, they're what it's all about.
If I restrict myself to analog recordings only, there is a whole slew of new music I'll be missing out on. There just aren't that many artists putting out new analog recordings. I also find the variety interesting mixing up tape, vinyl and digital in a listening session. It will be interesting to see if Digital source recordings catch on. Going to be tough with current pricing and availability.
Digital can sound totally natural. Digital seems to sound cleaner and clearer than my Analog. I have a feeling of awe sometimes at how great the sound is, at times, with Digital. Still, many of my Analog albums can give me the chills when I play the pressings at realistic levels. I donÂ’t get chills with Digital. That could be just my own bias, but that is what happens.
Dear Orpheus10/friends: I'm a rockie on digital and my ignorance level to high.
I would like to know which the difference in quality performance and why between the HD Down Load alternative against a DVDA disc ( native 24/192 recording. ) played in a normal/universal CD player that came with 32/192 DACs?
Tonywinsc, I am currently using an Audioquest Dragonfly, which is an USB thumb drive. The thumb drive bypasses my laptop's internal music processor to its ESS Sabre DAC. The thumb drive has a female mini jack in the back. Plug the thumb drive into usb port on my laptop, plug a mini to RCA cable into the back of the drive and plug RCAs into preamp. The Dragonfly is $249. With the cable I've got less than $400 in the rig and get very good performance. I also plug my headphones directly into the thumb drive with a mini adaptor. I have no connection to Audioquest, just a solution that works well for me you might want to check out.
Orpheus 10, I don't think our situations are identical. I don't listen to digital. For me it is not a case of this or that. It is only a case of that, ie. analog LPs.
Tonywinc, unlike analog, a cheap USB cable works just fine. A Music Streamer Dac works just fine. You don't have to be rich in order to get into digital, although there is a lot to learn. Fortunately, I know a "geek". This old dog can't, or wont learn new tricks. Your way is the best way, which ever way that is.
I'm waiting because have heard only one HD DAC source. I haven't had the time to research more or find another store to hear other units for comparison. It also gets a bit bewildering figuring out the best way to get from the computer to the preamp. e.g. USB, jitter reduction boxes, firewire, BNC, etc.
Peterayer, your situation is identical to mine. I'm going through my collection and replacing old (scratched) records with HD Downloads. Your use of records and mine might even be the same, this is not a case of this or that, but both.
Tonywinsc, I don't know what you're waiting for? After your wait you'll still be faced with the same options and decisions. With HD you can have Class "A" audio through your computer. This is the same as if you had Class "A" analog gear. That's why I said those who have Class "A" analog gear may not be impressed. In regard to the variations in records, that's not going to change. The HD is going to vary with the record it's copied from.
Orpheus10, I agree that digital is evolving nicely and some of the HD formats are capable of excellent sound reproduction. My point is, for now anyway, there are always other factors involved that effect sound reproduction, such as: experience, skill or personal preferences of the person who makes the recording, person who does the mix down, variations in quality of source, whether its a copy of something pre-recorded or a live event, quality of equipment, microphones, proper mic placement, venue acoustics, etc., and these things are audible in the final product. Digital, in general to me, can be very good at detail but even the high def formats still seem to lack some qualities that analog seems to be better at. I think the different formats just sound different, however subtly, and have their inherent strengths and weaknesses. Under the right circumstances, with a good recording and associated equpiment, they are all capable of excellent music reproduction. Put simply, I have never heard any format digital recording that sounds 100% like analog, because its not. Not necessarily a bad thing to me.
After upgrading some of my old vinyl treasures to what for me was the ultimate, I'm quite satisfied. There just isn't enough new music to go overboard on HD Downloads, and I'm contented with my analog rig.
Let me tell you about something that really made my day. When "Blue Funk", by Ray Charles and Milt Jackson was a 45 on jukeboxes in the early 60's, I heard "nuances" that I hadn't heard since. The 33 1/3 LP didn't quite capture those nuances. Lucky for me HD Downloads had that LP, and although it wasn't 45, it captured those very same "nuances" that I've been in search of for so long.
I just put "Upojenie", by Pat Metheney and Maria Jopek into the CD player. It was recorded in 2008, and it's better than any CD or record that I've got. This CD casts a wide 3D sound stage that breathes, the performers are in the room. The only difference between it and the Downloads is the "jet black background". Digital is not standing still.
The music is reminiscent of "Off Ramp" by Pat, but much more advanced. Anna Maria Jopek, the vocalist, is absolutely fantastic. Although the sonics are as good as it gets, I don't see anything special on the CD. There are so many options that I'm in a music lovers paradise.
Petepappp, I have a 2 track Technics reel to reel, and everything that's recorded sounds better on playback. The sound stage is bigger with more depth and definition. Most people don't believe that. Now the problem is no tape available.
While the qualities of recordings vary from one to the other, these down loads vary with the record, and they are "always" better than whatever particular record they were downloaded from. The last HD Download had "nuance" on a record I hadn't heard since 60.
I think it is easy to get caught up into the x format or source is the best, especially after the time, effort, and money that can be expended to be somewhat satisfied in the final results. I have been enjoying vinyl for about 50 years and have an excellent rig with great table/arm cartridge synergy, but maybe 10% of the pressings I have sound really good. First pressings seem to have a higher percentage of falling into this category. Audiophile remasters seem to be consistently mediocre. I have high res files that sound great and some that are mediocre, even redbook cds that are very good. 15 ips reel to reel masters are consistently the best if you can find them and have the cash to lay out. Even live events are very inconsistent. Hall acoustics, right seat, have good tech rehearsals been performed for the venue, Is the guy on the board setup backstage and asleep at the wheel, (pretty common for rock performances). The point for me is to build the versatility and synergy into my system to take advantage of the gem recordings available, in whatever format they may be. I don't find the format to be the determining factor in my ultimate enjoyment of the music, with the possible exception of a good reel to reel recording. I want to be able to take advantage of all of it.
Smatsui, as an "audiophile" it's understood that you have to do your homework in regard to putting a system together. Forget about "Stereophile" altogether, and you still have to have a very expensive analog system to get sound better than a HD Download. Since only the most special LP's will be downloaded, I will continue to enjoy my analog rig very much, but I have no illusions in regard to HD sounding better than "My" rig.
I can not recommend HD Downloads for anyone who is not a computer "Geek", or doesn't know one. Something went wrong with my HD Downloads, and I was about to go crazy, when I decided to call my "Geek". He said the computer had to be reset. I have no idea why that only affected the HD Downloads. My "Geek" doesn't talk much, I still don't know what was wrong, but he fixed it. If you're not a "Geek", and can't call one, stay away from HD Downloads.
In regard to what I've downloaded, I'm still going "Ga Ga" over the results. That intangible quality that evokes an emotional response to music, is called "soul" by some, and "geist" or spirit by others. It's the life force in the music. I've heard CD's that were totally stripped of that quality, even though they were of the same music. These HD Downloads are 100% intact, and are no different than Class "A" analog. Since my mind will not accept digital amplification, I can understand your inability to accept HD Downloads. Maybe our problems are the same, I've never heard a digital amp, have you heard HD Downloads?
I'll try to address some questions you have. My Download of the MJQ reflects that groups recording quality. While Santana was recorded earlier, it's a much better recording in regard to sonics. That's a variable you will have to determine on a case by case basis. In each case, there is no deviation from the LP. If there was a flaw in the original LP, it will be worse on the Download.
When you're in a high end emporium and hear the difference between Class "A" and Class "B", you will notice that it's a little better, however when you hear the price difference of the components, unless you're rich, you will be quite content to live with Class "B". Class "B" is not inferior as much as it is cheaper. Class "B" is very very good. Whatever you have, if you think it's Class "A", that works for me.
As a user of both hi Res downloads and what would be considered an A rated analog set up, my opinion is that all the absolutes have completely broken down. One can longer say that one format is superior, only that one particular pressing or digital transfer of a specific recording may be better than another. If a digital transfer (or LP) was done from a true mixed master, while the other format was done from an EQ or protection master, then the better source/mastering will probably win. There are plenty of HD downloads and SACD that don't have anything above 22khz when the file is checked on a spectrum analysis. There are plenty of hi res digital cuts that are spectacular.
I will preface this all by saying that digital playback is cheaper than analog, as there is no getting around the physics required to make a first class analog rig.
Then there is also the intangible part of the listening experience. Even though a digital file may have better audiophile characteristics when broken down categorically, there is a certain listen ability and enjoyment when listening to LP's on a top rig. MY point is the digital file can sound better on the audio check marks, but the right LP can create an experience that goes beyond the sporting aspect of hearing instruments portrayed accurately.
Case in point is how good music can sound on a car stereo. My theory is that since itS running off a battery the lack of AC grunge allows it to penetrate the hearing system. I heard the same effect With the battery operated Veloce gear at two different shows.
Would anyone say that the ordinary car stereo is amazing audio wise, no but there is A rightness that makes it enjoyable.
Another factor some people have spoken of is that the LP's precondition the signal for better compatibility with speakers. I can't say I completely understand it, but it is something spoken of. perhaps a more limited dynamic range is helping?
One last thing from the recording world that may shed some insight. All the very top rock recording sessions, the ones done digitally, all have the drums recorded to 24 tracks analog, and that is mixed down to a few digital stems which is taken into the the Protools sessions. Modern recording wisdom says that the dynamics of drums are better recorded analog, then digitized.
i have 5 terabytes of hirez digital and enjoy it daily. i mostly listen to dsd files, but also lots of hirez PCM. i'm listening to it now. i agree that it sounds very very good, and sometimes great. it does have a consistently low noise floor and is clean sounding and noise free.
i have what likely would be considered top level vinyl in my system, as well as maybe B+ too. i've had plenty of B range vinyl in my system recently enough to have a feel for it and how it compares to hirez.
you can make a case for hirez competeing directly with B level vinyl, but it's not a case that works for me. there is a level of musically significant information in vinyl which is simply missing with hirez digital. there is dynamics and articulation in the bass which is not there in high rez. the areas where hirez does have some advantages are not musically significant to me (such as lack of ticks and slight noise). i'll take the deeper musical message of vinyl any day if we are stating preferences.
it's not important that we prefer hirez to vinyl; it's only important that we like it and enjoy it.
i listen to hirez digital mostly for convenience sake or when that is the only form for that particular music. when i'm reading, web-surfing, or too lazy/not in the mood to do vinyl. which for me is about 30%-40% of the time. so it's an important part of my musical menu.
hirez digital sounds great, and it does offer benefits. it is just fine and needs no apologies.
Zd542, if for a moment we can just drop "Stereophile" out of this equation, and designate a particular level of "sonic" quality as class "A", all will become clear. This is something I've only heard at high end emporiums. Once was with all top of the line ARC electronics, and top of the line Thiel speakers, plus room treatment. The sound was visible in the air, you could point to many different spaces where sound emanated from. That was Class "A" sound, and any way you can get it sounds good to me. Class "B" or "B+" is very, very good, if someone thinks it's Class "A", who am I to argue. I have "holographic" sound in my listening "spot", I won't say "room", but from where I sit there's "holographic sound", the speakers are nonexistent. I assume most hardworking audiophile's have the same thing.
When you enjoy your music playing on your system, what difference does Class make?
I like and agree with a lot of what you are saying, but not everything.
"As audiophiles, we are required to learn system compatibility, but that will not replace component quality, and you can not get class "A" sound with Class "B" components, although you can consider whatever sound you're listening to Class "A"."
"but to get into the vaunted realm of Class "A" sonics will require a trip to the bottom of one's pockets, especially since every single solitary component in the chain must be at that same sonic level."
I understand what you are talking about, and that may be the case in some situations, but not always. I've found that in many cases, using B rated or lower components, can yield class A sound. You do say this, and that the reason is good system matching. I agree. My argument is that I think Stereophile just gets it wrong sometimes. Why do they? I really don't know. It could be any number of reasons.
I've had several pieces over the years that were B and C components. Doing my best to get everything sounding as best I could, I compared these components with A rated components. Of course this is all subjective, but in many cases I was able to get A sound out of lesser rated components. Not only that, they often cost far less than their A competition.
The only 2 issues I have with all of this is: 1. Stereophile sometimes miss-rates components. (Definitely not your fault in any way. I only bring it up to suggest not following the ratings too closely. They make mistakes just like any one else.)
2. This is where we may disagree. When you say that you can take a B or C component an do a really good job matching the system so that the overall sound is A, I believe that makes an A rated component. Why wouldn't it? You are absolutely correct in that system matching is the key to everything. I just don't see how you can separate the 2 ideas (system matching and rating). If you can get A sound from a B component using careful matching and setup methods, why wouldn't you rate the component A?
I hope I did a good job explaining my point. If I'm not clear on anything, just post and I'll try to explain it a little better.
Zenblaster, "In my comparison evaluation, I used Santana "Abraxas" as the test LP. Since I've worn out 5 copies of this album, to say I'm familiar with it is an understatement. "Singing Winds And Crying Beasts" is the first cut, it has "tinkly" sounding chimes that test definition on all equipment. After listening to a new LP, I gave it an "A" rating. This meant the HD Download would have to be some kind of fantastic to top the LP."
After wearing out so many LP's, it only took two cuts to tell me something was different, and of course I listen to it all the time now. What ever your intangibles are, I have yet to discover them.
I've had very good experiences with HD Tracks hi-rez downloads. I don't believe Stereophile ratings and like many have already stated, its more important to match the components to get the sound quality you're seeking rather than buying the highest rated Stereophile rated components.
That said, I have a Bricasti M1 USB (the latest version with the improved digital section power supply as of March 2013) that is rated A+ in Stereophile. I also have a fully upgraded Linn LP12 with the Radikal PS, Keel subchassis, Eko SE arm and Akiva MC cartridge. The analog setup cost more than double the cost of Bricasti DAC. The configuration of my LP12 is rated class A and my phono stage, Zesto Andros PS1 is also rated class A.
When I compare an LP to the same HD download, I have always preferred the LP. I've only compared 3-4 albums but each time I preferred the LP. I do like the HD downloads a lot though and I have about 25 24/192 or 24/96 albums. I agree the HD downloads sound great but I still like my LP a smidgen better.
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