No, that was Rip Van Winkle
Has to be said
Hi,
i been reading most sites and the little arguments about this and that about making audio in this case be more pleasent ot better to any individual. and have to say upfront that if "you" believe its better to you than it is in fact true to you and you only. we are just reletive respondants to each other and therefore nature and the universe.
many of the subjects that come up as to improving ones audio system tend to go into little details that may or may not have "real" affects on most of us. and also be provable with phsics,math,medical studies etc.many musicians and many humans can distinguish alot of these aspects. and they are ALL quantifiable and measureable very easilly. from 1800 till today FFT and resonance,sound perfiliration has been well adjustable from the totally acoustic pipe organs to the music halls 100s of years ago with out electronic fixes, and all these new snake oil gagets on the market. many are always big commenters here on this site.
Its totally true you can "fix" and sound wave with free rocks,walls,chambers, etc. so go for it at a cost of zero dollars. and adbandon all these marketing hacks.
Ive been well into sound,RF,Radioation, Electron manulipation, Audio,phsics etc all my life and all my relatives aslso . I dont need to justify my opinions yet am dignified by holding 8 international patents,2 doctrets and my dad with similar fields.
one crazy obvious thing no one even bothers to mention is the way off standard of 440hz shifted 8hz the earths standard resonance. while all the 1000s of years 432hz was based on real natural happenings before electronics. dont you all care everything you listen to is 8hz off tune and therefore wrong, but you will bicker about a few microvolts noise from an ocslittating wire with parallell wire hanging off a standoff. itf too funny to me.
yes all digital except one source tunes their DAC math to 435hz to be more correct to Verdi and other great composers.
ive got tuning forks over the audio and above spectrum and tune my panios violins etc to them 432 hz
and need to say again. yes please do everything Analoge
to correct your sound system, its been done in churches,music halls,the great pyrmids, with instruments themselves.
but do not chase the rabbit down the money hole to fix apparent physhoacoustics in your listening area.
ps the spelling and writing is horrid cause ive got a brain injury2 years ago and under go EEG,ehthesographs and neuro studies constantly. where various frequency sweeps are put thru me and studied by the medical and commercial fields.
Im off for now to play my bass thru 50000watts total. and resonate the neighborhood at 8.2 HZ....
i been reading most sites and the little arguments about this and that about making audio in this case be more pleasent ot better to any individual. and have to say upfront that if "you" believe its better to you than it is in fact true to you and you only. we are just reletive respondants to each other and therefore nature and the universe.
many of the subjects that come up as to improving ones audio system tend to go into little details that may or may not have "real" affects on most of us. and also be provable with phsics,math,medical studies etc.many musicians and many humans can distinguish alot of these aspects. and they are ALL quantifiable and measureable very easilly. from 1800 till today FFT and resonance,sound perfiliration has been well adjustable from the totally acoustic pipe organs to the music halls 100s of years ago with out electronic fixes, and all these new snake oil gagets on the market. many are always big commenters here on this site.
Its totally true you can "fix" and sound wave with free rocks,walls,chambers, etc. so go for it at a cost of zero dollars. and adbandon all these marketing hacks.
Ive been well into sound,RF,Radioation, Electron manulipation, Audio,phsics etc all my life and all my relatives aslso . I dont need to justify my opinions yet am dignified by holding 8 international patents,2 doctrets and my dad with similar fields.
one crazy obvious thing no one even bothers to mention is the way off standard of 440hz shifted 8hz the earths standard resonance. while all the 1000s of years 432hz was based on real natural happenings before electronics. dont you all care everything you listen to is 8hz off tune and therefore wrong, but you will bicker about a few microvolts noise from an ocslittating wire with parallell wire hanging off a standoff. itf too funny to me.
yes all digital except one source tunes their DAC math to 435hz to be more correct to Verdi and other great composers.
ive got tuning forks over the audio and above spectrum and tune my panios violins etc to them 432 hz
and need to say again. yes please do everything Analoge
to correct your sound system, its been done in churches,music halls,the great pyrmids, with instruments themselves.
but do not chase the rabbit down the money hole to fix apparent physhoacoustics in your listening area.
ps the spelling and writing is horrid cause ive got a brain injury2 years ago and under go EEG,ehthesographs and neuro studies constantly. where various frequency sweeps are put thru me and studied by the medical and commercial fields.
Im off for now to play my bass thru 50000watts total. and resonate the neighborhood at 8.2 HZ....
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hi i got to put in here that a very cheap and basic tweek is add some decent capicators on the end on the longest loaded lines in the home ie the ones with motors or switching supplys online. plugg in with acheap ac plug an ac motor run cap 440v 220uf and iun parrallell a .22 mfd cap of the protection type for the high freq. thid will offset any inhouse induced emf and online emf from the 1 -10khz switching ps on the incomming line.. no need to buy some $10000 power regenerators.. can be seen on any decent scope connected to the ac line |
hemigreg OP geoffkait: "wavelength of 25,000 miles found in the “trough” between the surface of the earth and the ionosphere, has nothing whatsoever to do with acoustic frequencies. " yes maybe not acoustic but influence all other freeqs passing thru such non vacuum density.. and not really relevant again just an example of over whelming effect vs the power breaker chip label...LOL i see some use. tha air density ,particle contect,o2 concemtration,temp, amd more directly effect the acoustic wave to the ear and can be shown at any given time by calc acoustic impeadance. thats why systems sound so different at different seasons, day/night, altitudes etc. >>>>>Audiophiles have been using Schumann very low frequency (7.83 Hz) generators lo these fifteen years to produce an electromagnetic wave in the room, improving the sound. While it’s not clear how the sound is improved there are several theories. All the world loves a mystery, no? It can be shown, separately, that the sound changes day to day, hour to hour, month to month, etc. primarily because of (1) the variation in RFI/EMI strength. I.e., Extremely High Frequency electromagnetic radiation, (2) traffic conditions, (3) changes via weather to the electrical AC grid, as well as other factors, many of which are perhaps beyond scope. E.g., changes one makes the the system (whether he remembers making them or not), the number of cellphones in the house at a given time, the number of appliances running at a given time, the amount of old newspapers, magazines, books, lying around at a given time, etc. |
"...for example you said this recently which shows you don’t know the difference between voltage and frequency...I think she/he meant "The AC supply is of whatever voltage and is at 60Hz". Focusing on frequency and taking voltage at face value. I may be wrong, but that is how it seemed to me when reading. It did not seem like an error. |
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"wavelength of 25,000 miles found in the “trough” between the surface of the earth and the ionosphere, has nothing whatsoever to do with acoustic frequencies. " yes maybe not acoustic but influence all other freeqs passing thru such non vacuum density.. and not really relevant again just an example of over whelming effect vs the power breaker chip label...LOL i see some use. tha air density ,particle contect,o2 concemtration,temp, amd more directly effect the acoustic wave to the ear and can be shown at any given time by calc acoustic impeadance. thats why systems sound so different at different seasons, day/night, altitudes etc. |
there is some decent science as to the 432 freq qnd the brains response. and a stastical signifient portion of the tested population responds better to it.. I really believe that the fact is that its lowr so thats better since the brains restful state is but a few HZ as seen in any normal EEG. i would post mine cept we cant insert pics. look thru the 16 cross skull waves and like 10hz is rest,peace,sleep. a medical fact. so let me re apply my theory that lower is better no matter what freq.?????? as for me personally low 5 string bass or the organ in the 20s does it for me. not that the hight dont stimiluate me but low low bass puts me to rest. |
yes my opinion as govt is a loose interpetation. i mean like i said it was not much musicians,composers and the like. the stuff was written as 432 then and the note A was so, idont mean to debunk or not, im just stating the fact that the music standard has changed over the years and no stereo system tweeek will fix its basic misinterpetation. wheather you like it or not is not relevant to the off tune then and now of an A note on any instrument. do some harmonic phase FFTs in you listening and tune to that not someones"opinion" of whats correct--- and that doesent cost anything cept time and a good calculator. like all the good concert halls were done . iv done lincoln center and radio city in college and they are on point. |
The Earth’s natural resonance, the one that is 7.8 Hz is the electromagnetic wave of wavelength of 25,000 miles found in the “trough” between the surface of the earth and the ionosphere, has nothing whatsoever to do with acoustic frequencies. If you wish to discuss Earth’s crust mechanical resonance, that is a separate issue, the seismic (mechanical) vibrations that have a peak in the vicinity of 1-3 Hz. Talk amongst yourselves. Smoke if ya got em. |
hemigreg, I attempted to read most of this thread (Not easy given all the product shilling and the cries for attention). I cannot agree with you that 440Hz being a factor of "government" as pitches were at 440 or higher consistently in the 1800's well before governments got involved. https://www.nature.com/articles/021550a0.pdf Virtually every argument for 432 can be easily debunked and most of them are junk science, erroneous data, or leaps of faith conclusions. You appear to be a man of science so I think best to look at the science behind all these 432Hz claims. Most are highly questionable. |
hi geo the natural freq is such cause most things developed in the "old" times was "naturally" derived without readilly adjusting stuff. you know like most natural things are dual sided or paired atoms and because of the earth and ionasphere size/mass and charged field the resonance is approx 8hz. it can be easilly calculated but just measure it easier. thays why sinewave sound is paired positive and neg amplitudes. to be very basic. you got to have one to have the other when in nature. hint also do chemical reaction balance equations same stuff ideally. the shift upwards came from people trying to make it easier to achieve standards across the world and several others were used. they are not calcus based decisions but more politically driven i guess. i wasnt there. making those tuning forks was a bear. i know cause i made one in metal shop in jr high and broke a few mill cutters when they began to resonate. so it seems the 7.--- appx 8hz settelrd on was by then unisversally reasonable ans set. yes it could have been 434 or whatever but that didnt jive with 3-5 govts opinions to what was good... these things were not apparently done by the music/science community as should have been done. im hot a historian but would like someone to educate us in the details, not a bunch of wikki or google stuff, real doctorate level reascearch hey do we really ever have voltage without more than zero current flowing hence an induced field.???? its then a voltage potential and becomes HZ as it starts to move. |
audiozenology"The strengths of someone’s convictions are a poor indicator of the strength of their argument or position and only an indicator of the strength of their beliefs" yes I know for example you said this recently which shows you don’t know the difference between voltage and frequency and yet you insist that you are right that is why I encourage you to borrow or buy a basic textbook in electricity! audiozenology"The AC supply is a voltage at 60Hz. |
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If I’m reading between the lines correctly there’s a widening schism between advanced audiophiles and Pro Audio proponents. As for the sacred Laws of Physics, I broke three of them today and it’s not even dinner time. Just when we thought we shook the ghost of the bullet headed guy from Audio Review he comes roaring back with a vengeance. 👻 |
well thats the point,,, just dont get caught up in all sorts of eseroteric fixes and $$$. do all reasonable stuff and it will get you as close as it can..... All yes all electronic/mechanical room gimicks are only approximations at best. as you said even the ear in the same room with the actual instrument is offset by something naturally dictated by physics. except electronically originated signals such as a synth. |
I can't hear myself playing from the listening position unless it is amplified :-) I get where you are coming from.....I think. These "changes" mainly enable mental gymnastics. Unless you have heard that exact performance in that exact room, you have no idea what it really is supposed to sound like, and even then, you will forget quickly. So what do you suggest to get us closer to the live performance? |
whilst these posts are great for debating and sneeking in sales pitches. the ops (me) point was.... so many people are way to burried in details that on paper will make a calculatable difference yet show no stasticial signifient "human" influence to the change. there have a few great comments relevant to this. its not metaphysical or magic. yet most of the beliefs are in fact more the brains adjustment to its enviroment . but the point is there Huge differences in the present music systems that are not even looked at seriously that make what you hear as wrong compared to the original live signals produced.. and please we need some true musicians to get in on it. but they probably wint cause the "electronics" reproduced sounds are sooo bad no matter what gimic is used. |
thecarpathian thecarpathian Please clarify. If not all electromagnetic waves are not photons, what else are they comprised of? Because from my understanding, sound waves are mechanical waves, not electromagnetic, and all electromagnetic waves are comprised of photons. If x rays and gamma rays are not comprised of photons, what are they? >>>>>I’m afraid sailboat ⛵️ sailed off into the sunset 🌅 |
I understand less than 1/4 of the science here, Have a couple of observations: Steve Deckert of Decware has a paper on this topic-go to the website, go to papers-I think it's called: "What is sound?" In a music store a couple of months ago ,I saw a guitar tuner, I think the brand was "Snarky" the hook was "Tune to where you want it"-not standard tuning-if nobody cared about this stuff, who would buy one? I know some of you are musicians. I don't know about anyone else, but I would pay $10-15 to purchase CD or cassette tape recorded at 432 & 440 to see if I hear the difference. Unfortunately, that still won't address the more metaphysical/spiritual question of if we were instructed to "make a joyful noise", does 8 Hz sharp make it other than joyful? |
audiozenology From what I can tell sailboat, this was giving too much credit and I doubt the same credit will be returned to you, but I admire trying to bring real science and not a convenient pop interpretation to the table. Geoffkait.. often I agree with your posts. But this one is simply NOT TRUE. All electromagnetic waves are not photos. All photons are electromagnetic waves... but all electromagnetic waves are not photos. >>>>>A Cargo Cultist newbie rushes in where angels fear to tread. 😇 Anyone notice they generally post a whole lot before they flame 🔥 out? Is some right wing skeptics organization sending in a tag team? 🤼♂️ |
Please clarify. If not all electromagnetic waves are not photons, what else are they comprised of? Because from my understanding, sound waves are mechanical waves, not electromagnetic, and all electromagnetic waves are comprised of photons. If x rays and gamma rays are not comprised of photons, what are they? |
From what I can tell sailboat, this was giving too much credit and I doubt the same credit will be returned to you, but I admire trying to bring real science and not a convenient pop interpretation to the table. Geoffkait.. often I agree with your posts. But this one is simply NOT TRUE. All electromagnetic waves are not photos. All photons are electromagnetic waves... but all electromagnetic waves are not photos. |
hemigreg OP now that he brought signal and wires, why dont you guys run all Balanced interconnects which are the standard for professional and important signal wiring???? their performance is magnatudes above any unbalanced coax or eseroteric interconnect... you know like Xlr. the noise cancelling is crazy good as comparison. and any real good equipt uses it if not as main an option. >>>>>There it is! I knew it wouldn’t be too long before the word professional raised its ugly head. Next up, why professionals prefer controlled double blind tests. Watch this space. 👀 |
now that he brought signal and wires, why dont you guys run all Balanced interconnects which are the standard for professional and important signal wiring???? their performance is magnatudes above any unbalanced coax or eseroteric interconnect... you know like Xlr. the noise cancelling is crazy good as comparison. and any real good equipt uses it if not as main an option. |
hemigreg OP Maybe you should remember everything you have learned and apply as necessary to everything as you quoted someone "everything effects everythjing" >>>>>Good comeback! 🙄 |
"if you mean blowing up diesel trains during WW II I am not sure many trains would be blown up."Why not just blow up the tracks? the germans were using diesel on the "secret" hauls to eliminate the obvious plume from steam seen and easy of control. blowing up the tracks would not elinimate the precious cargo of munitions. |
Hi sailboat you sound like my kinda guy. im glad someone else with the "proper" backround is chiming in. I but just like me you read most and laugh at the crazy stuff but had to say something. my backround is in major stuff like you, im retired and pass on info to the masses if they will listen. as you see this has turned as do all into sales peddeling their wares. perhaps you can steer them all about transmission of audio thru wires and the nonsense that goes on here about brekin, signal direction and the like and how in audio freqs there is NO sig. effects. thankyou from another mad scientists ps one of my late cusins worked in the early 50s on the western electric first undersea phone cable and matrixing many signals into one conductor. |
