Can anyone name four other DVD players? The reason why not is simply that
1. what everyone said
2. nomenclature and upgradesĀ
Oppo doesn't upgrade like crazy.
Can you imagine how many Sony DVD players there have been out there (plus the Sony's are generally way way worse) or LG? My gosh. Who could keep track?
Oppo makes it simple.
the 83 was the first one that really captivated me, but the 85 was the one with a better DAC and better audio out. the 83 already beat my Rega Planet 2000 AND a nameless LG blu ray player. the 85 was way better.
the 93/95 is an upgrade over both
the 103/105 may be an upgrade as well, with a headphone amp that I'd never use, and a DAC interface to one's music library. I didn't buy it as it didn't offer enough to me.
Frankly, I've been looking for a 4K capable Oppo with better audio than the 95 and they just don't make it yet. That in itself is kind of incredible, and I don't really blame them. Wait until the technology is ready.
That's it! I guess there's a new one, but it's just got upgraded video so they didn't even rename it.
It's pretty smart actually. Keep your model line to a minimum, don't release garbage to seem like there's always something new.
Anyway, it sounds like you want one. Go ahead, pull the trigger. ;) |
Ak247
As you said the BDP-105 is a different animal..a generation newer and a model higher + modified. I have no doubt its an excellent performer I was just relating my experience with the BDP93 which is also generally very well regarded. I agree, I owned the BDP-93 and BDP-95 before the current model and each were excellent. Some listeners may even prefer the BDP-95 sound to the current version, although image improvements are easier to agree upon. All of these Oppo models offer good performance to cost ratio. I have a fairly high end system where digital is not primary source. I respect Oppo for delivering good solid performance and lots of side benefits for low cost. I've had digital in my system up to near $100K and while they were far superior they still did not match my master tape or turntable. I guess what I'm saying is I prefer digital that costs $1299.00 and gets beat by my other sources than digital that cost $100K and gets beat by my other sources. That's where my deep respect for Oppo comes from. That being said I have two more DACs coming soon to audition. Hoping for that magic combination of great sound that justifies the cost. |
As you said the BDP-105 is a different animal..a generation newer and a model higher + modified. I have no doubt its an excellent performer I was just relating my experience with the BDP93 which is also generally very well regarded. |
As you said the BDP-105 is a different animal..a generation newer and a model higher + modified. I have no doubt its an excellent performer I was just relating my experience with the BDP93 which is also generally very well regarded. |
Late in the game here but I have owned BDP93 for over a year and I agree its a well built machine and has been reliable but sound quality wise...nothing special when using its own DAC Two things, the Oppo BDP-105 is better than the 93 and second, the Oppo BDP-105 Darbee as a complete package offers a lot for the price. Oppo BDP-105 Darbee plays all formats including SACD and the USB input in back can decode DSD and double DSD from computer files. Video wise nothing to complain about but nothing special either compared to your run of the mill blu ray player. Oppo with Netflix uses twin Sabre DAC to improve sound and the Darbee processing cleans up the images and the Blue Ray is exceptional as well as ability to upsample to 4K. Look at tests posted on the internet, the frame rate flags, contrast, noise and other specifications exceed just about everything out there regardless of price. I previously owned a Pioneer Elite and no question the Oppo is better. I can't cover everything, and no doubt there are products that do as well or better in one or more specific areas, but how many do everything the Oppo BDP-105 Darbee does for that price? |
Late in the game here but I have owned BDP93 for over a year and I agree its a well built machine and has been reliable but sound quality wise...nothing special when using its own DAC...my 20 year old Technics SLPS840 shows it up handily. Video wise nothing to complain about but nothing special either compared to your run of the mill blu ray player. The fact its a universal player is nice but it has been over hyped in my opinion. I am not a fan of the UI either...but that again is personal preference. |
For those that envision putting all of their blu rays on a server at full (or any) resolution... note that the US just shut down the company DVDFAB for selling software that violates US copywrite... Their competitor has not been shut down .... yet. DVDFAB is based in China and is fighting back... So... stay tuned... You need to break the DRM lock to put the blu ray movie on a hard disk. So... the battle continues. |
I am in the middle of a rebuild of my system and the only thing I have bought so far is a DVD player and yes I went with the Oppo. I like it so far for playing movies. Will let you know when I have my system set up how it does playing DVD audio and super audio Cd's |
Avgoround - just pull the trigger. :)
Seems like you'll get all the help you need. |
Hi Avgoround,
If you already have a hi-speed home internet wi-fi network, then just let me know via pm when you get your Oppo, laptop or tablet, J River Media Center software, NAS and backup drives and I'll walk you through it.
Once you 'rip' your audio and video disks to the NAS, you'll be diskless and you can store them away.
Tim |
Nobel00(tim?),
Thank you for your input and response! I may indeed require your assistance, and perhaps we can work something out in the near future???
Again, just to sum, my main goal is to ultimately end up with something like the Kaleidascape servers, where I can store all my bluray titles (without having to keep the original hard discs, ultimately - which I heard some of those units can do, regardless of copyright issues), all my cd's/SACD's, and play through the one server. And, if I can do this through my PC instead, probably even better (playing out to my AV pre-amp processor ultimately).
Also, Wifi and streaming is desired, to do Netflix, and online content, hi-rez audio, and so on.
Now if the Oppo helps make all of that attainable, then I'm definitely interested.
I think, at this moment, above all else (keeping as much integrity of high end video and sound reproduction as possible), I would like to get away from the discs! -conveniently storing/buring everything onto hard-disc, and using digital server, yes. I think we're at that age where this should be where it's at for everyone. I know the Discss are going away, and would ultimately like to ditch my collection, and just do backups.
Any help, as always, appreciated...with or without the Oppo. |
Avgoround,
You stated: "here's all im interested in, if it means needing to get ANY Oppo: One, I need to know if its possible to burn my bluray discs onto some hard drive, bit for bit (no loss of audio/video rez), and stream them through the Oppo? Ultimately, I want to get rid of all my Discs (going away anyway...let's be honest) and store them as exact copies, just like I heard some of the Kaleidascapes can do.
If the oppo simply is used as a player for my discs, Im less enthused. I'm sure it plays marginally better than standard $150 Bluray players for sound and vid, but im guessing that has much MUCH more to do with how well my projector and setup is calibrated and engineered, as well as the integrity of my audio system."
I am not currently using my NAS to store and playback video files wirelessly in combination with the Oppo. As I stated before, I am doing this with my entire CD collection and several 24bit/96khz hi-res downloaded music files.
However, it's my understanding that doing the same with video files is also possible with my current setup and I'll probably do this in the near future. My only reluctance is the increased storage usage of video files compared to audio files.
If you come to your senses and buy an Oppo, I think you can be doing the same if you want. I was unsure how to accomplish this at first, so I did a lot of online reading and research on computer audio (www.sounstream.com and www.computeraudiophile.com are 2 good sources of info). I also started a few threads here on Audiogon in the 'Digital' section of the Forums when I wanted questions answered and several fellow members were very helpful.
I now am very glad I did and have enough knowledge and experience to beconfident giving advice, especially with utilizing the Oppo in their setup.
If you're interested in setting up your own computer audio/video system, I'd be glad to assist you if you'd like. Just let me know.
To help you decide, I'll list some requirements you'll need to get started along with prices I paid for them:
1. Home wi-fi system with router that has an R-45 ethernet port(about $30 plus per month in most areas). The higher your internet speed the better but more speed= more $$.
2. Digital Media Renderer and Digital Media Player(DMR, DMP). The Oppo 103($499) and 105($1,199) serve as both providing the same high video quality but the 105 providing better audio quality. Each has a wireless USB dongle included for wireless streaming. Some will say you need to hardwire for best audio/video quality but I found this not to be true for me, at least for audio. I have no signal 'dropouts' and wireless and wired sounded identical on my system.
3. Digital Media Controller(DMC). I used my existing laptop but you could use a desktop or even a tablet. Im not sure of current costs on these.
4. Media center software. There are several options and I found J River Media Center($49) works very well for audio and handles video also but I have not used this capacity yet.
5. Network Attached Storage (NAS) which is the main storage device for all your video and audio files. The NAS is connected to your home wi-fi system via the router using an Ethernet cable with R45 connectors. There are several options with single or multiple bays for various sized hard drives bought separately. I bought a Synology R112j single-bay NAS for $150 and a 2 Terabyte(2 TB) hard drive for $89. Many recommend the use of a multiple bay NAS with multiple hard drives that basically mirror each other and, in case of hd failure, a remaining good drive takes over automatically so there's no down time. This is called a RAID system and the NAS itself is more expensive plus there's the extra cost of multiple hard drives.
I love my music but, in case of hard drive failure, I can get by without it for a short time while I replace the bad hard drive and reload my music files from my backup drive. I think RAID systems are unnecessarily complex and expensive but the choice is yours. I would definitely use a RAID if I was using it for a business but not my A/V files.
6. Backup hard drive. Hard drives do fail and you will need a system to guard against losing your files permanently. You'll therefore require an additional hd to consistently and frequently backup files to that is the same size or larger than your NAS drive. I use a Seagate Backup Plus 2 TB that I bought for $94. The unit is attached to the NAS via a USB cable and is programmed to backup all my files automatically every night while I'm sleeping.
7. Hard drive for NAS. HDs come in various sizes up to about 8 TB and the size you buy depends on how many a/v files you want to store, with prices increasing as size increases. I bought a Seagate Barracuda 2 TB hd for $89 but there are many options. Mine is a regular mechanical, spinning disc hd but there are also newer solid-state hds that are faster, quieter and also more expensive.
Once I had the Oppo, and since I already had a laptop and Wi-Fi with router, I was able to add computer audio to my system for a total cost of just $400. I cannot overstate how versatile and important the Oppo 105 was in attaining my excellent results. All the bluray and other discs it will play, and it taking over as my preamp and 5.1 surround processor and DAC, are just additional advantages.
Ultimately, of course, it's your choice. But, if you do buy one, I'm willing to assist you as much as I can with setup.
I'm no expert yet, but may be soon.
Tim
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Both our 95 and 105 stream Netflix (and several other services we haven't used) from our WiFi network, and the 105 can take high quality stereo from sources like HD Tracks from our Mac Mini via its asynchronous USB port. The 105 also provides superior analog for our DirecTV HD-DVR via an HDMI connection. So even if it doesn't play a single disc, the 105 earns its keep, but, of course, it plays many kinds of discs very well. They also function as processors in our setups, with Velodyne SMS-1s providing ARC in the critical sub range.
db |
here's all im interested in, if it means needing to get ANY Oppo: One, I need to know if its possible to burn my bluray discs onto some hard drive, bit for bit (no loss of audio/video rez), and stream them through the Oppo? Ultimately, I want to get rid of all my Discs (going away anyway...let's be honest) and store them as exact copies, just like I heard some of the Kaleidascapes can do.
If the oppo simply is used as a player for my discs, Im less enthused. I'm sure it plays marginally better than standard $150 Bluray players for sound and vid, but im guessing that has much MUCH more to do with how well my projector and setup is calibrated and engineered, as well as the integrity of my audio system.
Again, if anyone can convince me of all the "goodness" that the Oppo can do to transform my digital AV life (i.e, store or stream media and arrange all my titles like a server, do wifi to my Netflix, even somehow -not sure how it can do this - stream my bluray titles from some stored hard drive (really??!), etc, then im definitely on board. Otherwise, if it's just down to better supposed sound and vid from my disc collection and SACD or two, which I own, then Im probably no so interested. Thx for anyone clarifying |
Hi Albert,
Interesting about the DSD performance. Knowing Oppo, though, there will be incremental improvements with every new model, usually with software updates for previous models. Recording methods may also spur near future improvements in sq performance.
I'm really enjoying music files recorded and played back at 24 bit/96khz, with the critical ingredient seeming to be the recording at 24/96. Rereleasing CD quality recordings on 24/96 is still 16/44.1 sound contained within a bigger file; I cannot discern any sonic improvements.
However, I can clearly notice the reduced noise floor, resulting increase in details and greater dynamic range on 24/96 recordings when compared to CD redbook.
If I can find enough music I enjoy recorded at 24/96, I may need to increase my 2 TB system to one closer to your storage capacity.
I've also had a hard time differentiating sq between 24/96 WAV and FLAC files. But that's allright, since I'm able to get very high resolution AND use less hard drive space for the files, too.
Enjoy,
Tim |
According this review, the Mcintosh is back http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/hardware/mcintosh-mvp891-audio-video-player-review.html |
Tim,
You state with richer detail what I posted here April 22, 2013 and yesterday (nearly a year later :^) about my Oppo BDP-105.
Obviously I agree with you, I'm a big fan of it's performance to cost ratio. A lot of digital has passed through my system and the Oppo holds up pretty well against premium solutions.
I've heard digital that was clearly better (one was much better) but the cost ratio was 10 times more with one and nearly 70 times more for the other.
Like you I own a DVD and Blue Ray library and the Oppo BDP-105 provides the best image I've ever had.
For CDs it does well and the USB input allows decoding of my 6.2 TB of music files via Mac Mini and JRiver.
The reason I ordered the 105 Darbee is image quality and DSD processing. A respected friend told me the Oppo DSD processing of may not provide superior results to regular high resolution sound. If true, no big loss. The Darbee is a $100.00 upgrade.
Don't laugh but I'm eager to see if downloaded and streaming movies render better with the Darbee system. If so that would be an unexpected bonus. |
Noble100, thanks. Sooooo which one does all this streaming and wifi downloading, and server and such??? Is it the 105? Otherwise, which of all of these should I look for that does what I want? Also, what would I expect to pay for one, used? Can only get new on these, likely?? What's the deal-io, yo?!
Yes, Im probably interested now.
Thx...guess im a Born Again convert again.
Oh wait! So really, the 4K upscaling isn't really all that important, say, hooked up to my JVC Eshift projector choice? I mean the JVC is kinda scaling already, yes?? Thx |
Albert,
I see you're already familiar with the outstanding performance of the Oppo 105 and have ordered another, adding the Darbee.
I've been on Audiogon for awhile and have always noticed that you have had very nice systems with excellent equipment and speakers. Your decision to incorporate the Oppo-105 into your own system just confirms its excellence.
No, it's not perfect, but it's a great performer in my system. I can honestly say that I consider my 105 the best system upgrade I've ever made in my system.
I replaced an older Sony universal DVD with the Oppo and I'm gradually taking advantage of all its functionality:
1. CD playback improved from good to excellent. I decided to go direct from the 105 to my ClassD Audio 440CS amp via xlr cables and bypass my VTL 2.5 tube preamp. I thought I would miss the very good combo of a tubed preamp with a class D amp for CD music playback. I found that the Oppo, with its very good Saber dacs and analog audio stages, delivered just as sweet a sound but with a quieter background and increased detail.
2. Directv satellite hdtv even looks better on my plasma hdtv. I run an HDMI cable from the small 'client' satellite box to the Oppo's HDMI input and then another from the Oppo's video output to my hdtv's HDMI input. This allows the video signal to take advantage of the Oppo's very good built-in QDEO video processor. The result is excellent picture quality on all HD channels.
3. Surround sound decoding is also handled internally by the Oppo 105. I found I no longer needed my older Parasound AV2500 preamp/processor for decoding duties for my 5.1 HT system
4. Bluray playback not only has DVD pq beat by a mile, but the newer surround sound codecs also has DVD sq beat by a mile.
5. High-Resolution music downloads are able to be played back utilizing the 105's ability to be a DMR and DMP(Digital Media Renderer and Digital Media Player). I now have all my CDs'ripped' as digital media files on my Synology NAS(Network Attached Storage) and playback is controlled via my laptop running JRMC(J River Media Center)software. The 105 is able to receive the digital stream the NAS sends to it wirelessly via its included wi-fi receiver dongle.
I have also downloaded a few hi-res 24 bit/ 96khz music files (Miles Davis-"Kind of Blue" and Carmen Gomes- "1,000 Shades of Blue") to my NAS. They both sound stunningly good with that 'in the room' quality that sounds so right.
There are a few Oppo 105 capabilities I have yet to explore such as 24bit/192khz and DSD music downloads.
I'll be testing these out soon but, in the meantime, I am thrilled with the performance of the Oppo-105 and my system has never sounded better.
FWIW,
Tim |
I have the new Oppo BDP-105 Darbee edition on order. There was a short wait as they were sold out.
I think the success of this product is without question and this new version offers superior image quality plus ability to process DSD from a music server via USB.
Is it perfect?
Hardly, but what other player offers this kind of price / performance ratio? My current Oppo 105 sounds good, this new one is better. |
Avgoround, seems Tim (especially) and others have pretty much answered all your objections. Go on. Just buy the Oppo. And, if you don't like/need it, maybe PM me as I might pick it up from. |
Avgoround,
Yes, the Oppo can do all the things you listed but it can also play downloaded music files that have much better fidelity and a wider dynamic range than CDs. And the Oppo will receive and playback music files sent wirelessly to it from the hard drive. I know, it all sounds too fantastic to be true, but it happens in my house everyday.
'In my house', just like the singers and musicians seem to be when I play those hi-resolution files back through that awesome Oppo in my system.
Just buy one, Av, you've resisted long enough. |
Wait, wwaaaaiiit! You mean I can stream bluray movies, cd's, and super audio discs, which are stored on my hardrives, through the Oppo, and use it as a server - kinda like the Kaleidascape servers???? - Where I can organize tittles (complete with graphic logos and content listings of the movie/cds?), and play everything on the menu stored on hardrives!???
Just want to make sure I understand Nobel100's comments on the 105. |
One of the best marketing threads that I've seen. Avgoround: Congrats. on initiating such a positive discussion of Oppo! Whether it was your intent or not, the result has, I'm sure, pleased Oppo's "Mad Men".....! |
Still with my v1 XDS as well. Wish they'd get multi channel support and USB supported :( |
Yep, I'm settled now with my EMM XDS1 after Accuphase, the
modwright Sony 5400ES, and the early Playback Designs.
I have the original XDS1, not the v2.
Someone here said that he was always amazed by the reach of
the EMM sound, and that description stuck with me and that's
exactly what I hear. I migrated from the early EMM (even with
the modded Phillips SACD1000 transport) to the cdsd/dcc2 to
the CDSA (upgraded) along the way. |
The EMM is stunning, Rgs2. Did you upgrade to the XDS1 v2? |
Thanks Noble100, Dbphd, and Mcbuddah for all that info, way more than I expected. OK, I am getting the 105D and will place it as an input to my (tubed) preamp/headphone amp (Apex Pinnacle) and see what happens with my DVDs.
I use high end headphones and speakers.
I have a habit of watching live concert (standard-def) DVDs from the past like Midnight Special and 1960s-80s live music performances that are mainly not available on CD. I will experiment with things and see what happens.
I still think I'll keep my EMM cdp for CD though.
I also intend to try running a digital output from the Oppo to the DAC of my EMM just to see how it sounds.
Thanks again for all your help. |
Rgs92,
Yes & no. In my setup analog stereo from an Oppo 105 goes through a Parasound JC-2 analog preamp. The Oppo controls the volume when its input is selected; the JC-2 is set to unity gain. Sound quality does not seem degraded. A Sony XA5400ES and JC-3 phono stage share the JC-2 with the Oppo, and when either is selected, the JC-2 controls the volume.
db |
I bought my OPPO 95 two years ago to use exclusively in a headphone system i was setting up. I selected it on-line without audition because it could play SACDs. I already owned a Blue-ray player from Denon that cost twice as much as the OPPO and had no expectation that the OPPO would be nearly as good on videos. I was happy with it at first in this limited role, but I got bored one day and swapped the Denon into the analog system and my new headphone systems and just for kicks, decided to see how close the OPPO could come Blue-rays. I was blown away at the improvements to the picture, especially in terms of its color palette breadth and the level of details. Many subsequent improvements to all three systems only proved to increase the level of superior sound and video from the OPPO. This player really is an overachiever in any role I ask of it, and its extra features have made it an important tool to help me fine-tune my other set-ups. Its versatility allowed me to establish a test of several different connection schemes to get get the best sound in a 7.1 HT. At one point, I had wired it to compare 2 brands of HDMI cable (Ps-Audio I2s and Mapleshade Vividlink) against a Toslink and silver SPDIF connections and a card of RCA's from the analog outputs, all by switching inputs on my receiver remote. This enabled me to answer for myself some of the age old audio questions about what sounds best, where is the best place to decode lossless sound, the receiver or the player, and to discover that Mapleshade's $170. HDMI dances circles around the PS-Audio that cost 14x as much.
While this OPPO model is the only one I have experience with, I a truly delighted with it in every way. I read that the 105 is even better and has even more features yet and some folks are using them to replace the preamp and DAC in their digital media systems. This model is not enough to tempt me to upgrade from the 95, even though the unusually high resale value for it would let me sell it for enough to cover up to 80% of the new one. This is because I probably would not be able to pull the trigger on actually selling it, since i think i really need three of the.
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Rgs92,
"Will the Oppo (105)'s digital volume control work if I connect it via the analog outputs to my preamp if I choose this method?"
Yes, the Oppo's digital volume control will adjust both the 'Dedicated Stereo' balanced and unbalanced outputs as well as all the unbalanced surround analog outputs. I'm not sure what kind of preamp or pre/pro your thinking of using, but the Oppo eliminates the need for both in most cases. I no longer use my 2-ch preamp with ht/passthru and my high quality separate surround preamp/processor since inserting the 105 in my system.
If you let me know what type of preamp, I could tell you if you could do the same.
"Does using this digital volume control detract from the sound quality in anyone's experience?"
The Oppo's digital volume control utilizes 32 bits for that exact reason; not affecting the audio signal. In my 1 month experience with the 105, I can verify that the volume control does not detract from the sq using any input and the Oppo 105's sound quality as a preamp is excellent. I found that when my good sounding VTL preamp was included in my system, it did detract from the sq when compared to removing it and connecting the 105's 'Dedicated Stereo' outputs directly to my main amp via xlr cables.
This was a hard decision since I've loved and enjoyed the sq of my VTL, with nos Mullard tubes, in my system for the past 5+ years. But my goal for my system has always been sq 1st so I made the choice as objectively as possible based solely on sq performance. I'm not actually complaining, though, since I now have better sound and sold my VTL and pre/pro for about the same $ I paid for the Oppo.
If you buy the 105, you'll probably be making a tough decision, too.
FWIW,
Tim
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Will the Oppo (105)'s digital volume control work if I connect it via the analog outputs to my preamp if I choose this method?
Does using this digital volume control detract from the sound quality in anyone's experience?
Thanks.
(It would be nice for me because I have a preamp without a remote, so this would give me a remote volume control.) |
Avgoround,
You sound a little down. My guess is it's just a cyclical thing and you'll get your a/v mojo back soon. I just wanted to respond to a few of your concerns about the Oppo 105:
1. "Let's forget the fact, for the moment, that the Oppo's don't upscale to 4K resolution, and we got new projectors and displays coming out now that DO JUST THAT! (Why would I pay for scaling and processing in the Oppos, when my display is already processing video signals beyond what the oppo can do?)"
If your monitor/projector can support 4k video, the current Oppo 105 can be set to upscale to 4k or it can be set to output 1080i or1080p if you want your projector to do the upscaling.
2. "Then, we get to the near future, where all these players -AND DISCS - go BYE BYE! ..and then we are all at hard-driver storage/media servers anyway.
You can't convince me that we won't all be condensing our disc collections onto Kaleidascape type Terabyte hard-drive units, and servers, pc storage and streaming, etc, anyway, in the not to distant future."
I completely agree with you about the near future reality will be less discs and more downloaded music files of 16 bit/44.1khz or even better 24 bit/96 and 192khz resolution downloads. One of the main reasons I decided to buy the Oppo was exactly for this capability. I'm using the 105 as a DMR/DMP (Digital Media Renderer and Digital Media Player) and wirelessly streaming music from a 2 TB NAS (Network Attached Storage) to the 105. The Oppo receives the wireless signal through its included wireless USB dongle, decodes the digital signal to analog using its excellent saber dacs and outputs the stereo analog l+r signals to my amp via xlr cables. Everything is controlled via JRiver media center software running on my laptop. Ultra convenient and very high sound quality, the future has arrived.
Once I bought the Oppo for $1,219, I was able to take advantage of its computer audio capabilities with a modest $400 outlay for the Synology 2 TB NAS and 2 TB Seagate backup hard drive. My system has never sounded better and I now find myself just concentrating on finding good music for downloading and listening to the music collection I already have.
Yes, I have turned into an Oppo fanboy, but only because the 105 is such a stellar performer at a very reasonable price.
Wihing you the best,
Tim
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Nobel100,
No, didn't buy one, and probably won't, honestly.
Let's forget the fact, for the moment, that the Oppo's don't upscale to 4K resolution, and we got new projectors and displays coming out now that DO JUST THAT! (Why would I pay for scaling and processing in the Oppos, when my display is already processing video signals beyond what the oppo can do?)
Besides all that, I can't imagine getting any serious game changing significantly better picture quality simply by getting an oppo, after tweaking and calibrating my projector, than with a descent Sony for 1/8th of the price, honestly.
Also, right now, my audio system is in a "really don't care so much,at present" mode, which is yet another reason I don't care about hunting down an Oppo.
Then, we get to the near future, where all these players -AND DISCS - go BYE BYE! ..and then we are all at hard-driver storage/media servers anyway.
You can't convince me that we won't all be condensing our disc collections onto Kaleidascape type Terabyte hard-drive units, and servers, pc storage and streaming, etc, anyway, in the not to distant future.
Let me recant my position. I will likely end up with an Oppo by finding some package deal, or Craigslist/Ebay listing, where someone's practically giving it away, or I just happen to end up with one by accident some day!
That is likely the scenario with which I'll end up with one, if ever. Right now, I really just don't care, I guess.
Happy with what I got. But, one things for sure, you will not get me plunking down long green for NEW on one of these bad boys, just cause I gotta have it! Not going to happen.
You all knock yourselves out though. Im sure all your guests will be impressed with you system transforming, world class Oppo in your lineup, no doubt! -and then they'll surely want to go out an by one for themselves, from your enthusiasm alone. Marvelous. The industry changing Oppo legacy marches on. |
Schubert,
I'm generally a tube lover, too. I recall my dad and I pulling tubes from our tv and bringing a bagful to the local Walgreen's for testing back in the 1960s when I was a kid(I'm 55 now).
That's a lot of tubes in your EE Avant pre. My VTL only uses 4 (2 12au7 and 2 12at7) and a complete set of nos Mullards is a fairly reasonable $200 from Upscale Audio. My initial set was $160 in 2006 and lasted over 6 years running 24/7. This confirmed to me that not switching them on/off daily really does reduce wear and extend tube life. I thought this concept was crazy when I first heard it on A'gon in 2005 but it's true. I replaced my tubes for the 1st time in Jan of this year.
I do not want to get into owning a tube tester and agree that Russian tubes are nothing special except for the low prices.
Dbphd,
I need to apologize to you and everyone reading this thread:
I incorrectly attributed my system's dramatic performance gains to the direct connection of the 105 to my amp via xlr cables. I am sorry if anyone was misled by my prior posts,
I believe the true contributors to my gains were the following:
1. The increased performance of the Oppo 105's audio capabilities compared to my previous Sony cd/dvd player's capabilities.
2. The increased performance of a computer audio system(laptop running JRiver media center software, NAS with 'ripped' cd collection) streaming digital files to the Oppo 105 for digital to analog conversion and playback.
3. The incorporation of hi-res 24 bit/96khz downloaded music files.
Interesting that you found no sound quality advantage with xlr over se connections. After comparing my newly configured system connected via se vs xlr cables, I would agree that, if there is an improvement using the xlrs, it is very slight and nothing I could detect with certainty.
I now believe the 3 most important factors influencing my impressions are my use of a computer system as a music source, the resulting increased playback of hi-res 24/96 FLAC and WAV files and the addition of the Oppo. Duh, right? I didn't treat my new setup scientifically, where only 1 variable is changed at a time to determine effects. I made multiple changes at once; the Oppo, computer as source, hi-res music files and direct to amp xlr connection. These were most likely the cause of my perception of a lowered noise floor and resultant increase in system performance.
Since I couldn't detect any differences, I think I'll go back to the xlr hookup(and sell the VTL) due to simplicity and reduced long term tube expense.
Anyway, happy early Birthday wishes to you, Dbphd. I can say with confidence that you will not regret buying an Oppo 105. I cannot overstate how pleased I am with mine. If you have any interest getting into hi-res computer audio, send me a pm and I'll walk you through the configuration. My cds even sound better 'ripped' to, and played back through, the hard drive. 24 bit/96khz music files are stunning and the best source for music listening I've heard thus far. Convenience and sound quality are the major advantages from my perspective.
FYI: Amazon and Oppo Direct have the lowest prices at $1,199 on the 105 I've seen. However, they don't have free shipping so I bought mine at Crutchfield for $1,219 and free shipping which resulted in an awesome $7 savings over both of them.
Now, please stop telling everbody that I never give you anything for your b-day, ok?
Thanks and hope you enjoy your b-day, Oppo and $7,
Tim
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Tim
I've been experimenting with SE and XLR connections from an Oppo 105 and Sony XA5400ES to a Parasound JC-2 analog stereo preamp -- I need the preamp for the CD/SACD players and a JC-3 phono stage. When I switch between SE and XLR while a disc is playing on the Oppo, the sound is continuous even though the light on the JC indicates the input was switched, no level nor quality change.
When I do the same routine with the Sony, the level is higher for SE than XLR, presumably because of impedance, but if there is a quality change it's too subtle for me to detect.
I concluded that superb sound is available with either the Oppo or Sony with either SE or XLR. The connections are short; the JC-2 output goes to Proceed HPA amps that drive KEF Reference 107.2s; the surround and SW channels go directly from the Oppo to HPA amps and Velodyne SMS-1s.
db |
I've always loved tubes but I grew up back in the day when a new RCA cleartop was a $1.99 at the drugstore which also had tube tester in the corner.
I have a Eastern Electric Avant pre with 5 12au7 , 2 12ax7 and a 6x4 rectifier, Even with these most common of tubes you might spend more than the pre costs initally over its lifetime. And if you don't want to spend all day switching tubes around you need a good tester as well.
Get into 300B and amps with 4 or more power tubes you're talking a lot of money even if if you can talk yourself into believing Russian tubes sound good.
I might get a 105 for my birthday in July. |
Hi Schubert,
Very good question, I'm having a hard time realizing this, too. Up until inserting the Oppo, I thought I had stumbled upon an ideal music solution with the combination of a very neutral and revealing class D power amp paired with the VTL with nos Mullard tubes. I've described the excellent synergy of this pairing in some other posts. Since my system is now used about 60% for ht and 40% music, the VTL was a perfect fit with its ht/passthru and my separate ancient Parasound AV2500 preamp/processor. This setup, which took me awhile to figure out, allowed my system to be a very good performer for both music and ht.
I thought I had determined that I needed tubes in my system somewhere to achieve the sound I was wanting (very detailed but with 3 dimensional sound staging and a touch to the warm side of neutral). I thought I needed the tubes to attain this but I now think I was wrong. I've proven to myself that a good performing system can be had through a tube/solid state hybrid AND a completely solid state one. My current thought is that the important factors are having good equipment that is connected well in the most direct manner.
I think connecting the 105 directly to my main amp via Audioquest xlr cables is a factor in my excellent results. It is very apparent that the noise floor has dropped, which does all sorts of good things for the sound performance. Another benefit is utilizing the 105's very good audio circuits and saber dacs as a source component instead of my older Sony DP-s7700 cd/dvd player.
What drove it home for me was listening to one of my favorite cds,Jack Johnson's "In between Dreams", which is mainly vocals and acoustic music with touches of electric guitar that always sounded very harmonically correct and almost euphonic with my prior system. When this cd had the same qualities played back direct through the Oppo, it was a revelation. The VTL wasn't responsible for this, it was in the music and both systems were just very good at capturing these qualities.
Even after realizing the above, however, I'm still reluctant to sell my beloved VTL. As a result, I'm going to place the VTL back in my system (between the 105 and my amp) just to be certain I can get by without it. It's not exactly a fair comparison, though, since the VTL will be another link in the chain and will be connected via rca cables instead of xlrs. I'm just going to choose solely based on sound quality.
Anyway Schubert, I completely understand your skepticism since I felt likewise prior to trying it. I don't think I can overstate how much I'm enjoying the Oppo 105. The hype is true.
Later,
Tim |
Noble100, I know you are a " long-timer" on Audiogon and one whose posts have always been intelligent and informative .
But , on a music only system, I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around a 105 being a sub for a VTL pre.
But then , as I said, I always respect you posts. |
Avgoround,
Did you ever decide to do the right thing and buy an Oppo?
I'm thinking you probably did since you have not posted anything to this thread since 4/30/2013. I'm thinking you're too busy just enjoying the hell out of your new Oppo and loving your single box wonder box.
As I said earlier, I just bought an Oppo 105 and I'm just enjoying the hell out of it, myself. I find myself having the same thoughts and impressions on my 105 that Sonicbeauty has described. The only thing close to negative I would say about this unit is that they're made in China, not here in the U.S. They are sold and supported through an American registered company, Oppo Digital, but I think this is just a 'front' company for the Chinese registered Oppo.
Just in case you haven't come to your senses yet and bought an Oppo and for anyone else considering a purchase, I'll describe what it has brought to my system and why I'm so convinced of its many benefits to any music lover's system.
1. Versatility- The Oppo plays almost any optical disc format: bluray, cd, sacd, dvd-a and cd-rom. It also functions as a limited input preamp and a surround sound processor.
After setup in my system, the 105 allowed me to no longer require the services of my tubed VTL 2.5 preamp or my Parasound AV2500 surround processor. I'm currently planning on selling both units to a friend for about the 105's cost ($1,200). The 105, connected directly from its 'Dedicated Stereo' outputs to my main amp's inputs via xlr cables, has matched the sweetness and dimensionality of my former Sony DP-7700 universal cd/dvd player combined with my Mullard tubed VTL 2.5 preamp. I also sense the noise floor is lower which enhances detail retrieval and perceived dynamic range.
2. Functions as a high quality DAC, Digital Media Player (DMP) and Digital Media Renderer (DMR)- By using my laptop running JRiver Media Center software($50), a Synology single bay NAS with a 2 TB Seagate hard drive($250 total), Seagate Backup Plus 2 TB backup hard drive($95) and the Oppo supplied USB wi-fi dongle, I'm now able to stream my entire 'ripped' cd collection and high-resolution(24/96 and 24/192) music downloads wirelessly to the 105 and, through its excellent Saber dacs and output stage, play them back through my system. The hi-res files sound awesome and even my cds sound better played back this way (lower jitter?). I plan on testing the 105's DSD capabilities in the near future, also.
3. Sound Quality- Whether I'm watching a movie, watching Directv or listening to music, the sound quality is very high and exceded my expectations. The Oppo's setup and configuration settings require a monitor but are very easy to use even without reading the manual. The decoded surround sound is much better than my former, and admittedly much older, Parsound's ability. Once I position my Magnepans out about 4-5ft away from the front wall into the room, the sound quality is stunning. The soundstage presented is wide, deep and 3 dimensional with plenty of detail and a definite 'in the room' realism that I really enjoy. I was concerned some of these qualities would be missing with the VTL(and Mullard tubes)out of the system but it sounds just as sweet when the music calls for it.
4. Simplicity- With my music preamp and surround processor removed from my system, my rack just consists of the Oppo 105 on the top rack with my main amp and 2 surround amps on the shelf below. My NAS and backup drive are located out of sight by my router in my lower level family room. I'm sitting about 12ft away from my system with just my laptop running JRMC. I'm able to view my entire music collection on the laptop and control playback of anything I want to listen to. I almost feel guilty about how convenient my music playback has become.....almost. I'm also able to store and playback my video collection if I want to. We're all aware of how exhausting it can be to get up off our lazy asses and actually put a bluray into the player and trudge all 12ft back to your chair and then, on top of all that, have to press the 'play' button.
5. Picture Quality- the Oppos are also superior video players with built in QDEO video processing. You get a great picture whether watching regular cable/satellite or watching a bluray or DVD disk.
OK, I'll stop there even though I probably left out a few additional features like the headphone amp, internet radio streaming, excellent customer support and service, etc. Anyways, I think you've gathered by now that I'm kind of digging my Oppo 105.
So Avgoround, I hate to tell you this but the hype and praise are all accurate; the Oppos are awesome. Hopefully, you came to your senses and know this firsthand.
Just to be clear, I have no association with Oppo. I'm just I'm just a big fan of excellent a/v quality and value.
Tim |
Keep in mind the perspective here is based on the question "is an Oppo worth the extra few hundred bucks over an el cheapo player. Since this decision made is typically in the context of a "modest" system, I can see how in some cases the answer is no.
For a vast number of prospective Oppo buyers, the question is hte exact opposite, i.e. "can I get away with using an El Cheapo Oppo in my high end system, and forgo the megabucks player"? A very high number of "high-end" users appear to be concluding YES, which is testimony to the quality of the player.
Edorr +2 on these comments So, as opposed to paying $1000 for an ALL-IN-ONE, could I do even better results using $350 deal on a used trasport, $500 high performance dedicated DAC, and a $150 top Sony Bluplayer with SACD? How far better accross the board is my $1000 Oppo investment?
Avgoround Maybe better, maybe not. One other thing that should be mentioned is that your setup introduces 3 boxes plus cabling which after adding the costs of the ICs is probably more expensive than the Oppo one-box solution. For some, the convenience there, in addition to the experiences as shared by many others above, makes it hard to ignore. And deserves the praise it gets. And, Avgoround, would you mind putting in paragraph breaks in your posts? It makes it easier to read. Thanks. |
Of course, even DAC selected is major. |
Schubert, I have owned both machines.
Owned the Cambridge and held on to it while I waited months for the silver edition Oppo 105 to arrive.
When it did arrive, I did some meticulous comparisons.
It's all subjective of course but here are my reasons for getting rid of the Cambridge and going with the Oppo.
1. I liked the sound of the Sabre DAC better in the Oppo. The Oppo sound is not necessarily better, just different to my ears.
2. I liked (and currently use) the XLR outputs.
3. It is a stunning design with a clean faceplate and looks and feels like a high end audio component, where the Cambridge looks like a common home-theatre DVD player. Looks count in my book. Controls and operation are smooth.
4. I found the transport to be QUIETER at close range, actually, you cannot heart the OPPO spinning at all.
5. Love the remote and actually bought a second original one for only 12 bucks.
Not knocking the Camby, again, sound is a matter of taste. So are looks.
They may be made in part at the same plant, but let me tell you, those two machines are not alike at all.
Cheers everyone! |
Oppo's are way OVER-RATED! They are all hype. The BDP-103 is junk IMO. Flakey and nothing special |
Schubert,
Yes, my friend has a Cambridge universal and it's very obvious comparing the back panel of this to the Oppo 105 that they're almost identical. The front panels are not even close to identical but both look very nice and perform great.
I think there are a few other brands that utilize the Oppo's video and audio tech in their high priced, nicely recased units. I know that Oppo Digital is a U.S. registered company based in Mountain View, Calif. I think this company is just a 'front' for the Chinese Oppo company but am not totally clear on the relationship.
I'd prefer to buy American but I don't think there is a universal player built here that is anywhere near the quality and affordability of the 105. I'm thrilled with the performance of this beauty in all areas: video, 2 channel audio, ease of connectivity with my laptop, JRMC and a NAS for hi-rez computer audio. I'm hooking it up direct from the Oppo's 'Dedicated Stereo' outputs to my main amp via xlr cables for stereo and direct from the Oppo's 'Analog 7.1' outputs to my surround amps via rca cables.
The Oppo even has a feature I wasn't aware of until after setup: it automatically plays back in either stereo or multi-ch depending on inputted signal. This is enabled simply by configuring one setting in the 'Setup' menu. So, my VTL 2.5 preamp and Parasound AV2500 processor were no longer necessary since the 105 functions as both a very good preamp and a very good surround processor. I have a buyer for both components and I'll be selling them both for about the price of the 105 ($1,200). This, in effect, enabled me to make a major upgrade to my system sound wise, as well as enabling me to begin using hi-rez computer files, and I gained a first class bluray/SACD/DVD-A player to boot all for no cost. I am completely pleased with this versatile and high quality machine. It even retains its resale market value. Best component I've bought thus far.
Don't hesitate if you're considering buying an Oppo 103 or 105,
Tim
Thanks,
Tim |
I recently read a review in the leading Polish Audio mag where the editor described his tour through the Chinese factory where Oppo is made,same factory, same workers make
the Cambridge Audio DVD and CD players, according to him only
difference was in cases and Dac's selected. |
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Avgoround,
I wrote this to you back in April:
"I have no affiliation with OPPO.
I do want to congratulate you, though, on coming to your senses and deciding in such a rational manner to gain the numerous inherent benefits obtained by purchasing an OPPO universal player.
Since I'm going to eventually buy an OPPO as well, we can be each other's huckleberries. Soon, you'll be hearing or reading someone singing the praises of OPPO and you'll just be nodding in agreement and smiling. Your panties will also be completely un-bunched and you'll be at peace with the universe.
Enjoy,
Tim"
Just thought you might want to know I meant what I said about Oppo.
I bought an Oppo bdp-105 a few weeks ago and I'm loving it.
Hope you're pleased with yours, too,
Tim
vgoround, |
Oppo is the ONLY player I know that can do CD/HDCD, SACD, DVD-A, PCM/DSD DAC (FLAC/WAV, etc), Blu-Ray audio. All this besides doing video.
I would like to know if anyone has compared a Marantz SA11-S3 Vs this Oppo 105. It may be scales of economy - but wish Oppo made a AUDIO ONLY player. |
Avgoround: Just buy one instead of all this rant about something you have no experience with. I mean - sure - you can have an opinion on gear you don't own (we all do), but when it sound's borderline vendetta with all those comments you made about Oppo - something's fishy! Amen |
