See what I mean?! Here above I see 4 different players in reference -DV-983H ,BD-83 and BD-93, and BDP105. Can anyone chiming in here honestly name 3 model numbers from any other brand DVD/Blu player, in the history of the genre?!! I'M GOING WITH "NO!"
"Oppo delivers industry leading image quality, friendly operation, an easy to use remote control" (AlPo-)
I'm sorry, but I simply have a very hard time believing - picture quality alone (which, btw, should be the only real thing that matters for a Bluray player) -that having an Oppo in my system, was really "that much better" than what some off the shelf Sony player has given me! I mean these dirt cheaper spinners pretty much all are including in likely the best video processing available in the industry today, for pennies, at their cost! ..seamed more than good to me. Certainly no one who's ever viewed my projector set-up's has ever said anything but WWOOOOOOW!, when looking at my very large 135" diag blown up 1080p image from my JVC's! Just saying. (think I paid $119 on sale for my Sony Blu machine, ...like 4 years ago!) Looks fantastic!
Here's what I find of SIGNIFICANTLY higher importance, when it comes to getting a quality image from your video system: 1) Quality of the projector/display being used 2) how well the PJ/display is calibrated/adjusted! 3) the room environment your viewing in (is there light in the room, even shinning on your display?..washing your immage dynamics, detail, and blacklevels?)
I would submit to anyone that, 99% of the people out there using a player, DON'T have their display even remotely close to properly calibrated, to take advantage of any fundamentally "higher quality" video signal, to even matter! ...that, and the viewing environemnt?
Spend a $1000 on a player and you Projector doesn't even have the best black levels possible from your display device, nor is it properly ISF calibrated - or close to- in the first place!? ..that and your walls in your room are anything but dark colored! - splashing color on your image, blowing out the black levels and contrast ..I'm just saying.
Between the superb video processing/scaling capabilities of both sub $150 Bluray players and ever progressing video projectors/display technologies these past years, I have to wonder just what I'd really see plunking down the cash for a premium disc spinner, when things are just so darn good -video-wise- with everything else out there?
I kinda view the Oppo as "a better cell phone", when the other phones just keeps getting better and cheaper, only 6 months latter! So why pay up, when the cheap stuff eventualy surpasses the previous hi-end stuff, when it comes to digital?!
Lol - I can still remember, some 13 years ago, selling some guy a $25K Faroudja DVP5000 scaler! I think a few years later, even $150 dvd players were offering supperior scaling and processing than what that mega buck player offered!!! Gotta be the law of deminishing returns here.
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I'm just tellin you all! ..25 years from now, we'll all be watching 64K "pixel-less" virtual reality, 4D Holographic, floating images in the middle of our livingspaces, AND WE'LL STILL BE READING ARTICLES ABOUT ULTRA-HIGH DATA OPPO DIGITAL MEDIA STREAMING BOXES! Tellin ya! ..it's gunna happen. :-0
*On a more important note -in the year 2019 Oppo goes public, and immediately get's bought up by ailing former tech giant Apple! (desparate attempt to salvage the sliding marketshare former tech giant) -The stock symble "OPPO" quickly doubles in price. Savy investors, Make a note of that... |
"Disclaimer: I may be, or may not be, affiliated with OPPO's Marketing dept. assigned to making sure that Avgoround purchases one of our products." (Nobel 100)
YYEEEEES! I DID IT!! I got an Oppo affiliate to post in here, and simultaneously brought foreward the hoard of Oppo faithful for a waterhole gathering! WINNING!!
Noble 100? Ok, I will say that I really used to be into this hobby (hi-end audio and HT both), and if you and all the faithful here seriously want to convert me back, and make me stubornly yeild by re-conforming to my old audio/videophile ways -and people here REALLY want me to repent, and get an OPPO (btw-recent CEPro or Custom Integrator magazine artical states that "the disc is almost going bye-bye..so I'm not completely enthused, truthfully), THEN I WILL! There..I spoke into the universe -lol
Yes, I am saying that I am willing to "take one for the team", and buy one -Just BECAUSE! -let's say "in the spirit of the whole thing!"
Wow! I Can't honestly say I've ever listed a posting, where people were genuinly encouraging me to bite down and buy a piece! It's a first. So, sure. I'll play.
HOWEVER, I will only conceed on one condition...I WANT AN INDUSTRY ACCOMODATION DISCOUNT DEAL ON THE LATEST MODEL! What's retal MSRP? Do you gots B-Stock of these? Give me some terms. Hehe..and i'll be your huckleberry!!..
Nobel 100? If you really have affiliation, then do me a deal, and I'll buy! Then I promiss to go on the Oppo bandwagon, and recommend to the masses. Lol! Seriously, make me an offer.. I'm waiting, and got cashy. |
That's right,. ..I wanna STEEEEEP discount! I hear dem darn spinners will soon be disapering faster than flash flood in Texas! Tic Toc, Tic toc ...Bzzzzzt |
As I stated, I have failed to keep track on what the latest Oppo's offer, their evolutionary improvements vs past, whether they offer the BEST DAC's in the industry, or other high end parts which you would undoubtedly find in uber-high end essoteric players. I presume some of the better DAC's available today, all the latest Digital Codec's for movies, analog out's etc.
Question (as an audiophile, for a minute):
is the Oppo (current/best?) as good of a disc transport as what better, megabuck trasports offer? How's the ultimate dynamics? Is the background "BLACK quite", like on ultra-end tranny's? Rythem, dynamics, pace, even air? These are surely points of consideration that the extremely picky and discerning professional reviewers would surely touch on in a review, yes? So I ask seasoned audiophiles...does this thing simply throw in all the latest and greates, with a couple tweaks n mods? I assuming so, and I know they're are mods on these things, from the dialoge of reviewers and enduser readings. Cause I would have a hard time believing that the SACD quality of the Oppo would best an old SACD-1, or beat better dedicated transport/DAC (later offerings) combo's, in ultimate terms - CD/music DVD/SACD applications.
Movies? Like I said, I honestly think that more of the ultimate pic would be due to the technology of Bluray and outstanding scaling and video processing in these latest displays/projectors! I'm just saying. So, what? I'm thinking the Oppo is a superb performer, throughout, but not elite in any one area?..except perhaps video?
So, as opposed to paying $1000 for an ALL-IN-ONE, could I do even better results using $350 deal on a used trasport, $500 high performance dedicated DAC, and a $150 top Sony Bluplayer with SACD? How far better accross the board is my $1000 Oppo investment? See what I mean? Im not so convinced the Oppo would transform any efforts I put foreward to fill my system with the right parts, to do all the formats, is all I'm saying. But I'm sure the Oppo would make me happy enough, regardless - especially considering how my interest has wained over the years as a "phile" certainly.
Besides all that rhetoric, isn't all this stuff a moot point? Surely, ALL the discs are going away, yes? As far as I can tell - and read - digital media streaming and data storage is where it's at and going!? I already have Netflix, and only have 60 or so Bluray movies at present, and only occassionally listen to 2 channel music anymore, except in my car, of course.
So, do I really need an oppo? Probably not anymore.
Yes, in the near future I'll put back together a higher end multi/2ch system, doing double duties. Still, most all my music will likely be streaming variety.
Yeah, I prob don't NEED the Oppo..infact, Im sure of it.
I'm sure its great for everyone else though |
Nobel100,
No, didn't buy one, and probably won't, honestly.
Let's forget the fact, for the moment, that the Oppo's don't upscale to 4K resolution, and we got new projectors and displays coming out now that DO JUST THAT! (Why would I pay for scaling and processing in the Oppos, when my display is already processing video signals beyond what the oppo can do?)
Besides all that, I can't imagine getting any serious game changing significantly better picture quality simply by getting an oppo, after tweaking and calibrating my projector, than with a descent Sony for 1/8th of the price, honestly.
Also, right now, my audio system is in a "really don't care so much,at present" mode, which is yet another reason I don't care about hunting down an Oppo.
Then, we get to the near future, where all these players -AND DISCS - go BYE BYE! ..and then we are all at hard-driver storage/media servers anyway.
You can't convince me that we won't all be condensing our disc collections onto Kaleidascape type Terabyte hard-drive units, and servers, pc storage and streaming, etc, anyway, in the not to distant future.
Let me recant my position. I will likely end up with an Oppo by finding some package deal, or Craigslist/Ebay listing, where someone's practically giving it away, or I just happen to end up with one by accident some day!
That is likely the scenario with which I'll end up with one, if ever. Right now, I really just don't care, I guess.
Happy with what I got. But, one things for sure, you will not get me plunking down long green for NEW on one of these bad boys, just cause I gotta have it! Not going to happen.
You all knock yourselves out though. Im sure all your guests will be impressed with you system transforming, world class Oppo in your lineup, no doubt! -and then they'll surely want to go out an by one for themselves, from your enthusiasm alone. Marvelous. The industry changing Oppo legacy marches on. |
Noble100, thanks. Sooooo which one does all this streaming and wifi downloading, and server and such??? Is it the 105? Otherwise, which of all of these should I look for that does what I want? Also, what would I expect to pay for one, used? Can only get new on these, likely?? What's the deal-io, yo?!
Yes, Im probably interested now.
Thx...guess im a Born Again convert again.
Oh wait! So really, the 4K upscaling isn't really all that important, say, hooked up to my JVC Eshift projector choice? I mean the JVC is kinda scaling already, yes?? Thx |
Wait, wwaaaaiiit! You mean I can stream bluray movies, cd's, and super audio discs, which are stored on my hardrives, through the Oppo, and use it as a server - kinda like the Kaleidascape servers???? - Where I can organize tittles (complete with graphic logos and content listings of the movie/cds?), and play everything on the menu stored on hardrives!???
Just want to make sure I understand Nobel100's comments on the 105. |
here's all im interested in, if it means needing to get ANY Oppo: One, I need to know if its possible to burn my bluray discs onto some hard drive, bit for bit (no loss of audio/video rez), and stream them through the Oppo? Ultimately, I want to get rid of all my Discs (going away anyway...let's be honest) and store them as exact copies, just like I heard some of the Kaleidascapes can do.
If the oppo simply is used as a player for my discs, Im less enthused. I'm sure it plays marginally better than standard $150 Bluray players for sound and vid, but im guessing that has much MUCH more to do with how well my projector and setup is calibrated and engineered, as well as the integrity of my audio system.
Again, if anyone can convince me of all the "goodness" that the Oppo can do to transform my digital AV life (i.e, store or stream media and arrange all my titles like a server, do wifi to my Netflix, even somehow -not sure how it can do this - stream my bluray titles from some stored hard drive (really??!), etc, then im definitely on board. Otherwise, if it's just down to better supposed sound and vid from my disc collection and SACD or two, which I own, then Im probably no so interested. Thx for anyone clarifying |
Nobel00(tim?),
Thank you for your input and response! I may indeed require your assistance, and perhaps we can work something out in the near future???
Again, just to sum, my main goal is to ultimately end up with something like the Kaleidascape servers, where I can store all my bluray titles (without having to keep the original hard discs, ultimately - which I heard some of those units can do, regardless of copyright issues), all my cd's/SACD's, and play through the one server. And, if I can do this through my PC instead, probably even better (playing out to my AV pre-amp processor ultimately).
Also, Wifi and streaming is desired, to do Netflix, and online content, hi-rez audio, and so on.
Now if the Oppo helps make all of that attainable, then I'm definitely interested.
I think, at this moment, above all else (keeping as much integrity of high end video and sound reproduction as possible), I would like to get away from the discs! -conveniently storing/buring everything onto hard-disc, and using digital server, yes. I think we're at that age where this should be where it's at for everyone. I know the Discss are going away, and would ultimately like to ditch my collection, and just do backups.
Any help, as always, appreciated...with or without the Oppo. |
