I recently tried my first system tweak, purchasing IsoAcoustic Orea isolation footers for my Luxman 507uX Mk2 integrated amp, Marantz Ruby CD/SACD player, and Shunyate Hydra Denali 6000S power conditioner. I liked the improvement in sound quality so much I’ve gone ahead and ordered IsoAcoustic Gaia feet for my VPI Classic 2 turntable and Magico A3 speakers. I never expected a tweak to make such an improvement, not just a change, in sound quality. By the way, my cables are Audioquest Rocket 88 speaker cables, Audioquest Colorado cables from the CD/SACD player, and VPI phono cables. The Shunyata Hydra Denali has a Venom power cable. All the other power cords are what came with each component.
Acoustic room treatments that would affect room decor are unfortunately out of the equation and I’ve already tried my best to design component shelving to be a vibration free as I could. I’ve thought about are redoing the house wiring to create a dedicated circuit, and making an ultrasonic record cleaner.
So my question to you all is, what tweaks have had the most positive impact on your own system, that you could you recommend for the above described system? There seems to be a lot of tweaks out there that range from the sublime to the ridiculous in both performance and price. I’d like to know what tweaks of the many out there have worked best for you so I can make a list and prioritize each in terms of performance and budget. Please share your favorites and I’d appreciate your advice. Thanks,
mijostyn Geoffkait, you see? People do know when you are joking or being serious. It’s fine to have obtuse thinking but you have to display it carefully with strangers. Must of us are just plain dumb. I include myself in that category.
>>>>>I gratefully accept your advice, coming as it does from someone who I strongly suspect displays himself to strangers frequently.
Mijoststyn, I appreciate your cynicism on tweaks, having been repeatedly criticized for being too cynical myself ever since being a teenager. On the other hand maybe there are a few things, like you've done with your system, that may be sensible and helpful. I aim to try and winnow them out, especially the low and no cost ones. My long career in Corrections has been an excellent training ground for weeding out BS. That is 90% or more of what you hear every day, and have to sort out the truth from in that setting. There's always someone inventive enough to get over on you though.
Mijostyn, In my reply to your first post on this thread I'd asked you a question or two. Would you mind re-reading those and let me know your answers, as I was thinking of following your advice on a thing or two you've done with your system. Thanks.
Mre28m5, I'll add your suggestions to my list of products to look up. Thank you.
Tantejuut, your ideas and products suggested are added to the list too. Thanks,
So now books are bad in a listening room? Can’t say I’ve ever heard anyone ever say this. My take, a combination of reflective and absorbing materials in an average room will in essence average out the sound period. All this room treatment crap is for the birds. Just furnish and decorate the room properly, and dont just listen in a room with walls lined with mirrors and windows for example....I dont get all the obsession with this. A pillow here, a throw over there...a picture hung here or there, a nice stuffed chair or couch over there, a scatter rug, some hard surfaces such as a table maybe? You know, its called a room you live in? Not a prison. My goodness...I’ll do what I want, cause it’s my room and i gotta live in it. I’m not rich and can’t afford an addition or a divorce for that matter. This forum drives me nut sometimes, talk about being anal and obsessed. I do not think any speaker manufacturer envisioned any user of a particular speaker going to these lengths just to get acceptable sound. If the speaker sounds that aweful in your average furnished room, then maybe it’s just crap....all my own opinion. I've done none of these tweaks and my system sounds fine, unless I'm deaf or i just lucked out...who knows...
Books are bad because of the morphic fields they put out. There’s a whole website devoted to tweaks and my personal favorite, the Teleportation Tweak for long distance system upgrades. One phone call anywhere in the world and you will hear your system improve while talking on the phone. Truly amazing stuff!
Audioguy, that book thing was some sort of joke. I think. I’m sure you’re right this hobby can earn you a divorce. Honestly if I wasn’t a widower in here, I’d never have this fancy system, much any tweaks at all. The cost of the IsoAcoustic footers alone would have have gotten me my head handed to me, much less providing fodder on the list as one of the things I’d done wrong since we were married. There were a few of those trotted out any time we argued. I don’t understand why someone my redecorate their home as a tweak to get better sound. But what the hey, it’s better that than many other far worse things you could be up to.
Millercarbon, I glanced at the content of your link. The article references Ernst Haeckl, an early, but probably by now obscure, Darwinian, a vintage copy of one of whose books is in my library. I did enjoy that reference. That volume will remain in my listening room/library doing whatever good or harm it may to the room acoustics, morphic or otherwise, along with the rest of my stuff. Audioguy would certainly approve.
(As an aside, Haeckl was famous for the "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny" observation, re: fetuses having gills and the like during a portion of their development). I’ve always enjoyed Natural History and being in a room filled with everything you like, to include a nice stereo system, is the best.
Ultrasonic record cleaning is a good idea. It gave me as much as doubling the cost of a major component. Also, after nearly 1000 hours, my Koetsu shows minimal wear (according to a photomicrograph) - so my US cleaner has already paid for itself. I use an Elmasonic and run it at 80KHz. Look up the Rushton thread.
The next best upgrade is exchanging inferior parts for better ones. Film and foil caps usually sound better than factory, because factory makes to a price point. MIT RTX series caps give lots of performance for not so much cost, and may be a good match to your Magico's. BUT - this constitutes a mod, which tends to diminish resale value.
So, let's start with the
hypothesis that information itself produces detrimental information
fields and that those things, the electronic devices, that bring that
information into the house, that are essentially the LINKS to the
OUTSIDE WORLD OF INFORMATION, are also detrimental to the sound. Thus,
TVs, computers, cell phones, as well as LPs, CDs, DVDs, Blu Ray discs,
cassettes, I.e., all music and video media, produce detrimental info
fields. i won't even get into books, magazines, newspapers, bank
statements, telephone books and bar codes. So while it's nice to collect
these CDS and records and have them all nicely arranged on the shelf
the more you have the worse the sound gets. Sorry to be the one to break
it to you. You're just not aware of the degradation of the sound
because it happens over a long period of time - and even if you were
clued into the degradation who would suspect the CDs, right? Who would
suspect information fields? I mean, really. But I digress.
I mean okay yeah of course its a joke. But read it. Does it read like a joke? It sure doesn't read like a joke to me. Did you look at the website? This stuff is for sale. For money. Some joke.
Here's a laugh: Believe a word of it, the jokes on you.
Terry9, I know next to nothing about caps and mods but that sounds like an interesting subject to learn about. I once stumbled across a web site that talked a lot about DIY stereo and mods. I saved that site somewhere and you’ve reminded me to go back, find it, and try and learn about them. It would be interesting to learn something about the inner workings of our equipment.
Recapping my old Dahlquist DQ10’s always sounded like a good thing to learn about and do, but I hadn’t the background and knowlede to even think about doing something like that. Glad you brought it up. If I have the time left to do so learning about the electronics of our components is on my bucket list. That’s the kind of thing retirement is good, and gives you the time, for.
I do plan on building an ultrasonic record cleaner, maybe this winter. I’ve read up on them and it seems like a fairly simple DIY project. If it works even half as good as yours I'll be happy. I'm curious how well they work with records that have been well cared for, but still can be noisy. Any thoughts on that from your experience?
“When Bob Gilliland made the first flight of the SR-71 on December 22, 1964, engineers were still tweaking 379 items on the aircraft. That didn’t deter Gilliland, who took the airplane to 50,000 feet and Mach 1.5. At a 2010 talk in Ridgecrest, California, Gilliland recounted that he ignored the one error message he saw in the cockpit that day: “Canopy Unsafe.”
We have the cold war, Kelly Johnson, and the CIA to thank for what is still the fastest aircraft propelled by jet engines. Once the U-2 proved vulnerable to the Soviet Union’s surface-to-air missiles, the CIA issued a contract for a spyplane that could evade SAMs. Johnson responded with the A-12, the aircraft that would evolve into the SR-71.”
I'd change the Venom to a better shunyata choice and add better power cables through out your system. A good power cord cuts down on background noise and allows more detail. To me it's the weak point in your system. Having said that, seems you isolated vibration from coming into your system.
@ skyscraper, you state:
Acoustic room treatments that would affect room decor are unfortunately out of the equation. When I read this I obviously, and incorrectly, assumed it was voltage/current from the wife but you later disclose you are a widower. Why then can you not incorporate some room treatments that can be artistically introduced that will make a significant difference? In my experience a greater difference than a component upgrade let alone tweaks!
Octet11, I've been wondering if better power cords can actually make any difference. Not to say that they can't, but the idea of it is so conter-intuivitive to me I've hesitated to commit the resources to get any to replace what I have. The Shunyata Venom is my only power cord that is not stock. When I purchased the Shunyata Hydra Denali power conditioner used, it it came without a cord. When I called Shunyata they recommended the Venom so the conditioner would operate correctly. So I got it against my better judgement.
I've been meaning to pm Eric Squires who mentioned about a year or so ago in a post about his then new Luxman 507uX amp, that he had upgraded to a not overly expensive power cord. I was wondering if he noted any improvement from doing that. Maybe he'll catch this post and report how that worked out for him. Thanks for your recommendation about my system Octet11. You may very well be absolutely correct and I should stop being cheap.
Good power cords, speaker cables and interconnects make a huge difference in audio performance.
Contact Grover Huffman. He makes really good cables for not a lot of money. A friend of mine has a complete loop of Grover’s latest "Empress" cables in his system and his system is awesome.
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