Thank you Spirit
My system as is,is a joy for me to listen to.
But always seeking to find the Impossible Sound I would like to try some Entreq products if I can work something out with a dealer/distributor.
I haven't read every post and you may have already stated this but what would you start with in an analog only system |
At the moment, Entreq don't have representation in the US.
Just spoken to the UK rep and he'll be happy to advise you/provide units if practical. His name is Fraser Robertson of Kog Audio and can be emailed on: scotty-42@hotmail.com |
Thank you for your time and effort.
This would have been a blind purchase.
Therefore I was hoping to "try before I buy"
Freight would be prohibitive. |
I contacted Entreq directly and they said they do have a money back guarantee. You can keep it for 6 weeks. Not sure if shipping is covered as well but I doubt it. |
Just an update, I asked entreq if shipping is also covered and they said yes so seems like there is truly a risk free way to try this product out. |
If carriage is covered, then boys, I say 'go for it!'. Entreq has totally transformed my system, but in the most subtle yet demonstrative way possible (if that's not too much of a paradox).
It's not at all similar to eg putting in a new component, where the nature of the sound will dramatically change. It's more like whatever you admire about your system will be enhanced to the max. So I'd mainly recommend it if you've got to a point where you rate your system, and don't feel the need to upgrade components to a radically different sound, or if you feel there is a possible bottleneck in the sound re signal quality that could be removed. But if you want to find out where the sound you've worked all these years to get to can stretch another 50 percent plus, then Entreq grounding, and in my case also overkill balanced power are totally serious options to consider.
If you guys want me to illustrate how we integrated Entreq into my system, and my jaw dropping early experience, and a recent experience that totally cemented Entreq's quality in my rig, I'll be happy to do so in a future post. |
Goldeneraguy, I omitted to answer your earlier q. Entreq is applicable in the same way to all-analog or all-digital systems, or those with both sources.
Start off with running an Entreq ground lead from an unused input or output on your preamp to their grounding box. This is still the best bang for your buck in the whole grounding experience. If you want to go a little further, try a grounding lead from the earthing post of your phono stage to the grounding box. Here, YMMV - initially with my Tom Evans Groove Plus SRX phono stage taking a signal from a Zu Denon 103 and Transfiguration Orpheus carts, I didn't get good results. But when I upgraded to a Soundsmith Straingauge cart, a grounding lead from it's SG200 Energizer now really worked, and I find months later both options are irreplaceable. |
Tboooe & Spiritofmusic
Thank you for the info
I'll be contacting Entreq.
Spirit,You make no mention of using a Minimus.When,if at all would this be usd?? |
G'guy, the chain of command from base level up is, I believe: Minimus, Silver Minimus, Tellus, Silver Tellus and Silver Tellus w/add on Atlantis box.
Minimus supports 1 component only, so if one was to restrict to a single grounding lead to eg preamp, this would be the choice, with the Silver Minimus having a greater performance envelope. Tellus supports up to 6 components, silver Tellus up to 8, with the Atlantis add-on box supercharging the effects of Silver Tellus.
If you were to stay at one component only, my recommendation would be to stretch to the Silver Tellus, and if you want to consider grounding your whole system eg pre/monoblocks/cdp/dac/phono/subs/distribution block, go down the Tellus/Silver Tellus route. |
I am not sure what to get. According the the entreq website the minimus can handle "several" components. I was thinking of trying it on my Dac/cdp and integrated amp. Would the Minimus work for this setup? |
Yes, it is a little confusing. Basically each different box has a different number of grounding terminals on the back, each terminal able to support up to 2 grounding leads ie ground up to 2 components.
So, the Minimus has 1 terminal which means that your integrated amp AND cdp/dac can be connected (if cdp and dac are separate, then obv. not all 3 can be connected to Minimus). Silver Minimus will also support 2 max, but with better results due to higher quality of unit.
The only issue here is that analog and digital components are best connected to separate ground terminals, which means that Tellus (6 components max on 3 terminals) or Silver Tellus (8 max on 4) will still be most practical choice. Minimus will always restrict you to max 2, and those are best both analog or both digital.
Quite a few customers start off however with a Minimus/Silver Minimus, usu. just to preamp to get the biggest idea of grounding positives, and add on extra Minimus/Silver Minimus at later date if they want to extend the grounding options, or onto Tellus/Silver Tellus. |
Guys, please contact Fraser on the email contact I posted 12-11-13, he'll be able to give you definitive answers to tech qs. I can help out with user experiences. |
So anyone else has experience with this company Entreq? |
Hi Dragon.
I am a fan of Entreq too. I have Konstantin speaker cables and interconnects, two silver Tellus and one Silver Minimus.I have found them all to be very effective in dramatically lowering the noise floor, stripping away the veils and increasing transparency and fidelity. The first time we put in a Minimus on the DCS Puccini the improvement was immediately obvious and it just kept getting better with each Entreq addition and upgrade.
On the basis of my experience I can certainly recommend that you try them. |
I have had the Entreq Silver Tellus and the upgraded Atlantis in my system (with Atlantis cables) for several weeks. IMHO, it is the real deal.
I am told it acts like its own earth ground and somehow balances the impedances across the components which are attached to it...I am no techie.
In any event, grunge continues to drop, allowing for more contrast between notes, but also a finer sense of timing due to shaving away the blurred edges...which means you suddenly get far clearer and instantly recognizeable contrapuntal themes in music where there may have been none before. That is quite cool because suddenly Hans Zimmer (Gladiator, Dark Knight, Sherlock Holmes) or Beethoven or jazz ensembles where different instruments are not just playing in synch...but actually play off of each other becomes a lot of fun to appreciate. My experience.
Note...if you choose to go this route, my experience is: Silver Tellus, then Atlantis Cable and then Atlantis Box...without the Atlantis Cables, just adding the Atlantis box is an 'okay' upgrade whereas the Atlantis cables are a very good upgrade alone, and added to the Atlantis box become a truly great upgrade. |
I was researching into The Tripoint. Dam those prices seem like this guy has put some magical potions in those special African wood boxes. what's the magical formula? Must be some nano technology with over 20 years R&D to justify that price tag. Im sure it works very well but 15000 dollars is no joke for a ground conditioner!!! |
Dragon, I concur that the prices can seem totally crazy and unjustifiable. In the UK at least, Entreq prices are c. a third of Tripoint Troy, hence easier to swallow.
I have no experience of Tripoint, but both it and Entreq are trying to address the same shortcomings in systems. All I can say to you is that the effects of Entreq grounding are beyond spectacular in my system, so much so that spending 2-3x the price of my system as is on component upgrades I don't believe would result in the same positives.
And I'm someone who's walked away from other expensive tweaks, finding more than a hint of snake oil about them. Unlike a lot of these, which spout "quantum" effects babble (was this term and "organic" ever so abused?), the principles behind grounding are rooted firmly in traditional electronics engineering and physics principles. It's just that other than Entreq and Tripoint, v. few are actually following thru on these. |
Yeh im looking into Entreq, I just purchased the Elgar 3006 Industrial AC line conditioner. Grounding tweak is next but I wont even bother researching into the Tripoint. Its crazy price for a grounding conditioner. I guess his charging those prices as not many grounding conditioners yet available on the market hence no real competition. Give it few years. High End audio is full of copy cats and someone else will come up with them at lower cost. |
D Vibe, I'm just about to install an 8kVA 85kg Westwick 8k balanced power transformer. Together with Entreq grounding, my system has been taken to a whole new level. The cost of these upgrades is equivalent to a pre amp/pow amp upgrade in the scheme of my system, but the improvements go well beyond a simple component change.
Basically, if you like what your system is doing, this is a great way to go if you want to improve things to the max. |
Greetings Gents..
The question I have is what is in that box??? Any thoughts apart from what is listed above?
I am visiting a friend tomorrow near north London who also has the Entreq, so will investigate further then, he is also a convert, and the owner of a very high end system.
With the connections by RCA, I am assuming that the GND (outer) is the only connection, i.e. the pin left bare?
My amplifiers and DAC etc, all incorporate GND LIFT switches, and GND posts. The designer is very aware of the importance of correct grounding, and designs all of his components to be used with one single reference to mains GND - recommending the pre-amp GND LIFT to remain connected, but to lift all others. Of course, the IC's between components are the link. In my own cables, and found that by using this system, increasing the csa of the return (gnd) had a beneficial effect, similar to what has been described by Spirit above. For the record, I have a dedicated feed direct to my system, PS Audio P10 for all but my ZL-200 mono power amps. I used balanced/filters etc in the past.
I believe many systems are compromised by lack of attention to the GND issue, by designers and users, and will be an area of development over the forthcoming years without doubt.
Regards,
Paul. |
Paul, I'm not privy to what's inside, but from what I can gather it is a combination of silver and copper plates and tightly packed minerals. Unsure how it all pertains to the neutral, earth and positive. The UK Entreq rep may fill you in further, email scotty-42@hotmail.com. I believe this all acts as a sink to balance impedances across those components grounded to it.
Enjoy your experience with it at your friend's place. I live in E. London, so if you'd like a second audition, feel free to contact me. |
Thank you Spirit, very kind. I was mostly trying to asses wether signal or Chassis gnd were referenced, or both, and have clarity now;-) I respect that the material is kept protected with these devices, I know I would for sure..
Best Rgds,
Paul. |
Paul, I believe Entreq works at the level of the signal ground (hence the RCA leads that insert into spare terminals), Tripoint Troy works on the chassis ground (hence the leads that screw into the component bodywork).
Please post your experiences with your friend's Entreq rig. It's a little hard to do a simple a-b dem since the effects of Entreq take some time to bed in, even when reinstalled after a short break, but hopefully you'll get a flavour of what it has to offer.
Together with 8kVA balanced power, in my system, Entreq grounding has been totally transformative. |
Msom,
What order did you end up with on your QB8? I've the following equipment - what order would yo recommend I plug it into the QB8?
- Meridian MS600 streaming endpoint (with switching power supply)
- Simaudio 650D dac/transport
- Simaudio P8 pre amp
- Simaudio W8 power amp
- 2 Nordost Qv2 units
Thanks!
Cam |
Hi Camb, please check my reply to your QB8 thread. I hadn't been around here for awhile... |
SpiritofMusic: interesting. I am a very happy balanced power user and my local dealer has been trying to pursuade me to try the entreq "earth boxes". I will have to have a go with them now. You've pushed me over the edge!
My balanced power experience was that it seemed to remove edge from the treble while at the same time increasing detail and naturalness. Bass definition also improved. It was a step closer to reality. I was surprised.
By the way. I have a spare Westwick 2kVA unit for sale. It's a long story how I ended up with two (my other one is an Equi=Tech), I'm happy to tell it if anyone is interested.
Simon C. |
Slc01 - let us know what you think. I think they are tremendous and most everyone I can think of considers them a 'I will never take them out' kind of product.
Very much looking forward to your thoughts. Good luck. |
Spiritofmusic,Lloydelee21,
I'm ready to pull the trigger I just have no idea how to place Entreq into my all analog system.
TW Turntable
Tron Syren Pre with phono stage
deHavilland Aries 845 mono amps.
I have read quite a bit with Entreq working with digital gear but nothing as positive with analog so I'm stumpt.I wouldn't want it shipped accoss the pond only for me to be disappointed and return it.
Spirit I read your post stating it worked with one cartridge but not the other.
Lloyd have you had success with analog gear ??
Thanks guys,enjoy |
Thank you Spirit.I'll be looking for your post.
Yes,you have gone very far.But this is a wonderful Hobby and if a product(s) can make your listening experience more fulfilling then "Damn The Torpedos".
My listening room is carpeted so hopefully the jaw on the floor will be cushioned
Thanks again |
Goldeneraguy,
I am not an analog guy at all...CD only. I do have a friend who uses his Tripoint Troy with his TT with great improvement. I do not know how he connects it. Perhaps to the phono stage? If I can find out anything from my dealer, I will. The good thing is just about everyone I know here who has tried this on their amp, preamp...has enjoyed it, and many seem to have kept it. So you should hopefully hear improvements even for hooking it up to the other elements of your system...the distributor here actually does not recommend hooking up as much as you can...but to do so judiciously and not over-egging it. Hope that helps. |
Thank you Lloyd.
BTW in another forum you mentioned adding mass to components.
I tried this on a Pure Power APS.It worked wonders.The added weight on the component transfered to the instruments played.
Thank you.I have been at this for over 50 years and I still am learning
Enjoy |
Goldeneraguy, re analog, this was the only area not initially impvd by earthing. My Tom Evans Groove Plus SRX phono stage/Zu Denon 103R/Transfiguration Orpheus was muddied by use of Entreq, but grounding it's replacement, the Soundsmith Straingauge, via the SG200 energiser box, has been wholly positive. YMMV, obv.
Do contact Fraser Robertson via the Kog Audio UK website, to see if he can help you further, and put you the way of their US dealer, I believe one may be being set up. |
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Goldeneraguy, a US dealer should be able to provide at the v.least a demo service/sale-or-return. I do know that Fraser set up similar sale-or-return for a client outside the UK, he's a 5 Star guy in this regard.
I'm confident you'll "get" the effects of Entreq grounding - once "heard" it can't be dismissed. |
Spiritofmusic,
I just sent an email to Fraser at KOG Audio.
I appreciate your help |
I've asked Fraser to look out for your email. If anyone can help you, he can. |
Thank you Spirit.
You have been more informative and helpful then some Manufacturers and dealers.
I just replied to Frasers email and hopefully an audition can be arranged.
Will keep you posted
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Goldeneraguy,
Great to hear! Been enjoying reading all your great posts...am gratified to help a little. Look forward to reading more. |
Golderanaguy, any help from Fraser? |
At first ,very helpfull.He suggested what I should start with and was going to check on frieght cost to the US,That was over a week ago.
BTW I read a great review by Roy Gregory but this was with digital gear.
Right now I'm at a stand still.
Thanks for your inquiry.
Enjoy |
Ok Goldeneraguy, I'll do my best to answer your qs - fire away! |
Hi Spirit,
My questions havs already been asked.These were:
If I find the product[s]do not benefit my system, are they returnable for a 100% refund and what is the freight cost shipped to my zip code
I have not received a reply.
At this point I am leaning toward waiting until a distributor is established here in the US
Thank you for trying to put this together |
I got the whole setup at home, So far I cant tell any difference in my system. Spent over 6000 dollars and kinda regretting this now. |
Dragon, that's not so good. In all things audio YMMV, grounding just like anything else. I personally don't spend big $s/£s on anything w/out home demo/sale or return guaranteed. I'd recommend Goldeneraguy to def wait for trial facilities in the US before he considers trying it at home.
What are the circumstances of your exposure to Entreq? |
12-25-13: Dragon_vibe
Grounding tweak is next but I wont even bother researching into the Tripoint. Its crazy price for a grounding conditioner. I guess his charging those prices as not many grounding conditioners yet available on the market hence no real competition. Give it few years. High End audio is full of copy cats and someone else will come up with them at lower cost. Things are not so simple are they? Yes, a Toyota is a better "value" than a Porsche, but there is truly no substitute for a Porsche. I would still recommend looking into Tripoint (assuming you can get a refund). I have heard it. Very impactful. I hope to snag one in the not too distant future. |
Lloydelee21, are you the Lloyd with both a Tripoint Troy Signature and the Entreq? If so, can you please confirm or disconfirm that the Entreq is in many ways better than the Signature. |
Tbg, I've been in quite a bit of correspondence w/Lloyd re this, and I'm sure he can answer your q. Indeed he runs both Entreq and Troy. Entreq signal grounding and Troy chassis grounding. I believe he feels they complement each other, bringing different attributes to the table. Imho, it is somewhat overkill to run both - by all means audition both, but choose one.
For everyone's info, the US Stillpoints dealer are the go-to guys for Entreq trials. |
Spiritofmusic, how does Lloyd post on What's Best in Audio? There is a Lloyd that posted some on both of these grounding devices. |
I added the Entreq (silver minimum) to my K-03 and it was like putting it on steriods. Great analogy-like when I aded my VPI recrord weight to a platter. |
11-08-14: Cerrot
I added the Entreq (silver minimum) to my K-03 and it was like putting it on steriods. Great analogy-like when I aded my VPI recrord weight to a platter. Based on Dragon_vibe's experience, sounds more like a herbal supplement to me unless something has changed. Dragon, did you figure things out? |
